Revenge of the Sith Review - Short Version

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Ed Chauvin IV wrote:
> Mere moments before death, Matt Frisch hastily scrawled:
>
>>>Putting R2 and 3P0 in the prequels was among some of the stupidest things
>>>that Lucas did, and given the overall shittiness of Eps 1&2, that's saying
>>>a lot.
>>
>>Ok, so I saw the movie today, and that explains why 3P0 doesn't remember
>>anything....
>>
>>But I stand by my second paragraph!
>
>
> Actually, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the droids were
> originally supposed to be in all 9 movies. Unfortunately, we may
> never know for sure.
>
>

I read that too. I think I read it in Starlog sometime in the early
80's. I seem to recall that they were identified as being the narrators
of the story. And, I think except for one or two small or quick scenes,
R2 and 3PO are in, or close enough to the action, to be able to relate it.

For example, they're not in the trash compactor, but they're close
enough to the events to have remembered them for recording.


The one problem is: apparently 3PO gets mind-wiped at the end of Ep3,
and R2 may have memory loss at the end of Ep4 (which seems like a good
explanation of his reactions to Yoda in Ep5). So, unless some of their
early memories were being preserved some how, it's hard to think of them
as being the repositories of the story.

 

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Matt Frisch wrote:
>
>
> Episodes 7-9 would only be tolerable if Lucas held himself to "Story By'
> and "Executive Producer". Give the writing and the directing to someone who
> knows how to do both, and whose palpable hatred of actors doesn't
> transparently show up in every scene.
>

What Lucas needs is to hire his Ex-Wife to come back and be his critic
of the story lines. She was there for Ep 4 and Ep 5. But not Ep 6.
See a pattern?

 

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Billy Yank wrote:
> Suddenly, Sea Wasp, drunk as a lemur, stumbled out of the darkness and
> exclaimed:
>
>
>> KUBRICK? Dear GOD no. I have seen nothing to indicate he'd have the
>>faintest idea of how to do a kickass space opera. James Cameron,
>>possibly. Peter Jackson or Sam Raimi, yes. But Kubrick? His main foray
>>into SF, 2001, was sluggish and opaque; even if that was his intent,
>>it shows precisely the wrong mindset for doing a Star Wars movie. It'd
>>be almost as bad as getting a comedy director in the seat.
>>
>
>
> "Star Wars Episode 7: The Revenge of the Windoo" - A Spike Lee Joint
>

oowww... you've hurt my brain...

Though, that's right up there with this one from shortly after Star Trek V:


Kirk: Spock my friend?
Spock: Yes, Jim, my Friend?
Kirk: we are in for a most excellent journey!

Star Trek 6: Kirk and Spock's Excellent Journey

 

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On Thu, 26 May 2005 19:30:21 GMT, Stephenls <stephenls@shaw.ca> carved
upon a tablet of ether:

> Mark Blunden wrote:
>
> > Actually, the one plot hole they don't seem to have even come close to
> > filling is Obi-Wan's line to Luke when he gives him the lightsaber: "Your
> > father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle
> > wouldn't allow it."
>
> > I was expecting that to be explained in some way, even in just a throwaway
> > line to Padme that she later mentions to Obi-Wan - but no, in the end he
> > just picks up Anakin's lightsaber without a word.
>
> "Obi-Wan is telling Luke what he thinks Luke needs to hear, but he is
> not telling Luke the truth."
>
> There, I filled it for you.

Well, all he did was exchange the phrase "your father wanted..." for
the 'correct' one "your father would have wanted...". It certainly
avoided a whole bunch of inconvenient questions.


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Matt Frisch wrote:
> On 27 May 2005 15:01:21 -0700, julian814@hotmail.com scribed into the
> ether:
>
> >Trying to bend this thread back on topic, though it really isn't on
> >topic for the newsgroup . . .
> >
> >Someone has been trying to tell me that Palpatine said he didn't know
> >how to save people from dying. I seem to remember that he suggested he
> >might know, and never let Anakin think that he didn't. Anyone know
> >who's right, here?
>
> He lied to Anakin to give him false hope. He did suggest that he might
> know, and he indirectly claimed that his old master taught him (he didn't
> actually say that Plagueis was his old master, but it is rather strongly
> implied), but he also came out and told Anakin during the crucial decision
> time that together they could find a way to cheat death, or words to that
> effect.
>
> Anything that elicits a strong emotional response is opening a door to the
> dark side, Palpatine was just giving Anakin both barrels.

