RuneScape Exposed Part 2

[Atolsammeek]

let look at some of the url you provided.

http://www.glendaledailyplanet.com/glendale_events.htm

Velma Teague Branch Library


Glendale, Arizona –Velma Teague Branch Library, 7010 N. 58th Ave., is planning the following free activities for young adults, ages 12-18, in April:

There are gardians there Teachers and such. As long as parents give out a ok I am fine. The Awards are fun to make. I made them before.

http://www.ckls.org/~crippel/runescape/teams.html

Age? By the Writing it Middle school Like the last urls.

http://www.nfls.lib.wi.us/one/kids.htm

got to love this one

©2000-2006 Neopets, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Used With Permission

Also at the bottem read the Chat rules.

http://zeesays.blogspot.com/2007/03/celebrate-teen-tech-week-with-runescape.html

I can t beleave my eyes Basicly what I been saying in the Frist Place read the bold print.

One thing to be cautious of is that Runescape is explicitly for players 13 and up. There are a ton of people who play that are not 13, but they are not supposed to play without a parent in the room. Also, parents are asked to create the accounts for players under the age of 13. There is chatting in the game and younger children who aren’t aware of internet security issues could unknowingly put themselves in danger.

http://www.examiner-enterprise.com/articles/2005/08/25/lifestyles_and_entertainment/c516.txt

Sounds like Middle school 12 to 15 year olds. If the parents give the 12 a ok No skin off my nose.

http://pcl-teentalk.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html

If you look at the Url it says Teentalk so I am guessing it Teens not children. Oh one more thing. Runescape is on! The last contest session will be held Saturday, Nov. 25, 2-4pm. Come to the library for details. Could it be Age rule? 13 or older? Mybe I miss something.

http://www.cclc.vic.gov.au/news/whatson.html#runescape

To celebrate National Youth Week 2007, the City of Casey Youth Services will be holding a Runescape Computer Playoff!

If you are computer savvy and up for a challenge, then come and play Runescape, show your skills, have fun and WIN some PRIZES!

Sure sounds like you have to be with other adults to play the game. Who going to drive you? Can you say Parent. Please note children age babys to 15 can not drive?

http://als.lib.wi.us/07%20March%20All%20Library%20Calender.pdf
says 12 to 18

Runescape Club tuesday, March 6, 13, 20, 27 from 4 to 6 pm
From age 12 to 18 runescape is a online role playng game set in a era similar to the middle ages. Please read the note. NOTE participents must have a register and have a libary card with Internet Permission on it

Meaning What sitse they are to log into What age group and so on can we say parent control again?

http://www.myhamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/6698A178-629C-4CD9-A30C-BE6773BCC55B/0/MarchBreak2007.pdf

Runescape ages 12 and up Create a character and explore the rustic town of lumbrge with nice nine other players in the same room at the same time Space is limited Register by Phone. Starting march 5 Wednesday March 14, 2 to 3 p.m or 3-4 Pm Computer training Room.

You really think a teacher going to leave 9 kids in a room alone by them self.

http://www.ckls.org/gaming/runehutch.html

Funny I did not see any rules on age The other sites requre parent concent seem not to have anything on rules. Or age.

http://www.oshkoshpubliclibrary.org/familysafety.html

I did like this part. Something the parents should look at frist?

Family Safety Guide
Personal Safety for Children

Learn what you can do to keep your child safe - links to Personal Safety for Children Guide announced by President Bush, missing children websites, nationwide Amber Alert Plan, Identification Kits and more.

Oh let not forget this one on the same page

Internet Safety for Children

Discover ways to keep your family safe when using the Internet!

Internet Access Policy

Public Access Internet Procedures

Parents & Teachers
Kids & Teens

Could your family pass an Internet Safety Awareness Test? This resource guide will help you find websites and library materials with tips on Internet safety, finding filtering software, reporting a cybercrime, and keeping current with lnternet laws. Also features websites rated safe for kids.
Play interactive Internet safety games available at Disney.com and other great kids' websites to test your Internet knowledge. Challenge your friends and see if you have what it takes to pass an Internet Safety Quiz! Also features links to great search engines and websites for more fun!



