Revenge of the Sith Review - Short Version

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:59:57 GMT, Matt Frisch
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>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
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>> And who told us that? YODA. I wouldn't believe that treasonous little
>>git if he told me the Sun rose in the East. I'd need verification,
>>which I haven't got.
>
>Supported by the existance of such pairs in the movie. Have you ever seen a
>3rd Sith in any movie? Why would the emperor have wanted Luke to strike his
>father down, if the rules allowed the existance of 2 apprentices?

Who else was he going to kill in order to complete his path to the
dark side - the Emperor? Not good for the Emperor's position. Some
imperial shmuck who he has no feelings about? Not exactly a useful
test. One of his friends back on Endor? Not going to happen at that
point in time.

It is entirely possible that one apprentice needed to be removed in
order for a new one to join him, but there's too many other
possibilities in the situation to make any conclusions.

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:01:47 GMT, "Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.no.dowdy@hpspam.com>
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>> You mean like the cowardly weasels who blows up a defenseless planet as an
>> object lesson to someone who isn't even ON the planet?
>>
>Not much of an object lesson to blow up the planet with the pupil on the
>planet, is it?

It's a very short one.

 

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:03:51 GMT, "Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.no.dowdy@hpspam.com>
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>> How about the cowardly weasel who ...cowardly giv(es) orders to troops
>> outnumbering their commanders 1000:1 to kill those commanders with no
>> warning...that sort of cowardly weasel?
>
>Proper use of Mass and Surprise; essential strategic elements of war. After
>all, the Jedi were trying to usurp the legally elected government.

The Chancellor had violated the laws of the republic to remain chancellor
for as long as he had. Plus there's that whole conspiracy to usurp the
Senate and control the republic. How about a few million counts of
premeditated murder just for good measure.

They were arresting him, not replacing him. Being in high office does not
give you carte blanche to perform any criminal act you choose with
impunity.

 

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On 10 Jun 2005 18:51:15 GMT, dalamb@qucis.queensu.ca (David Alex Lamb)
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>In article <84jia1lg4e84hsjsbo26k4trb1hbtcbqvs@4ax.com>,
>Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:
>>You mean like the cowardly weasels who blows up a defenseless planet as an
>>object lesson to someone who isn't even ON the planet?
>>
>>How about the cowardly weasel who when decisively beaten in a fair fight,
>>emotionally manipulates a spoiled brat into killing a former friend (or at
>>least close ally), followed by cowardly giving orders to troops
>>outnumbering their commanders 1000:1 to kill those commanders with no
>>warning...that sort of cowardly weasel?
>
>These are standard Evil Overlord stuff. Why is it cowardly?

Why assume that most standard Evil Overlords are not cowards?

>And (I haven't seen it yet) doesn't Sidious take on a lot of Jedi at once?
>That doesn't sound cowardly to me.

It's not until you get beaten and can't own up to it. He beats the first 3
Jedi with incredible ease, enough so that it really is a 1:1 match, during
which time he gets soundly thumped.

 

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Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in
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> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
> <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>
>>Matt Frisch wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:11:50 GMT, Sea Wasp
>>> <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>>>>Matt Frisch wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:37:07 GMT, Sea Wasp
>>>>><seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>>>>>
>>>>>That's just flat untrue. That would be akin to saying that anyone
>>>>>who doesn't support Bush is a terrorist.
>>>>
>>>> If you're a force user and against them, you're a Sith.
>>>
>>> The more appropriate term would be Dark Jedi...Sith is, again, a
>>> specific belief structure. If you are fighting in WWII, and you are
>>> against the Americans, then you are Japanese. Oh wait...that's not a
>>> true statement.
>>
>> Because you know there ARE other groups. Within the context of
>> the
>>movies, we don't know there ARE other groups of Force users. They're
>>either Sith or Jedi, as far as the movies show.
>
> A bizarre polarity that is unsupported by any sort of rational
> thought. Are you saying that a force user who falls to the dark side
> on some primitive world which has never before been even visited by
> someone from another planet...is Sith?

No, he's saying _the movies_ say that. And he's right. And you're right,
too. It *is* a bizarre polarity that is unsupported by any sort of rational
thought. But then, rational thought is something that leads you to the dark
side. Trust your feelings, Matt.

