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When RAGE came out, NVIDIA had working hotfix drivers for it. AMD's "hotfix" for Radeons wound up actually screwing things up; id has commented on this. And even then, the issue has been fixed.

They even patched the PC version with more graphics options. AND they're going to release ANOTHER patch with improved detail textures. They've made the best of a bad situation and honestly this isn't any worse than most PC releases are these days.

As for id, realistically they've never been great game designers, not since Doom and Doom II (Quake may have had fine DM, but the single player was dire). But their technology has generally been stellar; in many ways RAGE is impressive and in others it's a massive misstep, but there's nothing else on the market that looks like it.

Getting upset about companies going console first...I don't know what to tell you. You can sit here and piss and moan about it, but it's not going to change the fact that THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS. Piracy be damned, the fact is the consoles are the game industry's bread and butter. You guys wanted id Tech 5 to be the Destroyer of PCs, but I guarantee you'd just piss and moan the way you did when Crysis came out and it turned your heretofore monster PC into a slideshow.

There is no satisfying any of you, I swear. No PC launch is perfect anymore, and frankly very few console launches are either (now that they can just release their beta and patch it after the fact).
 
Saw a friend of mine playing rage on steam the other day, so I asked if he liked it.
His reply was, that he couldn't tell yet, cause he'd spent serveral hours trying to make it run ... but he could suggest me to never ever buy it.
 
[citation][nom]toxin440[/nom] I mean if you buy a car get home and find someone took a dump in the glove box you'd probably be pretty pissed.[/citation]

So you're the one who bought my car, eh? I always had a soft spot in my heart for that "new car smell."
 
I really wonder how many of these cases of the game not running right were due to people not updating their drivers like they were supposed to. All I kept reading from the first day was "i got it running with this fix, no need to update drivers" and crap like that. It didn't run for me on my 6950 either. Updated with the first "broken" ATI release and it ran just fine after that.

The main problem with this game is the with the game itself. After games like the DIRT series we are a little past Mario-Cart style physics in the driving department.

The shooter part was fine but after playing something like Deus Ex HR it feels like Rage ended at what should have been the halfway point. There was also no fleshing out of the story ... you get like 3 pieces of information to explain what is going on in the main story and the rest is just side-missions.
 
so what i mean to ask everyone is: does anyone think the grahics are so great? his characters fail in every aspect. They just cannot get that right. You would think id could do character modelling better. If it crashes then, at least we would have gotten some eye candy first.
 
[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom]Speaking of overt self-righteousness...[/citation]

I disagree, that's not being a hypocrite. That's being smart. He wanted to know if the game was worth buying for his system or not.
 
Aside from glitches/bugs I like the game. Not worth $60 though, graphic details is 4-5 years ago at least. But I've seen this song and dance before, probably take 4+ months to make it work right, but then, nobody will care anymore.
 
The title of this article should be AMD/ATI drivers have some wondering about the future of this company. They write pile of crap drivers which is becoming serious problem. The problem is that they are so late in the game before they get it right that it doesn't matter cause people already played and beat game. I hope Toms Hardware changes their benchamarks and actually use latest game and see how badly are things with that company. I don't want to mention Crossfire which is crappola. When it works it works but for the most part good luck with it.
 
All this talk of piracy is BS... you can pirate on consoles, too, ya know. And from what I hear, it's pretty damn easy.

[citation][nom]lradunovic77[/nom]The title of this article should be AMD/ATI drivers have some wondering about the future of this company. They write pile of crap drivers which is becoming serious problem. The problem is that they are so late in the game before they get it right that it doesn't matter cause people already played and beat game. I hope Toms Hardware changes their benchamarks and actually use latest game and see how badly are things with that company. I don't want to mention Crossfire which is crappola. When it works it works but for the most part good luck with it.[/citation]

Troll. Get out of here... there're no problems with AMD cards nowadays.

Here's my take on RAGE: I watched some videos of it. Freakin' boring. Waiting for BF3/Skyrim/ME3 instead.
 
I dunno about you guys, but I updated my drivers and Rage works perfectly. Game is alright though, nothing to lose your mind over 😛

MSI 460 GTX Hawk Talon Attack (Latest Drivers)
 
The tearing is too bad to bother playing even on a 560 ti....vsync on or off forced or not forced, that was the deal breaker for me.
 
John Carmack(ID Lead Dev) said that he will never make a game like he did with RAGE. He said from now on PC will be coming first. He realized his mistake when it was too late and he paid the price for it.

It's better that a developer realizes what he did wrong instead of ignoring the PC platform all together just because it worked fine on consoles.
 
