Rambus Wins Brutal Patent Fight Against Nvidia

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It is always sad to read these message boards. So much ignorance and so much naive rage. Professors Farmwald and Horowitz INVENTED the technologies that were later ripped off to make DDR and DDR2. They were emobodied in Rambus RDRam, but the memory manufacturers formed an illegal price fixing cartel and artificially boosted the price of RDRam while keeping DDR low. Why do you think Samsung settled with RMBS? They were about to get their heads when the anti trust trial started last year.

Oh, by the way, that JEDEC nonsense has been PROVEN in COURT to be a lie. All the memory manufactures knew about rambuses inventions (Rambus had signed NDAs with all of them, so they were well aware of the tech). The cartel stopped RMBS from presenting their tech to JEDEC as a standard and decided to put it into DDR/DDR2 without paying the inventor.

Imagine if you had invented the *next big thing* and presented to a large company. Imagine that the company realized it was great and they wanted to avoid paying you? What is the first thing they would do? They would smear your name up and down, seed the press with articles calling you a patent troll, and worse, try to litigate you to death.

Most folks don't remember that it was not Rambus that sued first. It was a cordinated effort of Hynix and Micron who both sued in different venues in a system that let them delay as much as possible. It worked. Only now, after eleven years in court are the cases coming to trial.

Rambus is a good solid innovative American company. They have over a thousand patents. More PhDs than you can shake a stick at. They deserve to be paid for their inventions just as much as any musician deserves to be paid for their music.
 
It is always sad to read these message boards. So much ignorance and so much naive rage. Professors Farmwald and Horowitz INVENTED the technologies that were later ripped off to make DDR and DDR2. They were emobodied in Rambus RDRam, but the memory manufacturers formed an illegal price fixing cartel and artificially boosted the price of RDRam while keeping DDR low. Why do you think Samsung settled with RMBS? They were about to get their heads when the anti trust trial started last year.

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Rambus is a good solid innovative American company. They have over a thousand patents. More PhDs than you can shake a stick at. They deserve to be paid for their inventions just as much as any musician deserves to be paid for their music.

I don't think we would have minded so much if the worked on a BETTER product rather than resorting to lawsuits. If they spent time working on better, efficient memory handling techniques they would be the market leaders and people would be using their product. Instead they cried like a little kid that had their lollipop taken away.

Its a typical solid American company for sure. 95% lawyers, 3% finance, 1% CEOs, 1% Technical.
 
[citation][nom]Roger Roger[/nom]It is always sad to read these message boards. So much ignorance and so much naive rage. Professors Farmwald and Horowitz INVENTED the technologies that were later ripped off to make DDR and DDR2. They were emobodied in Rambus RDRam, but the memory manufacturers formed an illegal price fixing cartel and artificially boosted the price of RDRam while keeping DDR low. Why do you think Samsung settled with RMBS? They were about to get their heads when the anti trust trial started last year.Oh, by the way, that JEDEC nonsense has been PROVEN in COURT to be a lie. All the memory manufactures knew about rambuses inventions (Rambus had signed NDAs with all of them, so they were well aware of the tech). The cartel stopped RMBS from presenting their tech to JEDEC as a standard and decided to put it into DDR/DDR2 without paying the inventor.Imagine if you had invented the *next big thing* and presented to a large company. Imagine that the company realized it was great and they wanted to avoid paying you? What is the first thing they would do? They would smear your name up and down, seed the press with articles calling you a patent troll, and worse, try to litigate you to death.Most folks don't remember that it was not Rambus that sued first. It was a cordinated effort of Hynix and Micron who both sued in different venues in a system that let them delay as much as possible. It worked. Only now, after eleven years in court are the cases coming to trial.Rambus is a good solid innovative American company. They have over a thousand patents. More PhDs than you can shake a stick at. They deserve to be paid for their inventions just as much as any musician deserves to be paid for their music.[/citation]

I'm not anti-Rambus like most of the people here, as I've made well into six figures on their stock (which is probably the only one I've ever been able to successfully time), but you're full of crap. That's always the case when someone goes all one way or the other, and while most are too anti-RMBS, you are too pro. A lot too much.

RMBS started the lawsuits. They also were working on patents for underlying technology being used for SDRAM while it was being created. Not illegal, but not really cool.

Many of the lawsuits RMBS survived were because of the burden of proof, or the evidence used was from a case that was closed, not because they were clean.

With or without RMBS, SDRAM and DDR would have been made. None of their patents were so pivotal technologies that made these possible. But, once the standards were set, and RMBS started suing companies, they couldn't easily go back and work around them.

There were repeated times that RMBS was shown to have acted in bad faith, most recently when they lost to Micron, where it was described as "clear and convincing".

