Report: Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti to launch on October 9

[rockstar_7]

lol @650Ti

 

[zooted]

[citation][nom]Novuake[/nom]Nvidia was never very concentrated on the mid to low range cards. I believe the GTX655 if it gets released is an OEM card. AMD dominates low to mid range generally. Whereas Nvidia dominates high range.[/citation] Don't know if you have been paying attention during this generation, but AMD dominates all across the board.

 

[Novuake]

[citation][nom]zooted[/nom]Don't know if you have been paying attention during this generation, but AMD dominates all across the board.[/citation]
Uhm?? Fanboy much...

If you saw my second reply then you would not be saying this.

"I am not referring to performance, i am referring to sales(OEM and retail). The marketing concentration from Nvidia is concentrated on Mid to high end."

As for domination from AMD? Hmmm... Read this :
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html

 

[spleenbegone]

[citation][nom]Novuake[/nom]Uhm?? Fanboy much...If you saw my second reply then you would not be saying this."I am not referring to performance, i am referring to sales(OEM and retail). The marketing concentration from Nvidia is concentrated on Mid to high end."As for domination from AMD? Hmmm... Read this : http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,3107.html[/citation]
Probably not the best thing to link. I see an AMD card at every price point sans the 670.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Novuake[/nom]Uhm?? Fanboy much...If you saw my second reply then you would not be saying this."I am not referring to performance, i am referring to sales(OEM and retail). The marketing concentration from Nvidia is concentrated on Mid to high end."As for domination from AMD? Hmmm... Read this : http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,3107.html[/citation]

AMD had about ten wins against Nvidia's four wins (two of which were a draw and one of which was the GTX 690 because AMD didn't want to bother making an ~$1K that might cost more in R&D and manufacturing than they'd get back in profits). I wouldn't call AMD dominating Nvidia either, but at least for the best gaming graphics cards for the money articles, AMD is winning overall (although as you said earlier, AMD is probably losing in sales in the high-end anyway).

 

[Novuake]

[citation][nom]spleenbegone[/nom]Probably not the best thing to link. I see an AMD card at every price point sans the 670.[/citation]

Thats my point, there are representatives from both AMD and Nvidia...I am not an Nvidia or AMD fanboy, I buy what I need for what purpose at the right price.

 

[Novuake]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]AMD had about ten wins against Nvidia's four wins (two of which were a draw and one of which was the GTX 690 because AMD didn't want to bother making an ~$1K that might cost more in R&D and manufacturing than they'd get back in profits). I wouldn't call AMD dominating Nvidia either, but at least for the best gaming graphics cards for the money articles, AMD is winning overall (although as you said earlier, AMD is probably losing in sales in the high-end anyway).[/citation]
Exactly... THank you for clearing this up for the fanboy rabble. lol

Like you read my mind...

 

[matt_b]

Finally a "mid-range" card being launched. There has been a need of an HD 7790 or HD 7830 for quite some time from AMD. Not only is there too huge of a price gap between the sweet-spot from $130 to $190, but the performance gap is just about as large between the 7770 and 7850. Glad to at least see someone besides the consumer recognizes this.

 

[tomfreak]

[citation][nom]Novuake[/nom]Nvidia was never very concentrated on the mid to low range cards. I believe the GTX655 if it gets released is an OEM card. AMD dominates low to mid range generally. Whereas Nvidia dominates high range.[/citation]9800GT/GTX460/560 has all been selling extremely well @ these price tag. Now why would Nvidia ignore this segment?

the current pricing of 660 non-TI is more expensive than the $149-199 price tag. Then the performance+ price gap between the 660non-Ti & 650non-Ti is sooo big. you must be insane to think Nvidia gonna allow AMD to dominate this area alone. 1 Product 650Ti is not enough to fill this big gap. 2 is more like the ideal thing for Nvidia.

I would also assume AMD will also come out something between 7850/7770. the gap between these 2 is also too big

 

[ejb222]

I've really been wanting a GTX 6xx. But I have a feeling that come Black Friday the 7850 will be close to $150 seeing that it is under $189 with rebate now. We will see what NVIDIA offers at a similar price come Dec. But it's hard to refuse the 7850 if it hits that price.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Tomfreak[/nom]9800GT/GTX460/560 has all been selling extremely well @ these price tag. Now why would Nvidia ignore this segment? the current pricing of 660 non-TI is more expensive than the $149-199 price tag. Then the performance+ price gap between the 660non-Ti & 650non-Ti is sooo big. you must be insane to think Nvidia gonna allow AMD to dominate this area alone. 1 Product 650Ti is not enough to fill this big gap. 2 is more like the ideal thing for Nvidia. I would also assume AMD will also come out something between 7850/7770. the gap between these 2 is also too big[/citation]

Those aren't exactly lower end cards and are more comparable to the the 660 in the function that they fit into in this generation.