What funny about this all is everyone I seen on here is over 12 If they where 12 they where ask for concent on websites. Some one had to drive them and given concent.

Here what get me. when I was a child. Each time part of the school would go somewhere we had to get parent concent forum always. It funny how My Sister child age 5 who in school and they go to a park to learn he bring home a concent forum. Are you all so blind to this fact?

One more fact There always been a adult playing with the children on the same game or watching over the children. It kinda funny you all keep Missing that part.

Any game I order now of days has a rating battlefeild deluxe edtion Online machine guns to anti tank guns to air fights. Teen. violence

Also a online game Dungeon siege Teen. Blood and gore

Civilization 4 everyone vilence 10+

Every game I posted you can play online.

 

[Nobody1979]

Even worse, not only does Jagex not fix problems that they could, they even suppress attempts by players to warn each other about them. Consider player-owned houses, in which players are supposed to be able to engage in safe combat. Jagex claims that, and I quote, "you cannot die in your house or a friend's house. If you die you will respawn safely and retain all items."

This was a huge bug that happened june 6th 2006 and was fixed in hours. You can see the video on youtube.com. It was addressed and publicly announced. Many accounts were eraced as a result of people taking advantage of the abuse of the bug. since that date I have yet to hear about this bug.

I adminaster and am a member of alot of clan sites. Though I am only truely a member of my own clan. I have yet to hear of another "True" item loss from any further discoverd bugs. These accounts usually turn out to be malicious scammers in clan forums and are weeded out fast.

For a long time, RuneScape players received conflicting answers from Jagex about whether this was allowed. This all changed on February 22, 2007, but in a way that stunned the ethical players of RuneScape: Jagex declared that luring into the Wilderness was legal and would no longer be a reportable offense.

True, though they have also revoked this decition just recently as you mentioned. The thing is the wilds in a game like this is actually a great thing. People have argued this with me yet I have never lost one argument about it. No one can argue my logic on this topic. The wilds is the ultamite tool for discovering who your firends really are. I mean its truely sad that you have to lose potentually a tremendious amount to discover this. You really find out who your friends are when your out there though. The thing is even in life you dont know who your friends are till your down on your luck. If someone takes you out when they claim your their friend, well obviously you just learned that the guy is not your friend. Live and learn. Nothing in the game is truely impossable to obtain, Well short of some of the rares like the phats etc. If you cant afford to lose something, than quite simply you dont take the risk.

The chat filter is portrayed as being very effective when it is anything but.

Actually this is pretty untrue.
1. You have the ability to put anyone in your ignore list. Once there you no longer hear anything they say and vice versa.
2. You can compleatly block all public conversation. Thus only friends in your list can read what your saying.
3. You can Block friends only for those times where you just want the people around you to chat with. Like when your on a quest with someone and you dont want the croud around you filling the screen with chatter your not conserned with.
4. You can chose to block everyone. This is when your just doing something like mining and fishing and dont want to be conserned with everyones foolery, or when you just want to concentrait on it.

Unfortunatly alot of people who do 2 and 4 fall prey to being reported as "autoers". I cant tell you how many times ive been in voice chat with a clan mate and we were both mining or wood cutting and they tell me someones threatening to report me for autoing unless I say something.

This leads me to another rebuttle about your articals. Autoers are being rutinely stopped by jagex. The bulk of the autoers were from runescape classic. Thus destroying the joys I had in that version of the game.

Ive played this game close to 6 or 7 years. I was one of the origonal 100k members. I have the santa hat and a full set of the masks. I never bought them.
"I was there."
I will never sell them and routinly refer to them as my "useless badges of honer". I love telling people when they ask.
"How Much did you pay for them"
"Nothing I was there when they dropped" because its always fallowed with.
"How much are they worth?".
"LOL, 1g even high alcked"
(High alck is a term for a spell referd to as High alcomy, used on items it turns the item into the most amount of gold you can get for it in a store). I enjoy telling them that they actually dont want one because it automaticly makes your account a prime target for being hacked.