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Kaos wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
> <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> dared speak in front of ME:
>
>
>>Matt Frisch wrote:
>>
>>>The more appropriate term would be Dark Jedi...Sith is, again, a specific
>>>belief structure. If you are fighting in WWII, and you are against the
>>>Americans, then you are Japanese. Oh wait...that's not a true statement.
>>
>> Because you know there ARE other groups. Within the context of the
>>movies, we don't know there ARE other groups of Force users. They're
>>either Sith or Jedi, as far as the movies show.
>
>
> So... what was Luke before Yoda accepted him as a student? He had
> already exhibited some use of the force, was not yet a Jedi... but
> opposed the Sith.
>

A halfass trained Jedi looking for a master.

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:22:08 GMT, Sea Wasp
<seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> dared speak in front of ME:

>Kaos wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
>> <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> dared speak in front of ME:
>>
>>
>>>Matt Frisch wrote:
>>>
>>>>The more appropriate term would be Dark Jedi...Sith is, again, a specific
>>>>belief structure. If you are fighting in WWII, and you are against the
>>>>Americans, then you are Japanese. Oh wait...that's not a true statement.
>>>
>>> Because you know there ARE other groups. Within the context of the
>>>movies, we don't know there ARE other groups of Force users. They're
>>>either Sith or Jedi, as far as the movies show.
>>
>>
>> So... what was Luke before Yoda accepted him as a student? He had
>> already exhibited some use of the force, was not yet a Jedi... but
>> opposed the Sith.
>>
>
> A halfass trained Jedi looking for a master.

Indeed. Now, suppose Yoda (the only available master) not relented
and stuck by his initial decision not to train him - would that have
instantly made him Sith?

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No 33 Secretary wrote:

> No, he's saying _the movies_ say that. And he's right. And you're right,
> too. It *is* a bizarre polarity that is unsupported by any sort of rational
> thought. But then, rational thought is something that leads you to the dark
> side. Trust your feelings, Matt.
>

Yes. That's the wierd part of it. By Star Wars' own shown "rules",
the more logic Matt uses, the more he's on the Dark Side. It's for
damn sure logic and rational thought had little to do with anything
the JEDI did.


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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:59:57 GMT, Matt Frisch
<matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
><seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>
>>Matt Frisch wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:11:50 GMT, Sea Wasp
>>> <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>>>>Matt Frisch wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:37:07 GMT, Sea Wasp
>>>>><seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>>>>>
>>>>>That's just flat untrue. That would be akin to saying that anyone who
>>>>>doesn't support Bush is a terrorist.
>>>>
>>>> If you're a force user and against them, you're a Sith.
>>>
>>> The more appropriate term would be Dark Jedi...Sith is, again, a specific
>>> belief structure. If you are fighting in WWII, and you are against the
>>> Americans, then you are Japanese. Oh wait...that's not a true statement.
>>
>> Because you know there ARE other groups. Within the context of the
>>movies, we don't know there ARE other groups of Force users. They're
>>either Sith or Jedi, as far as the movies show.
>
>A bizarre polarity that is unsupported by any sort of rational thought. Are
>you saying that a force user who falls to the dark side on some primitive
>world which has never before been even visited by someone from another
>planet...is Sith?

He's saying more than that. He's saying that Anakin was Sith when
competing in the pod races because Anakin was using the Force without
being a Jedi. Of course they didn't exactly react to him that way.

 

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:03:57 GMT, Matt Frisch
<matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:

that most standard Evil Overlords are not cowards?
>
>>And (I haven't seen it yet) doesn't Sidious take on a lot of Jedi at once?
>>That doesn't sound cowardly to me.
>
>It's not until you get beaten and can't own up to it. He beats the first 3
>Jedi with incredible ease, enough so that it really is a 1:1 match, during
>which time he gets soundly thumped.

Yeah suuure he does. Strange that Mace gets so much better just as
Anakin shows up.

 

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Sea Wasp <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote in
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> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
>> No, he's saying _the movies_ say that. And he's right. And you're
>> right, too. It *is* a bizarre polarity that is unsupported by any
>> sort of rational thought. But then, rational thought is something
>> that leads you to the dark side. Trust your feelings, Matt.
>>
>
> Yes. That's the wierd part of it. By Star Wars' own shown
> "rules",
> the more logic Matt uses, the more he's on the Dark Side. It's for
> damn sure logic and rational thought had little to do with anything
> the JEDI did.
>
One must eventually confront the possibility that, in the SW universe,
"light" and "dark" do not map to "good" and "evil," respectively, as they
do in our culture. In fact, one must really wonder if, perhaps, they map
oppositely. Does anyone ever say, outright, that the dark side is evil?