It is unlikely that there will be another card from Nvidia in this price range except maybe in the OEM models. A retail model in this range other than the 650 Ti is very unlikely.

I agree in that the gap is too large, but it is unlikely that AMD will release another card here within the Radeon 7000 series. AMD has not only made a public, official statement (several times) saying that they won't do it, but doing so would require a third tier card and those tend to not go too well for AMD, especially given that the 7850's binning is already 25% short in block count of the 7870 as well as 14% lower in clock frequency. Besides, the highly factory overclocked 7770s (some are over 20% faster than reference) seem to fill the role fairly well anyway.

 

[ejb222]

I've really been wanting a GTX 6xx. But I have a feeling that come Black Friday the 7850 will be close to $150 seeing that it is under $189 with rebate now. We will see what NVIDIA offers at a similar price come Dec. But it's hard to refuse the 7850 if it hits that price.

 

[ejb222]

The mid to low range cards are the previous generation cards. They can still make money on these without the manufacturing cost of the new products.

 

[spookyman]

Its a nice price range for a low end budget build. Great for the average user.

 

[f-14]

no external exhaust makes it worthless in my book. might as well build a fire in your case, it would produce less heat

 

[zakaron]

[citation][nom]Tomfreak[/nom]blame the idiot casual consumer. 1/2GB seems to look more "normal" than any other VRAM configuration[/citation]
They must have picked up on this notion. My current 260gtx (216 core) comes with 896MB memory. Talk about an odd configuration. Sadly it's like 20MB shy of turning on high shaders in Max Payne 3 with all other options on high too.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]f-14[/nom]no external exhaust makes it worthless in my book. might as well build a fire in your case, it would produce less heat[/citation]

High heat production isn't the problem. The problem would just be getting it out of the case (if that's even problematic at all).

 

[spartanmk2]

Waiting for AMD 8850 for $199! 😀 (if its true)

 

[rebel1280]

Still rocking my 9800GT at 1900x1200! But boy do i need a new card lol (whole new computer actually)

 

[obsama1]

With holiday sales and the 8xxx series coming up soon, wouldn't be surprised to see the 7850 for $150 and 7870 for $180. Hopefully the 8xxx series will be a very big jump in performance. By the looks of the leaked 8xxx chart a few days ago, it seems that the 8770 will be just as good as the 7850.

 

[littleleo]

I've been in the Computer business awhile and in wholesale nVidia out sells AMD/ATI 20 to 1 easy. Some gamers may buy AMD over nVidia, however 95% of businesses prefer nVidia, period. It goes back to the history of ATI and the horrible driver issues they always had. Businesses still have a lot a fear about facing those issues today. AMD has improved their drivers, but nVidia is still better at drivers updates and releases. I've had customer bring back the new 7000s series cards and swear they'll never buy another AMD because of drivers issues. Personally I don't care what I sell its all green to me. In my own computer I use nVidia, they just work, I've tried ATI/AMD several times and I always feel like, ah the drivers are weak. They are improving, and someday they may be on par with nVidia at least I hope so otherwise AMD is going the way of the Dodo.

 

[matt_b]

