Rockstar; why no GTA 4 for PC?

[Heyyou27]

my old AGP 8x 7800 GS 256 ram is equivalent to the ps3 gpu. and i BEAT on ppl in CoD4.

ps3-xbox 360 - 30-35 fps (locked) @ 1280x1024 (maybe some games get higher but not much more that this)

pc - up too 60 fps @ 2560x1600 on a 30'' LCD



the cost a console is around the same price of a C2D(e4700) P5N-E SLI mobo + 8800Gt + 2 gigs ram(i just built this i know its not a monster but i can play crysis @ 1440x900 on my LCD with all high settings and have around 30-35fps). but you still have to tv to play it on. ok u can buy a cheap tv but for the best graphics you'll need a HDTV to get that. that cost what(???) roughly $2000+ for a good one. so that console just got a lot more expensive than any pc.

Actually, the GPU in the PS3 is based on the G71 design, but is clocked at 550MHz and has 24 pixel shaders and TMUs, as well as 8 vertex shaders, quite a bit more powerful than a stock 7800GS which ran at 400MHz, had 16 pixel shaders, 16 TMUs, and only 6 vertex shader units. I love how you say that the PC supports a resolution up to 2560x1600 with a framerate of 60FPS but that's only if you have the highest end equipment available, many times more expensive than either a PS3 or Xbox360. In fact, even 3 Geforce GTX 280s wouldn't be capable of giving Crysis a framerate that high on such a resolution. It's like saying: "With a Ford you can drive at a top speed of 200 miles per hour" when in reality only the top end of the Ford line, the Ford GT can touch this level of speed. Also, the contrast ratio, colors, and response times of my 65" 1080p television absolutely rapes my 1920x1200 LCD monitor.

 

[mick_01]

well i've had enough of upgrading the pc too expensive. not only that but when i bought this xps 600 just over 2 years ago it cost me 3,600 euro. now i need to upgrade to dual core. cos i can't upgrade to core 2 duo. and the graphics card needs upgrading too. so i just saved myself the money and got an xbox 360 and got it flashed hooked it up to my 22 inch crt pc monitor. graphics are excellent the same as a high end pc at the moment. just to say i don't think it makes sense spending hundreds more upgrading the pc all the time when you can just stick in a game in the xbox 360 and it runs flawlessly. i would rather play games on the pc but it's just to expensive upgrading. gta 4 should be out the end of november i was told from a friend in the us.

 

[spook24]

Actually, the GPU in the PS3 is based on the G71 design, but is clocked at 550MHz and has 24 pixel shaders and TMUs, as well as 8 vertex shaders, quite a bit more powerful than a stock 7800GS which ran at 400MHz, had 16 pixel shaders, 16 TMUs, and only 6 vertex shader units. I love how you say that the PC supports a resolution up to 2560x1600 with a framerate of 60FPS but that's only if you have the highest end equipment available, many times more expensive than either a PS3 or Xbox360. In fact, even 3 Geforce GTX 280s wouldn't be capable of giving Crysis a framerate that high on such a resolution. It's like saying: "With a Ford you can drive at a top speed of 200 miles per hour" when in reality only the top end of the Ford line, the Ford GT can touch this level of speed. Also, the contrast ratio, colors, and response times of my 65" 1080p television absolutely rapes my 1920x1200 LCD monitor.

yeah your 65"" 1080p may rape your LCD @ 1920x1200 but it cost what(???) anywhere from a grand to three grand(new from a store - i worked at Best Buy). plus the xbox/ps3 @ roughly $300 plus(now), and you cant upgrade it at all. nah im good PC still wins(in my book at least). and my 7800GS was OC'd from the factory @ 425mhz core and 625 memory and i was able to clock it up to 525mhz core and 750mhz(roughly). if i had a gpuz of it still i would show you.

