RAM - FSB problems

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The Via PT880 Pro isn't an Intel chipset.
Still I'd find it extremely odd if it really was 533 MHz DDR, instead of 266 MHz QDR to/from the CPU / MCH.

Still SiSoft SANDRA and CPU-Z are far more industry accepted.

VIA Chipset link: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/p4-series/pt880_ultra/
 
Sorry this is late...I'm preparing for final exams.

Yeah, my memory is in dual channel so I think that's why everest says fsb is 533 (266 x 2) mhz.

Cpu-z gives me some silly error about an problem loading driver, so it doesn't give me all the info:


http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpuzzt7.jpg

I just ordered dual-kit ddrII 667 ram by ocz.

I'll post the results when i put them in.

Yeah, so does anyone know why I would get that cpu-z error.

And like could someone give me a link to sisosft sandra that works; all the ones I use end up corrupted =(

Thanks!
 
Well, FWIW to me everything looks correct.

CPU-Z says you have an E6300 running at the stock FSB of 266 MHz. Your DRAM is DDR-400 running at its correct clock speed of 200 MHz. You can't run with a FSB😀RAM ratio of 1:1 using DDR-400 unless you overclock the DRAM ... which is something I'm not sure you want to do, especially with an ASROCK VSTA 775 motherboard. (Actually, I don't even know if it is possible to run 1:1 with DDR-400 with an ASROCK VSTA 775 motherboard. Not sure the BIOS provides that much flexibility).

-john
 
Ooookay...so my RAM is now OCZ S.O.E 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit.

The ratings are 4-4-4-12.

Now, I dunno wassup, but I thought dual channel was created so that RAM speed could run at the FSB speed for CPU and RAM to talk without one having to wait for the other, or something to that effect.

When I saw the E6300 CPU with 1066 MHz FSB, I said "sweet, so I'll just get RAM that can run at 533 MHz, but in dual channel, so the RAM runs effectively at 1066 MHz (533 x 2) and everything will be merry".

However, cpu-z says memory frequency is 266 MHz, BUS speed is 266 MHz, while FSB is 1066 MHz...what’s the difference between BUS and FSB (beside the obvious speed discrepancy)?

cpu-z info link:

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpuzddr2qw2.jpg

You guys are being great help!

Thanks a lot.
 
cpu-z says memory frequency is 266 MHz, BUS speed is 266 MHz, while FSB is 1066 MHz...what’s the difference between BUS and FSB (beside the obvious speed discrepancy)?
It sure is hard to tell sometimes, I'll give you that. Whoever came up with the current naming scheme used to describe the parts connected to the processor bus seems to have wanted to maximize total confusion. (Ah, marketing!)

The one important speed to keep in mind, the one which determines what all the other clock speeds turn out to be, is what I'll refer to as the system clock speed. In the case of a Core 2 CPU running at stock, this is 266MHz. This is the speed that is multiplied by the "multiplier" of the processor to get the actual speed the processor runs at. In the case of an E6300, the multiplier is 7 so the CPU runs at 7*266 = 1,862 MHz or 1.86GHz.

Now I frequently also refer to this "system clock speed" as the "FSB". I probably shouldn't but I do simply because the two are so tightly coupled. The actual or effective speed of the FSB is simply 4 times the "system clock". In this example that is 4*266 or 1,366MHz effective speed. Why four times the system clock? The FSB is "quad-pumped" which appears to mean that 4 units of data are actually transfered on the FSB for each tick of the system clock.

How is this "quad-pumping" done? I have no idea. Is it related/coupled to dual channel memory? Seems likely, but again I really do not know how it works. All I know is that the effective FSB speed is 4 times the system clock speed. However this does seem to dove-tail really nicely with both dual channel memory and DDR DRAM supplying 2 units of data per clock tick. 2 (DDR) * 2 (dual channel) = 4 (quad-pumped).

And then there is your DRAM. The timings there work out as you outlined them. CPU-Z shows the base clock speed, not the effective speed for your DDR memory. You have to multiply this value by 2 to get the DDR2 rating. For example, 2*266 implies DDR2-533.