The truth is in the middle, as is almost always the case. RMBS is not worthless, and RDRAM was pretty good memory for a platform that could use it (P4), and XDR is useful in certain situations as well. But, your claims are just as far fetched. RMBS has been dirty, and underhanded, and not the bastion of invention and decency you're trying to say. If they were, why are their so many rulings on them acting in "bad faith"?

Again, I love the company as they relate to me. I don't think I've ever lost money on their stock (or ever made any money on anyone else's), and I laugh so hard at the disgust they elicit in people. Some is exaggerated, but some is deserved. A lot.

But, at the same time, let's not forget that the memory companies are vile dogs too. RMBS tries to squeeze money from the makers, sure enough, but the makers directly cheated the consumer with price fixing. Let's face it, human nature sucks.
 
[citation][nom]danlw[/nom]96% revenue from patent licensing royalties? Definitely a patent warehouse and not much of anything else. They earn a spot on my list of most disliked companies, along with Monster Cable, Bose, Comcast, and Apple.[/citation]


Hehehehe Monster Cable I hate those guys with a passion. At future shop they had so muchb monster cable in the back wharehouse, we had to hide it, as there was too much for the store to handle (maybe to make it look like it was selling?). Anyways they kept sending the store this scrap ever though there was not enough room, just bebause the head guy made an agreement with Monster Cable that they plan on selling x amount of cables ($$$ millions) in the new few years.

I hate that stuff. $20 cables are fine from other brands.
 
What I hate about Rambus, is if the patent they have is only for a small piece of the pizzle for ram, they want so much money for it. Technology is the sum of all its components, and little bit for china labour. Could you imagine if rambus owned all of hte ram patents? ram would be like $1000 per stick.

Something that is a small peice of the puzzle should be values at that, and not as something worth millions.
 
Bottom line...Rambus broke the memory bottle neck with their memory innovations when nobody else could, but they screwed up big time trying to be greedy on monetizing their inventions. If they had just settled cheap to start with, they long ago could have made up in volume, what they have lost in legal costs and ill-will. Unfortunately once they went down the legal road they had to be committed. So here we are 12 years later still fighting 9but so far every court case that has come to closure in their favor(FTC, EU, Hymix-3x, ITC). I am no expert but i would say that at this point they won't disappear, but they are surely not a "patent troll" in the true sense (interestingly enough that could more acturately be leveled at the recent Micron spinoff).
Lastly, the company is more like 95% engineers than 95% lawyers, although the headlines don't indicate such.
 
Absolute scum, they attend the JEDEC meetings, steal all the ideas that were supposed to be open-standards, patent and then sue everyone else.

I hate Rambus, they have turned patent trolling into a business model.
 
"Absolute scum, they attend the JEDEC meetings, steal all the ideas that were supposed to be open-standards, patent and then sue everyone else.

I hate Rambus, they have turned patent trolling into a business model."

Were you there when JEDEC did not allow them to make a presentation? 1st and only time JEDEC ever took that track.

Books will be written about this saga. How a small US company w/ 400 engineers invented and patented the foundational ideas and methods to increase memory speed and efficiency 100x.

And how Micron's CEO led a Price Fixing and court busting conspiracy to drive Rambus out of business so the industry could steal their work.

Patent troll? How about the US inventor of modern memory being mugged by USA's Micron and company's from Korea and Germany (Samsung, Hynix, Infineon,...? The ITC and soon, the CAFC will clear Rambus' name from the likes of you and the rest of the ignorant hacks on this board.
 
[citation][nom]pk22901[/nom]"Absolute scum, they attend the JEDEC meetings, steal all the ideas that were supposed to be open-standards, patent and then sue everyone else.I hate Rambus, they have turned patent trolling into a business model."Were you there when JEDEC did not allow them to make a presentation? 1st and only time JEDEC ever took that track.Books will be written about this saga. How a small US company w/ 400 engineers invented and patented the foundational ideas and methods to increase memory speed and efficiency 100x.And how Micron's CEO led a Price Fixing and court busting conspiracy to drive Rambus out of business so the industry could steal their work. Patent troll? How about the US inventor of modern memory being mugged by USA's Micron and company's from Korea and Germany (Samsung, Hynix, Infineon,...? The ITC and soon, the CAFC will clear Rambus' name from the likes of you and the rest of the ignorant hacks on this board.[/citation]
From the wikipedia entry
In the early 1990s, Rambus was invited to join the JEDEC. Rambus had been trying to interest memory manufacturers in licensing their proprietary memory interface, and numerous companies had signed non-disclosure agreements to view Rambus' technical data. During the later Infineon v. Rambus trial, Infineon memos from a meeting with representatives of other manufacturers surfaced, including the line “[O]ne day all computers will be built this way, but hopefully without the royalties going to Rambus”, and continuing with a strategy discussion for reducing or eliminating royalties to be paid to Rambus. As Rambus continued its participation in JEDEC, it became apparent that they were not prepared to agree to JEDEC’s patent policy requiring owners of patents included in a standard to agree to license that technology under terms that are ‘reasonable and non-discriminatory’,[3] and Rambus withdrew from the organization in 1995. Memos from Rambus at that time showed they were tailoring new patent applications to cover features of SDRAM being discussed, which were public knowledge (JEDEC meetings were not considered secret) and perfectly legal for patent owners who have patented underlying innovations, but were seen as evidence of bad faith by the jury in the first Infineon v. Rambus trial. The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC) rejected this theory of bad faith in its decision overturning the fraud conviction Infineon achieved in the first trial
So to interpret,
1) Asked to join an organisation where ideas were pooled but no single company had exclusive patents, for, y'know, the good of the public.
2) The walked out as they disagreed.
3) They took ideas that were discussed then patented them.
4) They were found guilty of fraud.
5) They appealed and the fraud conviction overturned.