"NVIDIA also mentioned that the RSX offers performance stronger than two
GeForce 6800 Ultra SLI GPUs and is based on their next-generation GF70
architecture."

source - http://anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2417&p=4 (old source but still true)

not the G71(if I remember correctly this is the 7900 series GPU which was a revised version of the G70 GPU) like you mentioned. all and all at the end of the when all this is said and done with, the PS3 and my old AGP 7800GS are similar(equivalent doesn't mean exactly the same). point blank period. like i said from the beginning. oh and the memory bandwidth is only 35GB/s much slower than my 40GB/s 7800GS was.

"I love how you say that the PC supports a resolution up to 2560x1600 with a framerate of 60FPS"

actually a lot of games im running i do get 60fps+, but again im only running @ 1440x900 on a 19'' widescreen LCD. if anyone spends over a grand on a computer: its either a store bought/customize computer or its a high-end computer.

here you go - http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Build_a_Gaming_PC (for those who dont want to spend a arm and a leg for a computer) - $802.00(not including tax and shipping, if any) and it still can be upgraded and/or u can run all the next gen games that will be released in the next few years.

and to finish all this up. Crysis is a horrable game(imo). even if i had a quad-core(yes Crysis is written to utilize all 4 cores - for those who dont know) 3 gtx 280 (or 8800GT's) and 4 gigs of ram, i still dont like it the game. i played a demo(with my 7800gs agp card and my new 8800gt) of it and that was about it. my interest is geared toward Fallout 3 and Far Cry 2 and GTA 4 in November(if thats the correct time frame - which I believe it is)

 

[JeanLuc]

I can tell you now COD4 does not run at 720p on the PS3 or 360, nearer 600p. In fact most games on the next gen consoles aren't capable of being played at anything like 1080p this whole HD is nothing more then a myth IMO.

What consoles do have in their favour is that the video cards are 100% efficient compared to PC's which are about 60% efficient (according to ATI).

 

[SnareSpectre]

well i've had enough of upgrading the pc too expensive. not only that but when i bought this xps 600 just over 2 years ago it cost me 3,600 euro. now i need to upgrade to dual core. cos i can't upgrade to core 2 duo. and the graphics card needs upgrading too. so i just saved myself the money and got an xbox 360 and got it flashed hooked it up to my 22 inch crt pc monitor. graphics are excellent the same as a high end pc at the moment. just to say i don't think it makes sense spending hundreds more upgrading the pc all the time when you can just stick in a game in the xbox 360 and it runs flawlessly. i would rather play games on the pc but it's just to expensive upgrading. gta 4 should be out the end of november i was told from a friend in the us.

Yes, putting a game in the 360 means it will immediately work, but I wouldn't consider it "flawless." Look at the awful framerate drops in Mass Effect, or even a few in GTA 4. To me, there's no comparing a game at 30 fps to a game at 60 fps...the difference, in my opinion, is that at 60 fps you feel like you're actually there. And also, the graphics on a 360 really don't compare to today's computers. Nvidia now has 3 generations of GPU's that are faster (by quite a bit) than the 360...sure, the graphics look the same if you're playing on a TV that's the size of a slice of bread where both can attain 60 fps, but that's not how any of us want to play games!

 

[Gile]

PC is better because you can mod games. take example Oblivion on the console you could have only lets say 50-100 hours played but on the PC you could play 200 hours because of mods! at first i did not like oblivion but when i started to use mods it enriched my game experience I`m not a hard core gamer in fact i play games average 2 hours a day and during the Weekend 4 but i love the PC games and i think that they would make a big mistake if they did not port it to the PC

 

[thartist]

It will be announced in some time, don't be so naive.

I'll tell you; instead of going out of the PC market which supposedly is losing grip, developers (QUIETLY as Blizzard did with Mass Effect) announce and release a game for every other platform, squeeze money out of everyone and THEN announce and release it for the piracy-plagued pc as the breadcrumbs.

The logic behind this is that if they did the opposite, may would have played it pirated for pc and it wouldn't then be a strong hit for the more profitable consoles.