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:10:54 -0000, No 33 Secretary
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>Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in
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>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:03:51 GMT, "Glenn Dowdy"
>> <glenn.no.dowdy@hpspam.com> scribed into the ether:
>>
>>>
>>>"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
>>>news:84jia1lg4e84hsjsbo26k4trb1hbtcbqvs@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> How about the cowardly weasel who ...cowardly giv(es) orders to
>>>> troops outnumbering their commanders 1000:1 to kill those commanders
>>>> with no warning...that sort of cowardly weasel?
>>>
>>>Proper use of Mass and Surprise; essential strategic elements of war.
>>>After all, the Jedi were trying to usurp the legally elected
>>>government.
>>
>> The Chancellor had violated the laws of the republic to remain
>> chancellor for as long as he had. Plus there's that whole conspiracy
>> to usurp the Senate and control the republic. How about a few million
>> counts of premeditated murder just for good measure.
>>
>> They were arresting him, not replacing him. Being in high office does
>> not give you carte blanche to perform any criminal act you choose with
>> impunity.
>>
>What kind of drooling 'tard argues the morality of movie characters? Darth
>Vader and the emperor were evil. We know this, because the movies say so.
>End of story.

What kind of drooling 'tard reads a clearly labeled, and fairly lengthy
Star Wars thread with the expectation of no geekery?

 

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:26:01 GMT, Sea Wasp
<seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:

>No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
>> No, he's saying _the movies_ say that. And he's right. And you're right,
>> too. It *is* a bizarre polarity that is unsupported by any sort of rational
>> thought. But then, rational thought is something that leads you to the dark
>> side. Trust your feelings, Matt.
>>
>
> Yes. That's the wierd part of it. By Star Wars' own shown "rules",
>the more logic Matt uses, the more he's on the Dark Side. It's for
>damn sure logic and rational thought had little to do with anything
>the JEDI did.

99% of people are on the dark side, just without the force powers.

That's why being a Jedi is so difficult, and why the dark side is so
tempting...all you have to do is basically be an emotional human being, and
the dark side right there.

Power corrupts, Jedi training is basically keeping your natural corruption
in check.

 

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Kaos wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:22:08 GMT, Sea Wasp
> <seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> dared speak in front of ME:
>
>
>>Kaos wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
>>><seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> dared speak in front of ME:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Matt Frisch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The more appropriate term would be Dark Jedi...Sith is, again, a specific
>>>>>belief structure. If you are fighting in WWII, and you are against the
>>>>>Americans, then you are Japanese. Oh wait...that's not a true statement.
>>>>
>>>> Because you know there ARE other groups. Within the context of the
>>>>movies, we don't know there ARE other groups of Force users. They're
>>>>either Sith or Jedi, as far as the movies show.
>>>
>>>
>>>So... what was Luke before Yoda accepted him as a student? He had
>>>already exhibited some use of the force, was not yet a Jedi... but
>>>opposed the Sith.
>>>
>>
>> A halfass trained Jedi looking for a master.
>
>
> Indeed. Now, suppose Yoda (the only available master) not relented
> and stuck by his initial decision not to train him - would that have
> instantly made him Sith?
>

If he continued to use the Force, probably. By the Council's
definition. After all, without proper training he's clearly heading to
HELL.

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Kaos <kaos@invalid.xplornet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:59:57 GMT, Matt Frisch
><matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> dared speak in front of ME:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
>><seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>>> And who told us that? YODA. I wouldn't believe that treasonous
>>>little git if he told me the Sun rose in the East. I'd need
>>>verification, which I haven't got.
>>
>>Supported by the existance of such pairs in the movie. Have you ever
>>seen a 3rd Sith in any movie? Why would the emperor have wanted Luke
>>to strike his father down, if the rules allowed the existance of 2
>>apprentices?
>
> Who else was he going to kill in order to complete his path to the
> dark side - the Emperor? Not good for the Emperor's position. Some
> imperial shmuck who he has no feelings about? Not exactly a useful
> test. One of his friends back on Endor? Not going to happen at that
> point in time.

IIRC the Emperor was just fine with Luke killing him -- that'd take him
to the dark side and his father would train him. That or he was just
taunting him to get him more emotional so he'd make a mistake.