Alot of stuff in these 2 articals are atleast partially true. I beleive most is over the top. Though I must concied your point about the schoolastic portion. That was the only part in both articals I didn't go "eah... sorta". That point did outright shock me and made me a little dissapointed in jagex ethics. :x I'm not even going to try to deffend jagex for that one That did shake my faith in jagex some

That aside though, alot of fault stems in the parents. To oftain parents let video games and telivision replace babysitting and parenting. Ive oftain been asked by parents to recomend MMORPGS and chat lines to them that are appropriate to kids. I always tell them runescape. I also tell them to play it themselves aswell for 2 reasons.

1. Talk about an easy way to bond with your kid. (Something alot of parents these days dont know how to do or dont want to do)
2. If their kids are hyper or immature they may fall prey to the behaviours you mentioned that really apply to every online game I know.

Belive me I know alot of them. I probably lost count 6 years ago. Still though to this day, even reading your artical I still have to say runescape is the least one to worry about in "The Relm of Evils"

I have heard many great stories about the good this game has done for people. Kids whos reading and writeing skills that dramaticly improved over short times. Even a friend of mine who compleatly quite smoking because of this game and has been off smoking now for 2 years.

I've even contributed to alot of additude changes in the game, and in a very simple manner. Finding new players and giving them basic items to help them improve their ability in the game and giving them a little extra tutoring. When asked why I'm being so helpful I tell them.

"Theres alot of good people and bad people in this game. I'm hoping to make you one of the good people. For all the help i'm giving you I only ask one thing from you. "Pay it forward". Just help 3 or 4 people the same way I have helped you is all I ask. I'm only doing this once and were probably never going to see each other again. I am going to just trust you will do as I asked when you get to be in a position of power to do so. Also please dont go around advertising I did this for you. I dont respond to people asking me for free stuff when asked through freinds chat and no I'm not adding you to my friends list. This is just a random kindness I do once or twice a week."

Ive no doubt given away millions in this way, and I have no doubt that maybe only 10% did what I asked them to do. Though I have seen low lvls bragging to people. "Wow someone just gave me a set of iron and showed me some tricks to starting out." I like to think it was someone I once helped out.

Because I do this now and than its even saved my pixalated bottom once. When I was out in the deep wilds mining, I was suddenly surrounded by a pking team. One of its members stopped their clan from attacking me because I was "An old friend"

In closing I just like to say while like every other online game out there. Runescape does have its problems. I, my clan, and the vast majority who I have passed these articals onto find your artical to be honest but mostly over the top. The only 2 things you mentioned to be truely credible being your bit about the schoolastic book and some parts about the parental guide being somewhat od\f a dissapointing marketing ploy.

~Nobody1979~ Leader of The_Nobodys

Edit: Oh did I recive crud for forgetting this. There is a 3rd things we agree with you on. The part about the customer support box LOL. That is a joke. When you are hacked Jagex has an issue with how you can report it.

Your account has been hacked and you had your password changed. NO PROBLEM... just login and tell us about it. ROFL hello! Cant login, passwords been changed and I cant remember my recovery questions I filled in so long ago.

I forgot to bring this point up because its never happened to me. Yes, I have been hacked once. I knew my recovery questions though. I emailed them to a secret email address I use for nothing but stuff like this. Not many people are as securtity minded as me and so are screwed though. Jagex wont listen to anyone but the accounts user so theres no way to file a complaint. The problems in game are going to always be there. Companies have spent milions or billions trying to fight it. and I have seen jagex's efforts. They do need EXTREAM SURGURY on their customer support though! The in game problems most players can handle. Though jagex really needs to step up its customer service.