Cheers.

 

[Master Exon]

I will keep spending $700 dollars each year on new components for a pc . If consoles are ripping off more and more out of the pc's why didnt they rip the best thing about them ? keyboard and mouse support for firs person shooters i hate Fps on consoles so much

You think PC gaming is expensive? I disagree. $1000 every 2 or 4 years is not as expensive as $400+$600+$250 AND $10 more per game during the same generation of consoles.

 

[Heyyou27]

It will be announced in some time, don't be so naive.

I'll tell you; instead of going out of the PC market which supposedly is losing grip, developers (QUIETLY as Blizzard did with Mass Effect) announce and release a game for every other platform, squeeze money out of everyone and THEN announce and release it for the piracy-plagued pc as the breadcrumbs.

The logic behind this is that if they did the opposite, may would have played it pirated for pc and it wouldn't then be a strong hit for the more profitable consoles.

Cheers.

What does Blizzard have to do with Mass Effect? You do realize that it was developed by Bioware, right?

 

[spook24]

You think PC gaming is expensive? I disagree. $1000 every 2 or 4 years is not as expensive as $400+$600+$250 AND $10 more per game during the same generation of consoles.

dont forget that $120(4 - 3 month XBL kits) a year thats you have to have in order to play online

of course theres the $62.99 12 month kit. (not at amazon)

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_vg/002-7535437-7012010?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=Xbox+360+Live+Kit&x=0&y=0

i personally dont know what the real prices are. this is a quick look at amazon.com. so i could be wrong on the price. this IS a rough estimate. and you still have to pay for your broadband connection(roughly $30-$50/month), of course we do to but thats a different story. we dont have to pay for online fees like that. there at are finger tips.

so PC still wins

 

[San Pedro]

I'll echo the sentiment that console games really don't run in HD. Most, especially ones with good graphics are usually running under 720p, and I still read about console games which get FPS drops that affect gameplay. I haven't experienced that on a PC when I played AC or Mass Effect with settings maxed at 1680x1050.

I'll totally agree that if you're in the market for a good blu-ray player, you might as well get a PS3 so you can get firmware updates and won't have to worry if that movie will play in your old blu-ray player.

 

[fartknocker]

How can you actually seriously say the GTA games are your "favorite game titles of all time" and not know anything about their release cycles?

No GTA game since GTA3 has been simultaneously released on console and PC platforms. It does NOT happen. They release the console version, and then a year or two later the PC version is released.

Seriously though, how can you call yourself a "big fan" and not know that?

Yes it DOES happen. Rockstar had an exclusive deal with Sony for a while. The GTA Games were first released EXCLUSIVELY for the Playstation 2... followed later by the simultaneous release for XBox and Windows. Unfortunately, this release is different as the Playstation 3 and XBox 360 releases occurred at the same time. Furthermore, Microsoft probably worked a deal with Rockstar to prevent a Windows release in hopes of pushing sales of the XBox 360. Well, it's Microsoft's loss, anyway. I almost exclusively run Linux now. My GTA collection is the only reason I boot to Windows anymore, so Microsoft will not get a cent from me from this point on.

 

[Heyyou27]

dont forget that $120(4 - 3 month XBL kits) a year thats you have to have in order to play online

of course theres the $62.99 12 month kit. (not at amazon)

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_vg/002-7535437-7012010?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=Xbox+360+Live+Kit&x=0&y=0

i personally dont know what the real prices are. this is a quick look at amazon.com. so i could be wrong on the price. this IS a rough estimate. and you still have to pay for your broadband connection(roughly $30-$50/month), of course we do to but thats a different story. we dont have to pay for online fees like that. there at are finger tips.

so PC still wins

A year of Xbox Live Gold costs $50 or less depending where you buy it. At most, you'll pay $50 for it directly from Microsoft.

