Report: AMD Says Intel is in Breach

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MrBradley

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I think they should just basically drop this and just move on.

Even if Intel gets its x86-64 license revoked, its testing new optical processors which will kick the hell out of modern day CPU's.
 
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x86 is so wide-spread that even if it went to court, AMD would win, it's almost the same as the "Netbook" situation.

On the other hand, the newer technologies that AMD owns and licenses to Intel would hurt them far more.
 

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[citation][nom]wikiwikiwhat[/nom]Hope you win Intel, long live the empire.[/citation]
Really? Must you be a part of the dark side? :)
 

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[citation][nom]MrBradley[/nom]I think they should just basically drop this and just move on.Even if Intel gets its x86-64 license revoked, its testing new optical processors which will kick the hell out of modern day CPU's.[/citation]
Yes, but you have no idea if they use the x86 instruction set. Which is more than likely.
 

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I for one can't wait for my single core, 32bit processor that requires an external memory controller to come from Intel. Oh wait, that is called the Atom... So if AMD losses and Intel losses does that mean everyone is limited to Netbooks...? ;)
 

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[citation][nom]dfusco[/nom]AMD needs to go under. The price of an entry level CPU needs to be at least $2500 for the DIY crowd but sold to Dell for $800.00. Catering to a small number of enthusiats is not economical and let's face overclocking is unethical. Everyone should own a Dell.[/citation]

I'm not sure if you're sarcastic or not...
 

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Some people do seem to be turning it into a fanboy war...

Regardless of whether or not AMD breached the agreement, Intel needs AMD and AMD needs Intel, and we all need them both. The only logical option with a shure-fire chance of having a good outcome is AMD winning this.

In which case, I hope it does.
 
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Easy come out with an open standard for processor instructions. Linux/Microsoft forced to recompile for said standard. Any vendor can then developer hardware for said standards. US Patents are the real problem :(
 

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Could take a while to develop an open standard for processor isntructions, let alone design, test, and fabricate processors based on them. X86 would have to be emulated, too, or else 99% of all programs won't work. Both of these cause massive issues, including slowing technology's progress and probably losing large amounts of performance, but bring the possibility of others entering what is now a very closed market (x86).
 

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[citation][nom]Timbo70[/nom]Easy come out with an open standard for processor instructions. Linux/Microsoft forced to recompile for said standard. Any vendor can then developer hardware for said standards. US Patents are the real problem[/citation]

Here is your quote of the day. An industry standard instruction set would open the flood gates of innovation. Intel is keeping companies out of the processor market with its long aged patent rights. We the consumers are in a losing situation.
 

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All I can say is if this cross licence agreement falls through then we're in for some interesting times for CPUs. Not sure if people appreciate the effect this has on AMD because they will have to re-engineer a brand new cpu instruction set. It took Intel about 10 years of work on IA-64 and it still flopped big time and god knows how long x86 took. So if AMD loses x86 and doesn't have something up their sleeve they will be out for the count. Intel wont be unaffected either as all their 64bit instructions are licenced from AMD and you can bet an Itanium based core i7 wont be as good as the one we have now.
 

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This is ridiculus. Intel is just pressuring AMD in hopes that AMD will drop their anti-trust lawsuit against them as a settlement. I'm not sure many people remember this but Intel lost a 10 billion dollar lawsuit to Digital Equipment Coropration back in the 90's for illegally copying parts of the Alpha processor. Imagine how much AMD would win today if successful with their lawsuit.
 
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I full agree with the open standard proposal. Intel is hiding behind a two decades design, and is destroying healthy competition from VIA or NVidia.

As for Intels roars, I think Microsoft managed to screw Intel for good, by adopting so fast AMD's 64bit technology in their 64bit version of Windows (and not the Itanium stupid design). Nice work Bill!
 