Depending on the motherboard and BIOS, it is possible to run your memory at a different clock speed than the FSB/system clock is run at. Usually you'll be advised to not do this because running the FSB and DRAM at the same speed (a FSB😀RAM ratio of 1:1) usually gives you the best throughput.

But as an example, in your case your RAM is DDR2-667 so it can run at a base clock speed of 333MHz. If your BIOS allows it, you could leave the system clock at 266 but run the memory at 333. If you did this the FSB😀RAM ratio would be 4:5 (I think ... :? Understanding the concept and getting the arithmetic right are two separate issues for me).

Now why not run your RAM at it's fastest speed? Because this will only increase the performance of your system if the RAM speed is your only bottleneck. Usually it isn't, the FSB is. So often instead of running their system clock at "stock" and running their RAM at a higher speed people will instead overclock. If you up your system clock to 333 and maintain a FSB to DRAM ratio of 1:1 your memory will run at it's full rated speed. But you will also get a much larger performance increase from running your CPU at 7*333 = 2,331MHz or 2.3 GHz.

I seem to have run off at the mouth on this reply. Hope what I've said helps some. If it doesn't, just ignore it. :wink: Someone else will probably explain it better. This stuff is constantly being rehashed on these boards. Like I said, it is almost as though it was designed to confuse people.

-john
 
Omgosh! Thanks for clearing that up.

I've tried to run the fsb to 333mhz as you explained, to the see performance boost, however, the system wouldn't post...and I'm not about to mess around with voltages and stuff.

So, I've accepted the 1:1 ratio as ideal.

Thanks again =D
 
Your ASROCK VSTA 775 motherboard is known to not overclock much, if at all. So the fact you couldn't boot at 333 is not surprising. But at least it sounds like you're working well at 266 now.

-john
 
if i was to get that MB and use my 2 gigs of ddr1(2x1gig ram)how much can i overclock the E6300 or even the e6400??
I actually do not know, of course, but I think I recall people posting that they were able to get the FSB to 300MHz, but not higher. For an E6300 this would be 7*300 or 2.1GHz and for an E6400 this would be 8*300 or 2.4GHz.

The ASRock VSTA 775 motherboard is sort of a "dancing elephant". The wondrous thing about a dancing elephant is that it can dance it all. Trying to get it to tap dance is just cruel and unreasonable. :wink:

Likewise the fact that the ASRock VSTA 775 works at all should be enough for you. It's not an overclocker. A quick look at the BIOS would convince you of this. Where other motherboards might allow you to specify a voltage as a decimal value, the ASRock VSTA 775 offers selections of "Low", "Normal", and "High". :?

-john, the redundant, legacy dinosaur
 
if i was to get that MB and use my 2 gigs of ddr1(2x1gig ram)how much can i overclock the E6300 or even the e6400??
I actually do not know, of course, but I think I recall people posting that they were able to get the FSB to 300MHz, but not higher. For an E6300 this would be 7*300 or 2.1GHz and for an E6400 this would be 8*300 or 2.4GHz.

The ASRock VSTA 775 motherboard is sort of a "dancing elephant". The wondrous thing about a dancing elephant is that it can dance it all. Trying to get it to tap dance is just cruel and unreasonable. :wink:

Likewise the fact that the ASRock VSTA 775 works at all should be enough for you. It's not an overclocker. A quick look at the BIOS would convince you of this. Where other motherboards might allow you to specify a voltage as a decimal value, the ASRock VSTA 775 offers selections of "Low", "Normal", and "High". :?

-john, the redundant, legacy dinosaur
thank you for your response. wich motherbord is a better overclocker and allows me to use my ddr1??
 
thank you for your response. which motherboard is a better overclocker and allows me to use my ddr1??
Once again, I honestly don't know the answer to this question. My guess is that there are not a lot of motherboards out there that will support DDR and a Core 2 processor. I think Intel really intended to pair the Core 2 with DDR2 DRAM. So if you want a motherboard you can overclock I think you should look at the newer, DDR2 motherboards. If you want to continue to use your DDR DRAM and move to a Core 2 processor you should probably expect to run no faster than a tad above the stock FSB speed of 266MHz.

Just an opinion/speculation, not claiming it's fact. But it's all I've got. 🙁
-john, the redundant, legacy dinosaur