 

[spook24]

A year of Xbox Live Gold costs $50 or less depending where you buy it. At most, you'll pay $50 for it directly from Microsoft.

how that possible?

http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=9d02b7c6-aba4-4f9c-abd6-050188162323&type=ovr#HowToBuy

How To Buy

Order from Microsoft
This product is not available for purchase directly from Microsoft

ESRB Rating:

Platform: Xbox

"not available for purchase directly from Microsoft" i clicked every link on this section all of them said this.

http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/default.aspx?view=22&pcid=2f745577-883b-431a-8e6d-6b99e06e49ab#Xbox%20Live

if you look at the link from amazon theres a $40 12 subscription to XBL. yeah thats the cheaper way to go definitely but if you can get that lets say you have no credit card you still have to got to the store and buy it.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&ks=960&st=xbox+live&sc=Global&cp=1&sp=&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q78626f78206c697665&list=y&usc=All+Categories&nrp=15&iht=n

theres your $50 bucks a year on online playing or $20 for every 3 months which equals $80. amazon is cheaper thats a given.

but like i said i dont know what the price are these are roughly estimates and a quick search on the internet. thats all. but it still looks like it can cost up to $120 dollars for online services. again PC dont have to pay for that once you have a computer and access to the internet thats all. no extra fees for online play.

I would rather take that $50-$120/year and put it into my PC or a game or save it for a rainy day. the fact still remains games for the xbox are still $60(new titles) and you have to get the XBL kit to play online.

PC still wins - point blank period.

 

[KingLoftusXII]

PC still wins - point blank period.

Online on a PS3 is free. Period.

Grow up. Both consoles and PC's have their advantages/disadvantages. The people that truly know have both. It's about having fun - point blank period. What's fun is different for everyone.

 

[SnareSpectre]

I would agree, KingLoftusXII. I like the PC better than any other platform by far, but I admit I have a crapload of fun playing the Wii. Somehow, Nintendo tends to just make really, really fun games. Like SSB Brawl!

 

[spook24]

The people that truly know have both.

no I actually i know ppl who have both and not a PC. only thing they truly know is how to spend money and not save it. but hey its about having fun right?

 

[KingLoftusXII]

Both, as in a console and PC, not both consoles is what I meant.

 

[ddsdeaddog]

Why would someone refuse to get a console?

Hmmmm.

1. A console is similar to my PC except that it is less powerful, less capable and non-upgradeable.

2. Console games are made for kids and 'tards. Sorry, but it is true. If a game is developed for the consoles that has some appeal for the more-intelligent PC gamer, then it will be released for the PC platform and that release, these days at least, is typically superior to the console release (better visuals, extra content, improved gameplay).

3. I don't like console controllers - they feel like they were designed for someone with a few extra chromosomes.

4. I prefer not to participate in the stupidification of the species.

Ultimately, I'm also just not part of the console culture, and trust me, viewed from the outside it looks fairly ridiculous (not rediculous, as a console fan might spell it). Unemployed teenage guys standing outside in the rain for days for the privilege of plunking down $600 (at a minimum) to their corporate overlords? And I don't get the games either - Super Mega Mario something (Wasn't he the guy from Donkey Kong?), Final Fantasy XXXVII, The latest childish "Gritty" FPS (Now with extra Grit!) and HALO3 - THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME AND YOU'D BETTER NOT DISAGREE WITH ME 'CAUSE ITS REALLY THE BEST EVER!

I totaly agree with everything you have said 110% right. oh and yea... i live in a free country so if you want to argu with me..... **** OF!

 

[axlrose]

i'm really disappointed with gaming on the pc, which is really hard to swallow since i just sunk nearly $5000 into a new computer for gaming (which sucks) and hd tv (which i wan't watch because of the problems with cablecards? only the local channels, apparently no way to watch espnhd on a computer).

i had to realize a few days ago that rock band 2 and the new guitar heroes aren't going to be available on pc and i came here just now because i just got done reading that madden 09 suddenly won't be released on pc and now there's no gta IV either?

what's the deal with this?