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[citation][nom]kato128[/nom]All I can say is if this cross licence agreement falls through then we're in for some interesting times for CPUs. Not sure if people appreciate the effect this has on AMD because they will have to re-engineer a brand new cpu instruction set. It took Intel about 10 years of work on IA-64 and it still flopped big time and god knows how long x86 took. So if AMD loses x86 and doesn't have something up their sleeve they will be out for the count. Intel wont be unaffected either as all their 64bit instructions are licenced from AMD and you can bet an Itanium based core i7 wont be as good as the one we have now.[/citation]

If Intel and AMD keeps going down this path of mutual self destruction, we as consumers will be the one that gets screwed. Personally, if it were to go into litigation, i hope AMD wins it.
 

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dfusco :
AMD needs to go under. The price of an entry level CPU needs to be at least $2500 for the DIY crowd but sold to Dell for $800.00. Catering to a small number of enthusiats is not economical and let's face overclocking is unethical. Everyone should own a Dell.


This is funny!!!!!!! Good one!!!
 
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I fear AMD will be on the losing hand here.
It would be sad to see that yet another legal costfor them could drive them again deeper into obscurity.
I wish they would win,for that would mean serious competition for Intel!

Or perhaps it would mean a different, more modern type of processor structure could be build.
The x86 structure is pretty old. Perhaps if looked deeper upon, it could be improved and resulting in another processor structure perhaps much more efficient for current os'es.

Perhaps even then MS will creat compatibility for x86 and the new standard. But seeing how much work it was creating this x86 standard, it would take another Einstein or bill gates to create a different processor structure.

It seems pretty hard to believe how AMD needs to pay Intel royalties, and still manages to create processors with a lower pricetag than Intel!
 

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ohh, if AMD goes down, we will stuck with single core 32 bit processors with a max of 4gb?
wich means 99% of all intel processors from the Pentium4D till corei7, and half xeons will go down.Cool, it means my phenome processor will have a 20000$ price, because it will be one of the rare 64bit quad core processors sold on ebay.
What i really think, its a verry bad move from intel, its killing the technologies.
I think that the only move that will kick Intel ass, is that IBM buys AMD, then, all this shit will be out of question. Giving, Amd a better image, using thire technologie for better purposes.
Do you remember the phrase: IBM compatible?????
I think we will see that again.
Go AMD, you are the most inovative, Intels money can desapear in seconds.
I will stick on AMD processors, and hope for a new comer wich will be: IBM/AMD/ATI all together in a single company.
Let us dont forget Nvidia, that is going to produce processors as well, and already we have VIA, and SUN.

 

faresdani

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or we can see , intel producing only 32bit processors with single core.
and amd only producing 64 bit, with multicore.
 

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haha , then intel can't produce the CPU with x64 , multicore , intergrated memory controler and hypertransport no more , that mean the core i7 will be an 32bit single core without intergate memory controler and quickpath , see who is going to buy this crap XD
 

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I love both companies for the varies cpus they have produced over the years. So i'm not a fanboy in either dept. I do think that a huge company like intel, that's had no (upper-end-cpu) competition in 3 years should back down and just be happy with what they have.

They are just being greedy. AMD has been in dept for along time, and they are doing there best to fight the good fight and bounce back. both in the minds of enthusiasts, and financially.

I currently have a Q9550 intel processor. I picked it because intel cpu's for the moment, are unmatched by AMD.

But if intel goes after AMD for this very petty, (oh know, they are making more money now) garbage, I will side with AMD and I will root for them.

Intel needs to just fight fairly, stop being petty, and just focus on making good cpus for everyone. Leave AMD alone!
 

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If AMD Wins:
-That would open the gates for other companies to develope there own x86 processors.
-We the consumers will be able to get better pricing and technology.
-Intel can will get the taste smacked out of it's mouth and finally wake up and start realizing that they are not above the law.

If Intel Wins
-It will be the beginning of the end for all of us.
-All Intel processors from now on will be $400 (at least).
-There will be no further technological advances in the processor world.
 

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i want to see nVidia come in the game too , and VIA CPU will become more powerfull , so we got more choice , all the price will be fair , the technology will be advance more and more faster than now .
 
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