I mean, I'm sure the Emperor would rather Luke killed his father, but
after having been committed to the dark side so long the conversion of a
strong, young, not-yet-bound-to-the-light-side Jedi may have looked
pretty attractive. Maybe the Emperor knew he was close to death anyway
and wanted it to be useful to the dark side.


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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:05:32 GMT, Keith Davies
<keith.davies@kjdavies.org> dared speak in front of ME:

>Kaos <kaos@invalid.xplornet.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:59:57 GMT, Matt Frisch
>><matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> dared speak in front of ME:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
>>><seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>>>> And who told us that? YODA. I wouldn't believe that treasonous
>>>>little git if he told me the Sun rose in the East. I'd need
>>>>verification, which I haven't got.
>>>
>>>Supported by the existance of such pairs in the movie. Have you ever
>>>seen a 3rd Sith in any movie? Why would the emperor have wanted Luke
>>>to strike his father down, if the rules allowed the existance of 2
>>>apprentices?
>>
>> Who else was he going to kill in order to complete his path to the
>> dark side - the Emperor? Not good for the Emperor's position. Some
>> imperial shmuck who he has no feelings about? Not exactly a useful
>> test. One of his friends back on Endor? Not going to happen at that
>> point in time.
>
>IIRC the Emperor was just fine with Luke killing him -- that'd take him
>to the dark side and his father would train him. That or he was just
>taunting him to get him more emotional so he'd make a mistake.

Or he knew that Luke's attempt to strike him down would be stopped by
Vader, resulting in the father-son duel. (Which, oddly, is exactly
what happened.)

>I mean, I'm sure the Emperor would rather Luke killed his father, but
>after having been committed to the dark side so long the conversion of a
>strong, young, not-yet-bound-to-the-light-side Jedi may have looked
>pretty attractive. Maybe the Emperor knew he was close to death anyway
>and wanted it to be useful to the dark side.

Doesn't seem consistent with his character.

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Kaos <kaos@invalid.xplornet.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:05:32 GMT, Keith Davies
><keith.davies@kjdavies.org> dared speak in front of ME:
>
>>IIRC the Emperor was just fine with Luke killing him -- that'd take him
>>to the dark side and his father would train him. That or he was just
>>taunting him to get him more emotional so he'd make a mistake.
>
> Or he knew that Luke's attempt to strike him down would be stopped by
> Vader, resulting in the father-son duel. (Which, oddly, is exactly
> what happened.)

Sure, he had enough ability he might've been able to see that. Or even
just a good enough knowledge of human nature and trust in Vader's
reactions to guess.

I've got no problem with that.

>>I mean, I'm sure the Emperor would rather Luke killed his father, but
>>after having been committed to the dark side so long the conversion of a
>>strong, young, not-yet-bound-to-the-light-side Jedi may have looked
>>pretty attractive. Maybe the Emperor knew he was close to death anyway
>>and wanted it to be useful to the dark side.
>
> Doesn't seem consistent with his character.

Probably not, no. OTOH, as I said at the end, if he knew he was close
to death anyway he might've done it to try to ensure Vader had an
apprentice.

A perhaps interesting twist that may or may not be borne out: maybe he
knew that he was going to die soon, and even saw the destruction of the
Death Star. He might have been there, goading Luke, in an effort to
change the One Key Thing that would prevent this. However, evidently
Force (or perhaps dark side) precognition is a little substandard and
shows what's going to happen if you try to prevent it -- self-fulfilling
prophecy.

We've already got evidence that precognition backfires. Well, we do
*now*, at least.


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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:39:00 GMT, rgorman@telusplanet.net (David Johnston)
scribed into the ether:

>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:03:57 GMT, Matt Frisch
><matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:
>
>that most standard Evil Overlords are not cowards?
>>
>>>And (I haven't seen it yet) doesn't Sidious take on a lot of Jedi at once?
>>>That doesn't sound cowardly to me.
>>
>>It's not until you get beaten and can't own up to it. He beats the first 3
>>Jedi with incredible ease, enough so that it really is a 1:1 match, during
>>which time he gets soundly thumped.
>
>Yeah suuure he does. Strange that Mace gets so much better just as
>Anakin shows up.

Anakin didn't show up until Palpatine was already layed out for the
deathblow. Is it possible that he sensed Anakin about to arrive, and took a
dive right before? Yes, that's possible.

