Roundup: Mainstream Graphics Cards From ATI And Nvidia

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Bloodblender

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All I can say is that Tom's recent articles have been an excellent read, and this exactly the stuff I (as well as many others) require for their research purposes. Keep up the great work!
 

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the iceQ concept is amazing. keeps my 3870s nice and chilly (70C) while hardcore gaming
and not to mention they both look intimidating in my case ;)
 
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to me the gaming benches are most important but energy efficiency and heat dissipation run a close 2nd. thanks for providing it all!
 

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Newegg has quite a few 4850s that retail for $100 and it appears to be getting consistently better benchmarks than the 4770. I am confused as to why you would not recommend it over the 4770. Perhaps you are confused by simple maths.
 

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[citation][nom]Pij[/nom]Quick question - 4770 in crossfire or single 4890 best bet???..[/citation]
They already did a whole article on that...
 

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I don't understand why you still won't use the 1GB version of the Radeon 4870. It's clear to me that the card is limited by it's amount of video memory when using hi-res, AA and AF.
Searching for prices in US and Europe it retails cheaper than the GTX260(192 or 216).
The point is: the card should be included in the test just as the GTX260-216. It's clearly a better option than the 512 mb version and it's good for comparison!
 

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makes it a control to make sure they are only ratting the graphics cards and not the cpu. makes sure the GPUS are the limiting factor
 

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something is bothering me. i have left 4 dead, and when i play it at 8xAA, 16xAF, i get higher frame rates then you do(close to 100). i have a 4830 and the res i play at is 1440x900. i know its not the same as 1650x1050, but the extra AA and AF should at least keep them close, but i get over 20fps more then your 4850! i don't have a fancy i7 and still. my 4830 is clocked at 700/1000. did you set the aa/af in the drivers or in-game, because in-game is almost always better.
 

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[citation][nom]bucifer[/nom]I don't understand why you still won't use the 1GB version of the Radeon 4870. It's clear to me that the card is limited by it's amount of video memory when using hi-res, AA and AF. Searching for prices in US and Europe it retails cheaper than the GTX260(192 or 216).The point is: the card should be included in the test just as the GTX260-216. It's clearly a better option than the 512 mb version and it's good for comparison![/citation]


Sorry I thought the article was 'mainstream graphics cards' not 4890 vs 2x4770's in crossfire ! Blimey I must be going mad.
 

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They already did a whole article on that...


Sorry I thought the article was 'mainstream graphics cards' not 4890 vs 2x4770's in crossfire ! Blimey I must be going mad.

 

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[citation][nom]Julianbreaker[/nom]Newegg has quite a few 4850s that retail for $100 and it appears to be getting consistently better benchmarks than the 4770. I am confused as to why you would not recommend it over the 4770. Perhaps you are confused by simple maths.[/citation]

The only reason that I could think of wherein the 4770 is better, is the smaller manufacturing process which should make it cooler and consume less power. Though if raw performance is your concern, the 4850 may be better.

[citation][nom]holodust[/nom]Nice article, but I don't see how testing these cards on i7 920@3.8 fits into mainstream.[/citation]

They usually do it on the highest rig they have to eliminate as much possible bottlenecks as possible. I think they were just making sure that video card's respective scores do not flat-out (i.e. the GTX 275, 260, 4870 and 4890 displaying the same scores when they are clearly a bit different hardware). Ideally even on lower-end hardware this chart should still show the same order in terms of performace, though you'd probably lose a few fps.
 

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gee, a thumbs down for asking a question, interesting crowd huh. no, all my driver settings are set to "application settings: and i can visually confirm that the AA is indeed working. i think its just a different level. the frame rates i was quoting was from the rooftop part.
 

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[citation][nom]amnotanoobie[/nom]They usually do it on the highest rig they have to eliminate as much possible bottlenecks as possible. I think they were just making sure that video card's respective scores do not flat-out (i.e. the GTX 275, 260, 4870 and 4890 displaying the same scores when they are clearly a bit different hardware). Ideally even on lower-end hardware this chart should still show the same order in terms of performace, though you'd probably lose a few fps.[/citation]

well then it begs the question, which card is more platform limited. I mean the driver may scale differently with CPU power, so the card winning on the overclocked i7 may actualy be the worst on a stock PII X3 720 BE, or X2 550 BE.

thus testing mainstream GPUs on high-end platforms has a flaw here ...
 

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Pij your IQ is below the sea level.
[citation][nom]masterjaw[/nom]Nice article here. Most importantly, no unnecessary bias included.[/citation]
As for this statement I have one OBVIOUS mention. Why did they use The Last Remnant for testing again?
 

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[citation][nom]haplo602[/nom]well then it begs the question, which card is more platform limited. I mean the driver may scale differently with CPU power, so the card winning on the overclocked i7 may actualy be the worst on a stock PII X3 720 BE, or X2 550 BE.thus testing mainstream GPUs on high-end platforms has a flaw here ...[/citation]

That's the problem with computers. They can't test every combination of hardware/software. So they go with the best they can. It's not a flaw with their testing, it's a flaw with the reality of computer hardware.
 
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Sorry but no, if you make a mainstream gaphics cards review at least have the decency to show some benchmarks using a real mainstream pc
 
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