 

[oSDarkness]

I would still like to ask Pauly why she isn't ragging on miniclip for having games that "deseseitise kids" with violence. Some games on there are more violent than Runescape. So please, tell me?

Those libraries have looked at Runescape, and deemed it appropriate for those age groups. The violence, is well tame. Gambling? Hell, atleast they aren't out with their friends gambling. Everything else falls under "Game experiance may change during online play" The stuff Jagex can't control, so it falls on the player to report people who do bad things.

Jagex has hundreds of thousands of players, they will get to those reports. Just because the game can't be all safe and happy for people to sit their kids infront of a computer to be babysited by, doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer.

Chances are, kids are messed up way before they even hit age five. Do your kids go to public school? If they do, they experiance alot more then what they do on Runescape. Strong profanity, sex talk, bullies, etc. Runescape has a cencor, that cencors words that aren't even bad. But life doesn't have a cencor.

Lets all go onto a broader spectrum.

Supreme Commander: E 10+ for violence.
Description:Scale: Witness tiny assault bots get crushed underfoot by towering mega units, or watch as smaller attack bombers try in desperation to bring down a gigantic experimental unit.

Yeah, and Runescape is bad..

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: E 10+ For violence
I don't need to say much..we all know what Ninjas do.

Lego Star Wars: E 10+
Don't see dismemberment in Runescape do we? Even if they are lego people.

I don't think I need to say more..

This all comes down to the parents responsability. You can't teach other peoples children whats right unless you are extremely lucky. You can teach your own children whats right, and trust them to do it. Don't leave it to a game company whos job is to entertain. They are going to think up ideas that they believe would be entertaining. Jagex aren't babysitters, if you don't want your kids playing Runescape because you think it has innapropriate content, then don't let them. You can spread the word that you think Runescape is innapropriate, but people will either, A. Laugh at you. Or B. Agree with you.

Last comment,

"Game experiance may change during online play."

You can't control what people say, when, where, or how. Thats why alot of games have ingame cencors and reporting systems. Simple solution? Don't let kids play online games if you don't want them to see, hear, and do stuff you wouldn't want them to do in real life.

I'm done.

 

[Atolsammeek]

Well One think I been lucky is being Hacked. But I only go on a few websites that deal with runescape.

Never use your runescape password in any other site.

Dont use password that have your callsign in it. One person had Mike121 Just making the name up but the password was like 21mike21 so he was hack due to his own fault

Other thing I notice is people dont dont use many antivirus programs and anti spyware.

See There freeware like http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
http://lavasoft.com/ Both freeware and best to have a main antivirus program. Like system suite or Nortion.

Why so many? Well frist ask this question. If one doctor seid your going to die are you going to beleave him or you going to another doctor for a view? Me I would look into another doctor.

 

[charlesk]

For those who are at all interested, I have cleaned up and formally launched my RuneScape-related site, TruthScape. Even if you disagree with my views you will likely find a lot of useful information on avoiding item scams, account hacking and lures, which I don't believe has been gathered into one place before.

c

 

[paulyts50]

AtolSammeek


If you weren’t so lazy , you would edit/find Runescape on the sites I gave. (after all you said you were a computer tech) But you go ahead and argue with yourself, because I am pretty sure the mature adults are leaving. You are making a good point that Runescape can be very bad for you. (Are you really, honestly an adult?)

http://www.glendaledailyplanet.com/glendale_events.htm:

What it really says is...
Saturday, April 7
RuneScape Club Pick the time that is best for you, from 1-2 p.m. or from 2-3 p.m., on Saturday, Apr. 7 at Velma Teague Branch Library, 7010 N. 58th Ave., to take part in the “RuneScape Club.” If you are between the ages of 10-15 and you want to escape into a world of fantasy, where you become an adventurer and play with thousands of other gamers, then this event is perfect for you. The RuneScape Club will be held one Saturday a month.