I suppose that since the contects of the JEDEC meeting worked on the honour system rather than legally binding contracts it was always going to lead to something like this. In an ideal world the greatest minds should be able to together, brainstorm and come up with ideas that really change things. Due to Rambus's act of bad faith this is now unlikely to happen, as people are now more suspicious, insular and this will hold back progress.
 
[citation][nom]tethoma[/nom]Every old tech geek knows that Rambus was proprietary memory that costs twice as much as equivalent memory, and it was abolished from ALL PC's by 2003. Who the hell is Rambus now?[/citation]
A technology/patent-holding law firm.

I'd love to see no other company burn more than the stifling Rambus.
 
Books will be written about this saga. How a small US company w/ 400 engineers invented and patented the foundational ideas and methods to increase memory speed and efficiency 100x.
400 engineers? Small company? The average wage of an electronics engineer is 60K. $24 000 000 in salary each year is hardly a small company. But, I'm off topic. You may have a grudge with other companies for monopoly, price fixing or whatever dirty business tactics they use, but it won't "clear the name" of Rambus for their patent trolling.
 
If Nvidia stole your patents, how would you make them stop? I'm surprised at the amount of people that are ok with thievery. Just another sign that people no longer have morals or a sense of decency.
 
Wow! My first visit to this board and what an incredible amount of total ignorance of facts, laws, events show in most of these posts. Rambus from the first was & still is an "intellectual product" company. They invent, patient, and license the use of their patents to other companies -- an extremely common practice throughout all our industries. When I first invested in Rambus, it had about 180 employees, of whom abut 120 were IE and computer specialists under the guidance of two distinguished professors of electrical engineering/computer engineering (right labels?). After several years of hard work and lot of money, they obtained some basic patents which was licensed with one of the game makers (sorry, I'm not a gamer, and don't remember which one). Soon Sony took license and used Rambus technology in two or three generations of its play stations. Other companies which took license and in honorable fashion paid royalties (which actually are lower than Texas Instruments for example charge) include Intel, IBM, Samsung, etc. Don't you think those large companies investigated closely the patients of Rambus, found them valid and very valuable for their products.

What is the basis for posters here to say that Rambus inventions have no value which these big boys are paying to use it. And every gamer who uses PS 3 uses the speed or Rambus technology.

All that stuff about bad faith is overstated; I believe there was one mild comment in appeals court ruling that overturned the Richmond court's decisions. And after longest hearings in history, the FTC political appointee commissioners findings against Rambus was overturned by appeals court in no uncertain language. No court found Rambus guilty of violating any laws!

However, the chip makers were investigated by Dept. of Justice, re price fixing of RDRAM and competing products, with four companies (including Samsung) pleading guilty and paying fines of over $700 million, and about 18 executives of those companies going to FEDERAL PRISON. And people here rave about Rambus' bad faith. How about some balance here? You don't know even 1% of the facts and events over last 15 years.

A small innovative American company located in California using American engineers and scientists who invent things being used by major high tech company being robbed by foreign (and one American) companies that don't want to pay reasonable royalties for using Rambus inventions - royalties paid by American companies such as IBM and Intel and some Japanese companies such as Sony. I'd think Americans would try to get some of the facts before being against an American company and in support of foreign companies. What am I missing?
 
[citation][nom]maxsp33d[/nom]This should be the right quote "The ITC's decision is another demonstration of the value of our continued commitment to STOP innovation".[/citation]
Nah they don't wanna stop innovation, well as long as those innovative companies continue to pay them for the words on paper they have.
 
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