Thanks, Matt. The reason she and I were discussing this is because I
thought that Palpatine was implying that he could manipulate
midichlorians, and thought that maybe he was responsible for Anakin's
birth. He might have manipulated enough midichlorians in Shmi that she
gave birth to a child with the highest midichlorian count ever seen, so
Palpatine could possibly turn the child into a Sith Lord. I guess my
conjecture is a wild stretch, though.


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Sea Wasp <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote in
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> Ed Chauvin IV wrote:
>
>>
>> Hopefully, Lucas will write some scripts, die of a massive brain
>> embolism and then when we have the technology to bring back Kubrick,
>> he'll do 7-9. I'd be willing to wait the hundred years or so it would
>> take Kubrick to get it done.
>
> KUBRICK? Dear GOD no. I have seen nothing to indicate he'd have the
> faintest idea of how to do a kickass space opera. James Cameron,
> possibly. Peter Jackson or Sam Raimi, yes. But Kubrick? His main foray
> into SF, 2001, was sluggish and opaque; even if that was his intent,
> it shows precisely the wrong mindset for doing a Star Wars movie. It'd
> be almost as bad as getting a comedy director in the seat.
>
I dunno. Kubrick's only been dead for six years. It's entirely possible his
brain is still more creative than Lucas'.

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julian814@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks, Matt. The reason she and I were discussing this is because I
> thought that Palpatine was implying that he could manipulate
> midichlorians, and thought that maybe he was responsible for Anakin's
> birth. He might have manipulated enough midichlorians in Shmi that she
> gave birth to a child with the highest midichlorian count ever seen, so
> Palpatine could possibly turn the child into a Sith Lord. I guess my
> conjecture is a wild stretch, though.
>
>

You are not the only person that I have seen (well, read) come to that
conclusion. It sounds like it was an intended conclusion.

 

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> You'll notice that 'three women' was about right for the story; there
> were almost no female characters in LotR (which is part of what made
> Arwen so special, in that she could kill the Nazgul).

Eowyn.

> As for having Arwen take the place of a bunch of other characters who
> would've been there just to advance the plot before leaving (provide
> information, whatever), it makes sense from a practical standpoint. I
> can't say whether it added or removed anything from the movie, but I
> think otherwise she would've been almost a bit player.

Yes, a bit player who comes out of nowhere and marries Aragorn at the end of
the third movie. I think the decisions they made regarding her character
were reasonably sound.

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> I dunno. Kubrick's only been dead for six years. It's entirely possible
> his
> brain is still more creative than Lucas'.

You are understating the case.

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How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

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On 28 May 2005 03:27:31 -0700, julian814@hotmail.com scribed into the
ether:

>Matt Frisch wrote:
>> On 27 May 2005 15:01:21 -0700, julian814@hotmail.com scribed into the
>> ether:
>>
>> >Trying to bend this thread back on topic, though it really isn't on
>> >topic for the newsgroup . . .
>> >
>> >Someone has been trying to tell me that Palpatine said he didn't know
>> >how to save people from dying. I seem to remember that he suggested he
>> >might know, and never let Anakin think that he didn't. Anyone know
>> >who's right, here?
>>
>> He lied to Anakin to give him false hope. He did suggest that he might
>> know, and he indirectly claimed that his old master taught him (he didn't
>> actually say that Plagueis was his old master, but it is rather strongly
>> implied), but he also came out and told Anakin during the crucial decision
>> time that together they could find a way to cheat death, or words to that
>> effect.
>>
>> Anything that elicits a strong emotional response is opening a door to the
>> dark side, Palpatine was just giving Anakin both barrels.
>
>Thanks, Matt. The reason she and I were discussing this is because I
>thought that Palpatine was implying that he could manipulate
>midichlorians, and thought that maybe he was responsible for Anakin's
>birth.