[citation][nom]littleleo[/nom]I've been in the Computer business awhile and in wholesale nVidia out sells AMD/ATI 20 to 1 easy. Some gamers may buy AMD over nVidia, however 95% of businesses prefer nVidia, period. It goes back to the history of ATI and the horrible driver issues they always had. Businesses still have a lot a fear about facing those issues today. AMD has improved their drivers, but nVidia is still better at drivers updates and releases. I've had customer bring back the new 7000s series cards and swear they'll never buy another AMD because of drivers issues. Personally I don't care what I sell its all green to me. In my own computer I use nVidia, they just work, I've tried ATI/AMD several times and I always feel like, ah the drivers are weak. They are improving, and someday they may be on par with nVidia at least I hope so otherwise AMD is going the way of the Dodo.[/citation]
20:1 you say,
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
This must be a gamer only thing I guess. In my time, I've owned (discrete) maybe 10 ATI cards, 6 Nvidia, and 2 3Dfx cards. As an end user's perspective, they've all had their quirks and issues. Everyone has had either a bad driver update that likes to fry/brick a card, use of inferior solder that deteriorates and leaves a card useless, overheating and excessive power consumption issues, drivers that flat-out fail to work properly for gaming, I could keep going. You paint a picture as if Nvidia is mightier than they are, keep in mind the known-term of "the mighty green machine" refers to Nvidia's hard push to retail through marketing, handpicking review samples for tech sites, TWIMTBP, etc. - its a work of art. They put a lot of financial backing into these programs and it really pays off for them really well. Right now I am on a Radeon streak of 6 cards dating back to the HD 3000 series, my last Geforce was an 8800GT (bricked due to the solder fiasco, but so was my 8600m), this works for me and as I last heard none of these cards are giving any major issues - and they're all still running. I'm sure something will pop up sooner or later and make me look somewhere else again, but I have a hard time believing that your sales numbers of 20:1 and 95% business use of Nvidia isn't highly local, because nationally/worldwide it isn't the case.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]littleleo[/nom]I've been in the Computer business awhile and in wholesale nVidia out sells AMD/ATI 20 to 1 easy. Some gamers may buy AMD over nVidia, however 95% of businesses prefer nVidia, period. It goes back to the history of ATI and the horrible driver issues they always had. Businesses still have a lot a fear about facing those issues today. AMD has improved their drivers, but nVidia is still better at drivers updates and releases. I've had customer bring back the new 7000s series cards and swear they'll never buy another AMD because of drivers issues. Personally I don't care what I sell its all green to me. In my own computer I use nVidia, they just work, I've tried ATI/AMD several times and I always feel like, ah the drivers are weak. They are improving, and someday they may be on par with nVidia at least I hope so otherwise AMD is going the way of the Dodo.[/citation]

Don't forget to install the WHQL 196.75 drivers on your next Nvidia card.

 

[tomfreak]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Those aren't exactly lower end cards and are more comparable to the the 660 in the function that they fit into in this generation.It is unlikely that there will be another card from Nvidia in this price range except maybe in the OEM models. A retail model in this range other than the 650 Ti is very unlikely.I agree in that the gap is too large, but it is unlikely that AMD will release another card here within the Radeon 7000 series. AMD has not only made a public, official statement (several times) saying that they won't do it, but doing so would require a third tier card and those tend to not go too well for AMD, especially given that the 7850's binning is already 25% short in block count of the 7870 as well as 14% lower in clock frequency. Besides, the highly factory overclocked 7770s (some are over 20% faster than reference) seem to fill the role fairly well anyway.[/citation]they have done it on 6800, how would they say no to 7800. Dont forget 7850 does not have ROP being chopped. 28nm are not as mature as 40nm. 6800 have some chips that have defective ROP, AMD release it as 6790. Now why would a 7800 ROP are perfectly fine? 7770 super clock edition are only as fast as 6850. 7850 is @ slightly above 6950 performance area. Who is gonna fill the 6870 performance? There is also a full 80$ price gap there.

660 non-TI is probably the most expensive mid ranger ever. They have not fit the role of those 9800GT/460/560 roles yet.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Tomfreak[/nom]they have done it on 6800, how would they say no to 7800. Dont forget 7850 does not have ROP being chopped. 28nm are not as mature as 40nm. 6800 have some chips that have defective ROP, AMD release it as 6790. Now why would a 7800 ROP are perfectly fine? 7770 super clock edition are only as fast as 6850. 7850 is @ slightly above 6950 performance area. Who is gonna fill the 6870 performance? There is also a full 80$ price gap there. 660 non-TI is probably the most expensive mid ranger ever. They have not fit the role of those 9800GT/460/560 roles yet.[/citation]

The 6790 was not just a card with disabled ROPs. It had very high power consumption relative to the 6850 and the 6770, so it obviously had terrible binning. The 7850 and 7870 have no such binning issues regardless of their 28nm process' maturity.

The reference 7770 has already met the 6850. The highly overclocked models compete with the 6870.
The 660 performs hardly any worse than the 660 Ti (especially when overclocking is considered), so it's priced where it should be considering that.

Yes, there is a gap and it should be filled. However, looking at the past doesn't matter if you ignore how things are right now. The chances of AMD releasing another GCN GPU-based card from the Radeon 7000 series are slim to none. They will probably address this in the Radeon 8000 generation. Maybe AMD has been lying all of these months about not making a Radeon 7790 or 7830, but regardless of what they say, it simply might not make sense when they can instead use pretty much all non-useless Pitcairn GPUs in 7870s and 7850s. If anything, the 7850 will probably drop into this price range.