[citation][nom]vaguedreams[/nom]If every single person, that could run this game with 8k textures at 120 fps, with 16x af, and 4x aa, bought this game and paid full price for it, then it would still be a commercial failure.You have to come to terms that you are the 1%, and that these games are made in hopes of selling to the 99%.[/citation]

Have you ever heard of Crysis? Huge success for everyone except your GPU.
 
[citation][nom]pocketdrummer[/nom]Honestly, this whole "PC games are dying because of Piracy" thing needs to stop. And since people won't stop pirating, we may as well bring the trend over to the consoles so they can shut the hell up.I don't condone piracy, but I loath console elitists.Personally, I can care less about Rage. I have my sights set on BF3 and Dead Island. BF3 has been pre-ordered (and pre-installed ), but I ran out of funds for Dead Island... boo.[/citation]

Skip Dead Island till the next patch fix. The game still has the overwrite bug. It makes you lose your saved games when creating a new game or joining multiplayer. Nothing more frustrating than losing a level 40 because a new game overwrites it.
 
Had graphic problems initially...games runs perfectly at 60fps with driver updates...many gamers are crybabies and like to make noise. Many are playing on what they THINK are gaming rigs but are not willing to find solutions and should stick to consoles!
 
[citation][nom]house70[/nom]I am not buying anything from iD anymore. Screw Carmack and his console-first mindset.[/citation]
I second that, although I will get RAGE when it hits the bargain bin.
 
If you check on Matt Hooper's twitter, he confirmed that the rumor is not true, and that they are in fact still working on Doom and Rage currently, plus are even hiring more talent
 
@amk-aka-phantom

You are right... there is nothing wrong with AMD cards, but the drivers are unquestionably broken as far as OpenGL games are concerned (like Rage). They simply don't keep them as up to date or stable as Nvidia does.

I have been working on a project for years on an Nvidia card using OpenGL, and have it running perfectly. I recently switched to AMD and found it ran like an absolute mess. To be brief, there are standard functions they simply do not support, or are present but utterly broken.

I had to create numerous work-arounds in my code that are AMD specific... this is not the desired situation when using an industry standard API. To this day there are still some issues that I can't resolve until AMD fixes the drivers. It's forced us to actually target AMD, knowing that it will definately work on Nvidia any way.

On the DirectX front though I would say they are dead even.
 
[citation][nom]stingray71[/nom]Aside from glitches/bugs I like the game. Not worth $60 though, graphic details is 4-5 years ago at least. But I've seen this song and dance before, probably take 4+ months to make it work right, but then, nobody will care anymore.[/citation]
4/5 years old graphics: Crysis
 
when I heard that Rage was going to be something of a mix of Doom3 and Borderlands, I thought it sounded neat; something to waste a weekend on one day.

Then Carmack opened his mouth and I lost all confidence in the game. It sounded boring and watered down due to console support. Then the trailers hit, which just confirmed it for me. No need to wait for a release and the pending reviews.

Where is the real innovation? It's borderlands with bugs. And to release a game that is a slap in the face to your core fan base, the PC market, is such a disappointment.

I ***loved*** Doom and Quake, but that was nearly 20 years ago now; what happened since?

Yes, this was just a rant. Sorry.

 
@amk-aka-phantom

You are right... there is nothing wrong with AMD cards, but the drivers are unquestionably broken as far as OpenGL games are concerned (like Rage). They simply don't keep them as up to date or stable as Nvidia does.

I have been working on a project for years on an Nvidia card using OpenGL, and have it running perfectly. I recently switched to AMD and found it ran like an absolute mess. To be brief, there are standard functions they simply do not support, or are present but utterly broken.

I had to create numerous work-arounds in my code that are AMD specific... this is not the desired situation when using an industry standard API. To this day there are still some issues that I can't resolve until AMD fixes the drivers. It's forced us to actually target AMD, knowing that it will definately work on Nvidia any way.

On the DirectX front though I would say they are dead even.
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I know that nVidia is better with OpenGL than AMD, that's mentioned in Wikipedia somewhere, but... why the hell does RAGE use OpenGL?! I thought nobody makes OpenGL-based games anymore! :heink:
 
[citation][nom]amk-aka-Phantom[/nom]I know that nVidia is better with OpenGL than AMD, that's mentioned in Wikipedia somewhere, but... why the hell does RAGE use OpenGL?! I thought nobody makes OpenGL-based games anymore![/citation]
If done right OpenGL is makes a very nice stable platform (Doom3) but Carmack's Tech 5 was too concerned with Kiddie Consoles and now they are paying the price. OpenGL is making a comeback and the monopoly MS has with Direct X is not going to continue, thanks to Apple.
 
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