There has been some speculation that Plagueis might have indeed been
responsible for Anakin, but I think the timeline for Palpatine to have done
so is too screwy. Plus, if he could do it, why wouldn't he arrange a more
Darth Maul-like approach, and train him to be bad from the very beginning?
Sticking the kid on a backwater planet and hoping that the jedi might find
him and train him seems a bit...far fetched.

 

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John Rudd wrote:

> Perhaps R2's damage at the end of EP-4 includes some key memory components.

Or maybe R2 doesn't take guff from anyone, Jedi Master or not.
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John Rudd wrote:

> (not having seen Ep 3 yet)

> Sabotage?

> Maybe the Death Star in Ep3 isn't framework the Death Star in Episode 4.
> Maybe the one in Ep4 is just the first one to make it to operational
> status (think of it like this: in Babylon 5's setting, Babylon 5 is the
> first of the 5 stations to make it to full operational status, though B4
> was fully functional but not in operational status ... perhaps the
> ongoing rebellion destroys the first few attempts to build a death star
> (so they don't yet know what its full potential is, thus their surprise
> in Ep4).

> But, then, not having seen Ep3, I don't know if there's a rebellion
> right from the get go, or if there's supposedly some delay in time
> between Ep3 and the start of the rebellion.

> It could also be that the Ep3 Death Star is like the Space Shuttle
> Enterprise: a prototype and proof of concept for several key
> technologies ... but not actually intended to ever be a fully
> operational platform.

I think I prefer the hypothesis that says the Death Star I took so long
to build for primarily two reasons:

1) Palpatine was keeping the project as hush-hush as possible, to keep
the Senate out of the loop. His power at the end of the fourth movie is
still tenuous.

2) The actual construction of the Death Star I required revolutionary
advances in many key technologies not existing at the time of Revenge of
the Sith.

A combination of required research and the necessity of keeping supply
flow slow kept production back. The Death Star II was built very
quickly because neither of those issues were present.
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Malachias Invictus wrote:
> Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>> Plus I find Elijah Wood intensely irritating as Frodo. Oh, wide eyes,
>> oh, so hurt by his predicament.
>
> Try him in Sin City ;-)

I saw "Sin City" the night it opened, since I was in the U.S. to visit my
girlfriend at the time. That's part of why I said "as Frodo".

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and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
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> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>> Christopher Adams wrote:
>>
>>> Plus I find Elijah Wood intensely irritating as Frodo. Oh, wide eyes,
>>> oh, so hurt by his predicament.
>>
>> Try him in Sin City ;-)
>
> I saw "Sin City" the night it opened, since I was in the U.S. to visit my
> girlfriend at the time. That's part of why I said "as Frodo".

After seeing him in Sin City, it makes me look at him a bit different in
Lord of the Rings ;-)

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Jasin Zujovic wrote:
> mhacdebhandia@yahoo.invalid wrote:
>
>>
>> Tolkien, even Tolkien jazzed up by Jackson, just isn't my kind of
>> fantasy. Nice worldbuilding, I can appreciate the craft of it, but it
>> does nothing for me.
>
> ... eh? You don't like Tolkien? What kind of a person are you!?
>
> But seriously, that's... interesting. I expect you're in the extreme
> minority, being a D&D-er with no love for Tolkien.

Probably.

> But even more interesting would be hearing what is you kind of fantasy.
> Is there a story that makes you want to play *right now* just so you can
> be the people in the story?

I don't play to "be" other people, and I've never had the urge to emulate
fiction in my gaming, but . . .

I prefer Howard. I don't think every hero has to be Conan-esque, but I'd rather
have a world filled with temples to forgotten and cthonic gods, thieves' guilds
and decadent empires than cosy little hobbit shires, graceful elven forest
cities and legendary aristocratic bloodlines.

Plus, you know, Howard has Lovecraft backing him up. Tolkien has the Bible. I
know which I'd prefer. 😉

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understand?
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Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger. It works the same in any country.