 

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:36:04 -0600, Kaos <kaos@invalid.xplornet.com>
scribed into the ether:

>On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:05:32 GMT, Keith Davies
><keith.davies@kjdavies.org> dared speak in front of ME:
>
>>Kaos <kaos@invalid.xplornet.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:59:57 GMT, Matt Frisch
>>><matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> dared speak in front of ME:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:46 GMT, Sea Wasp
>>>><seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> scribed into the ether:
>>>>> And who told us that? YODA. I wouldn't believe that treasonous
>>>>>little git if he told me the Sun rose in the East. I'd need
>>>>>verification, which I haven't got.
>>>>
>>>>Supported by the existance of such pairs in the movie. Have you ever
>>>>seen a 3rd Sith in any movie? Why would the emperor have wanted Luke
>>>>to strike his father down, if the rules allowed the existance of 2
>>>>apprentices?
>>>
>>> Who else was he going to kill in order to complete his path to the
>>> dark side - the Emperor? Not good for the Emperor's position. Some
>>> imperial shmuck who he has no feelings about? Not exactly a useful
>>> test. One of his friends back on Endor? Not going to happen at that
>>> point in time.
>>
>>IIRC the Emperor was just fine with Luke killing him -- that'd take him
>>to the dark side and his father would train him. That or he was just
>>taunting him to get him more emotional so he'd make a mistake.
>
>Or he knew that Luke's attempt to strike him down would be stopped by
>Vader, resulting in the father-son duel. (Which, oddly, is exactly
>what happened.)

This is later, when Luke has completely beaten Vader (hand cut off,
lightsaber down the long drop), the Emperor stands up clapping.."Strike him
down and take his place at my side." Before that, he's trying to get Luke
to attack himself, and *that* is when he knows Vader will defend him.

 

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:01:57 +0000, Matt Frisch wrote:
> Being in high office does not
> give you carte blanche to perform any criminal act you choose with
> impunity.

I so wish that were true in the real world.

Rob

 

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 08:26:15 +0000, Rob van Riel <robvr@mail.com> scribed
into the ether:

>On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:01:57 +0000, Matt Frisch wrote:
>> Being in high office does not
>> give you carte blanche to perform any criminal act you choose with
>> impunity.
>
>I so wish that were true in the real world.

Bush couldn't just walk down Pennsylvania Ave and blow some schmuck's head
off without being arrested for it, President or no.

 

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:47:37 GMT, Keith Davies
<keith.davies@kjdavies.org> dared speak in front of ME:

>Kaos <kaos@invalid.xplornet.com> wrote:
>> Doesn't seem consistent with his character.
>
>Probably not, no. OTOH, as I said at the end, if he knew he was close
>to death anyway he might've done it to try to ensure Vader had an
>apprentice.
>
>A perhaps interesting twist that may or may not be borne out: maybe he
>knew that he was going to die soon, and even saw the destruction of the
>Death Star. He might have been there, goading Luke, in an effort to
>change the One Key Thing that would prevent this. However, evidently
>Force (or perhaps dark side) precognition is a little substandard and
>shows what's going to happen if you try to prevent it -- self-fulfilling
>prophecy.

In the game, it was stated that the dark side always betrays it's
users - except in one case (Vader.) Your hypothesis fits that concept
fairly well.

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David Johnston wrote:

>
> He's saying more than that. He's saying that Anakin was Sith when
> competing in the pod races because Anakin was using the Force without
> being a Jedi.

Han Solo must've been using the Force when flying through asteroids too.


Of course they didn't exactly react to him that way.
>

Actually... they sure as hell didn't welcome him with open arms. They
COULD have treated him a little worse, but not all that much.


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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:51:15 GMT, Sea Wasp
<seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:

>David Johnston wrote:
>
>>
>> He's saying more than that. He's saying that Anakin was Sith when
>> competing in the pod races because Anakin was using the Force without
>> being a Jedi.
>
> Han Solo must've been using the Force when flying through asteroids too.
>

Han Solo wasn't an eight-year-old with a freak talent.

 

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:49:55 GMT, Sea Wasp
<seaobviouswasp@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:


>> The 4th isn't. It is very unhealthy to refuse to accept the reality
>> of death.
>
> It's very healthy to refuse to just LET people die rather than trying
>to prevent it.


Speaking as someone who fairly recently had to let a close family
member die, I'd have to disagree. Yoda wasn't suggesting that Anakin
stand by and allow a preventable death to occur.