 

[SnareSpectre]

i'm really disappointed with gaming on the pc, which is really hard to swallow since i just sunk nearly $5000 into a new computer for gaming (which sucks) and hd tv (which i wan't watch because of the problems with cablecards? only the local channels, apparently no way to watch espnhd on a computer).

i had to realize a few days ago that rock band 2 and the new guitar heroes aren't going to be available on pc and i came here just now because i just got done reading that madden 09 suddenly won't be released on pc and now there's no gta IV either?

what's the deal with this?

But all the games you just mentioned are reasons to go the console route instead of the PC route! Rock Band and Guiat Hero would not only be kind of difficult to play on PC, but they're not very graphically-intensive...a $5,000 computer would just destroy those games!

 

[mothhive]

i'm really disappointed with gaming on the pc, which is really hard to swallow since i just sunk nearly $5000 into a new computer for gaming (which sucks) and hd tv (which i wan't watch because of the problems with cablecards? only the local channels, apparently no way to watch espnhd on a computer).

i had to realize a few days ago that rock band 2 and the new guitar heroes aren't going to be available on pc and i came here just now because i just got done reading that madden 09 suddenly won't be released on pc and now there's no gta IV either?

what's the deal with this?

The old addage "More money than sense" leaps to mind. You spent $5000 on a PC to play games that the Wii could run without breaking a sweat (Excluding GTA IV since none of the consoles can run it well and it will be coming to PC anyway) and you hadn't even checked they were actually being released for PC? In future, just buy a console and use the vast wads of cash you obviosuly have lying around in abundance on something you'd actually be able to use (crash helmets and wall padding?).

 

[spook24]

Both, as in a console and PC, not both consoles is what I meant.

i knew what u meant. im just saying i know ppl who bought both consoles and didnt spend that money and have a all-in-one pc(its there choice and money i know) that plays the same games(except console exclusive games which are few and far in-between) at better resolution, frame rate and over-all quality. yeah sure you might not be able to play on a 65'' 1080pLCD (and really from what i am understanding you get less than 720p with a console) but who has room; money; and wants a 65'' TV when its only going to get used sometimes(i dont watch tv and if i did thats why i have a TV tuner card).

to be completely honest if you own a tv that big im sorry our either old and/or like sports; have more money than brains; or 12 years old and are lying about it. its your money to spend not mine. im happy with my 19'' windscreen LCD and like the games and hassle(updates; service packs; patches; etc...) that comes with any pc

down the road i learn more from the hassle of have to diagnose a PC problem rather than turn on and off a little box. in fact i can go to school for a few years and get a job and support a family with that knowledge. can you? no u cant.


PC still wins. period

oh and as far as spending $5000 on a pc dont buy into DELL build your own at 3/4 of the price. i dont care how much and what you have i can build that same computer for under $1500 ''tax, tag, title'' out the door and in my living room.

heres a little wiki on how to do that:

http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Build_a_Gaming_PC

 

[spook24]

oh and just checking my RSS reader i saw this:

http://www.destructoid.com/grand-theft-auto-iv-to-pc-confirmed-96763.phtml

it will be on the PC.

and sry about the dbl post this was too great to pass up.

 

[KingLoftusXII]

To be completely honest, if you own a TV that big I'm sorry, you're either old and/or like sports; have more money than brains; or 12 years old and are lying about it. It's your money to spend not mine. I'm happy with my 19'' windscreen LCD and like the games and hassle(updates; service packs; patches; etc...) that comes with any PC
In fact, I can go to school for a few years and get a job and support a family with that knowledge. Can you? No YOU cant.


PC still wins. Period

You're a complete dolt. Go to school to learn English before you go to school to support a family. I have a 110" screen because I can. Get over it and enjoy your 19" LCD that happens to be about a foot smaller than my picture screen in the program guide. You're clearly young. An opinion doesn't end in a "period", it ends in a question mark. Dummy.