 

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Stephenls wrote:
>
> I think I prefer the hypothesis that says the Death Star I took so long
> to build for primarily two reasons:
>
> 1) Palpatine was keeping the project as hush-hush as possible, to keep
> the Senate out of the loop. His power at the end of the fourth movie is
> still tenuous.
>
> 2) The actual construction of the Death Star I required revolutionary
> advances in many key technologies not existing at the time of Revenge of
> the Sith.
>
> A combination of required research and the necessity of keeping supply
> flow slow kept production back. The Death Star II was built very
> quickly because neither of those issues were present.

Death Star II is bigger. Maybe that's the one we see under construction at the
end of Episode III, and they managed to build a smaller version to implement the
Tarkin Doctrine after the Emperor takes control.

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What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you
understand?
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/prestigeclasslist.html
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger. It works the same in any country.

 

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Malachias Invictus wrote:
> Christopher Adams wrote:
>> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>> Christopher Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plus I find Elijah Wood intensely irritating as Frodo. Oh, wide eyes,
>>>> oh, so hurt by his predicament.
>>>
>>> Try him in Sin City ;-)
>>
>> I saw "Sin City" the night it opened, since I was in the U.S. to visit
>> my girlfriend at the time. That's part of why I said "as Frodo".
>
> After seeing him in Sin City, it makes me look at him a bit different in
> Lord of the Rings ;-)

It doesn't work that way for me - the fact that "The Devil's Advocate" is my
favourite film doesn't mean I like "Constantine" or Keanu Reeves in general. 😉

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What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you
understand?
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Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger. It works the same in any country.

 

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John Rudd <john@rudd.cc> you up next, work it out now.

>Matt Frisch wrote:
>
>>
>> And oh yea...wtf is up with the Death Star apparently taking more than 20
>> years to actually build? It looks about 10% done at the end of the movie,
>> but it doesn't get finished until 1/3rd of the way through Ep 4...huh?
>>
>> No wonder Vader needs to motivate those slackers in Ep 6, they can't build
>> anything in a timely way.
>
>(not having seen Ep 3 yet)
>
>Sabotage?
>

I seem to remember in some of the non-movie fiction that Wookies
(among other races) were enslaved for heavy lifting and construction
by the Empire and were used on at least a few of the Death Star
projects (out of what seemed like several dozen between the Empire's
Death Stars and then the Imperial Remnants' and the Hutts' and all of
the other groups' attempts).

Work slowdowns and overall lack of morale would probably slow
construction considerably, but even with all of that, slave labor is
probably still cheaper than droid labor for huge projects, since you
don't have to feed the slaves well, and there's a whole galaxy to
aliens to enslave.

Bill
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"Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> "Terry Austin" <taustin@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
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>
>> I dunno. Kubrick's only been dead for six years. It's entirely possible
>> his
>> brain is still more creative than Lucas'.
>
> You are understating the case.
>
Heh. The bacteria digesting the remains of Kubrick's decomposing brain are
more creative than the bacteria digesting the remains of Lucas' decomposing
brain?

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"Terry Austin" <taustin@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
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> "Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>> "Terry Austin" <taustin@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>> I dunno. Kubrick's only been dead for six years. It's entirely possible
>>> his
>>> brain is still more creative than Lucas'.
>>
>> You are understating the case.
>>
> Heh. The bacteria digesting the remains of Kubrick's decomposing brain are
> more creative than the bacteria digesting the remains of Lucas'
> decomposing
> brain?

Let's not bring up midichlorians again.

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Malachias Invictus <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> "Keith Davies" <keith.davies@kjdavies.org> wrote in message
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>> You'll notice that 'three women' was about right for the story; there
>> were almost no female characters in LotR (which is part of what made
>> Arwen so special, in that she could kill the Nazgul).
>
> Eowyn.

duh.

It's been a long time since I read the books, and I haven't seen the
movies at all.

I've got the $specialversion on DVD, and I haven't gotten around to it.

>> As for having Arwen take the place of a bunch of other characters who
>> would've been there just to advance the plot before leaving (provide
>> information, whatever), it makes sense from a practical standpoint. I
>> can't say whether it added or removed anything from the movie, but I
>> think otherwise she would've been almost a bit player.
>
> Yes, a bit player who comes out of nowhere and marries Aragorn at the
> end of the third movie. I think the decisions they made regarding her
> character were reasonably sound.

Probably, yeah. The gave a bit of background on her so she didn't come
completely out of nowhere... that she served some other purposes seems a
reasonable adaptation.


Keith
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 23:25:19 GMT, Keith Davies <keith.davies@kjdavies.org>
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>You'll notice that 'three women' was about right for the story; there
>were almost no female characters in LotR (which is part of what made
>Arwen so special, in that she could kill the Nazgul).

[nit]Eowyn[/pick]

 

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On Sun, 29 May 2005 08:25:30 GMT, Keith Davies <keith.davies@kjdavies.org>
scribed into the ether:

>Malachias Invictus <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Keith Davies" <keith.davies@kjdavies.org> wrote in message
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>>> You'll notice that 'three women' was about right for the story; there
>>> were almost no female characters in LotR (which is part of what made
>>> Arwen so special, in that she could kill the Nazgul).
>>
>> Eowyn.
>
>duh.
>
>It's been a long time since I read the books, and I haven't seen the
>movies at all.
>
>I've got the $specialversion on DVD, and I haven't gotten around to it.

Egad! Get the super extra jumbo oversize popcorn, turn down the shades, and
enjoy.

I think that Jackson chickened out a bit with Frodo at the cracks of doom,
and Gollum falling into the lava, but otherwise the best of the trilogy.

 

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On Sun, 29 May 2005 01:44:02 GMT, "Christopher Adams"
<mhacdebhandia@yahoo.invalid> scribed into the ether:

>Malachias Invictus wrote:
>> Christopher Adams wrote:
>>> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>>> Christopher Adams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Plus I find Elijah Wood intensely irritating as Frodo. Oh, wide eyes,
>>>>> oh, so hurt by his predicament.
>>>>
>>>> Try him in Sin City ;-)
>>>
>>> I saw "Sin City" the night it opened, since I was in the U.S. to visit
>>> my girlfriend at the time. That's part of why I said "as Frodo".
>>
>> After seeing him in Sin City, it makes me look at him a bit different in
>> Lord of the Rings ;-)
>
>It doesn't work that way for me - the fact that "The Devil's Advocate" is my
>favourite film doesn't mean I like "Constantine" or Keanu Reeves in general. 😉

You have a wierd taste in favorite films...

Two redeeming features to Devil's Advocate...the nekkid redhead (even with
implants...dayum), and Keanu blowing his own brains out. Pity you have to
sit through 90whatever minutes of dreck to get to it.

Pacino was chewing too much scenery for me to take him seriously as the
devil.

 

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On Sun, 29 May 2005 03:13:25 -0000, Terry Austin <taustin@hyperbooks.com>
scribed into the ether:

>Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in
>news:d2vh91tcbvcg3lg32phk98qsrr8fqj5qgo@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 28 May 2005 20:37:58 -0000, Terry Austin
>> <taustin@hyperbooks.com> scribed into the ether:
>>
>>>Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in
>>>news:iobg91laui0lnv851larjo5sohs08nnule@4ax.com:

>>>Not everyone agrees with that. It is conventional wisdom that you
>>>_must_ have a romantic interest for your hero, in an action film.
>>
>> T2 seemed to do pretty well without it...but then that's Cameron.
>
>Sara Conner sorta filled that spot, if you don't look too close.

With...who? The Terminator? They clipped out the scene with Reese in it.


>>>>>> Would you have prefered a half dozen or so throwaway elves whose
>>>>>> roles Arwen supplanted?
>>>>>
>>>>>Frankly, yes, I would have.
>>>>
>>>> Bleh.
>>>>
>>>I'm a fan of the original.
>>
>> So how do you feel about Shelob being pushed back to the third movie?
>>
>A matter of pacing, necessary for the medium.

Which is the same reason I have for not introducing a bunch of throwaway
elves.

Would Fellowship have been improved...at all...with Glorfindel at the river
instead of Arwen? Considering that you'd never see him again.