(really glad I quit the game...and not missing the hostile, scamming, ugly environment one iota...do not reply to me please, I won't be back to read your drivel .....buh bye)

 

[Atolsammeek]

Hay paulyts50 why not email them and see what they tell you.
I am guessing they will tell you they have to have a parent concent.

(really glad I quit the game...and not missing the hostile, scamming, ugly environment one iota...do not reply to me please, I won't be back to read your drivel .....buh bye)

Well sorry to say as long as you post here you will have to deal with me.

Oh I did find a fault on TruthScape and I am reporting it to runescape.


You know how you say custermerr support really bad.

I email them

I found this online and I want to know if it ture Runescape offical Handbook.

http://www.amazon.com/RuneScape-Official-Handbook-Tracey-West/dp/0439877725

If you endore it I would guess it would of been on the forums and you would be selling it.

04-Apr-2007 02:27

Dear Atol,

Jagex Mod which I leave blank.
Thanks for the question.
This is indeed the official guide which was written by Jagex. We recommend it to anyone wanting to get a better understanding of the world of Runescape. You will also notice it is very affordable.

The reason it is on amazon is because we are selling it from there.

Thanks for your interest in this.

Any further questions please don't hesitate to get back in touch.

05-Apr-2007 10:18



This prove the book liget. But depending on a queston or answer.

It also Proves Jagex answers pritty fast. being ban and such is differnt. How many people are ban a month?
How many report do jagex have to research per day.
How many people say they where wrongly Ban? I say about 99%

 

[charlesk]

AtolSammeek,

Once again, I can barely understand what you are saying.

If you find a flaw on TruthScape I fail to see what the point is of reporting it to Jagex. It would make more sense to tell me, so I can fix it. :roll:

And thank you for further confirmation that the book that others are saying is not official really is.

Finally, you just violated Jagex's rules by posting their message here. 😉

c

 

[Atolsammeek]

So did you Let see Writing a website about another company with out ther knowlage concent. Very cool. All the Runescape help sites go by the same rule. What I am guessing is you where Block from Runescape chat. So to fight back you and Pualy made a site to bash Runescape.

It funny how you go there alot of scamming and such. I been scammed 1 time in 5 years. why? Becuse after the frist time I learn from the mistake.

Let ask this Why dont you have any shots or videos where you where scammed. Why dont you have the Picture of the Wilderness Warning? Could it be that it would discredit your site and luring. The 9 Pictures show areas Nothing More.

One thing that gets me is your gun ho on the wilderness. But you do not talk about the warning Popup.

Kinda hard to miss.

WARNING YOU ARE ABOUT TO ENTER THE WILDERNESS!!! ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK.

If I have to I will post it on here so everyone see the ture facts. I can do it in all the points of entry to the wilderness. Oh let not forget. Runescape stops you before you hit the wilderness. and you have to click the X button on the Notice. So people know there close.

Why is it that onesided people pick out what they want to show on the website. In your case the bad side 5% ture Yet when someone points out here Flaws you start pouting.

I wonder what would happen if someone made a topic the Turthscape exposed. Then start posting stuff you do not list that could help people.

Let see 12 year olds with parent note and older and learning how to work as a team. Oh ya that so bad.

You know best idea is go after My space and there problems. At least there People died in real life or did the unthinkable to children.

 

[charlesk]

So did you Let see Writing a website about another company with out ther knowlage concent. Very cool. All the Runescape help sites go by the same rule. What I am guessing is you where Block from Runescape chat. So to fight back you and Pualy made a site to bash Runescape.

I have no idea what you are rambling about.

I do not require Jagex's permission to put up a website about Runescape.

Pauly was not involved in TruthScape except tangentially, I am to blame for whatever you dislike there.

And I don't even know what "Runescape chat" is much less being 'blocked' from it. :roll:

It funny how you go there alot of scamming and such.

There is. Go on the Runescape forums sometime and educate yourself.

Let ask this Why dont you have any shots or videos where you where scammed. Why dont you have the Picture of the Wilderness Warning? Could it be that it would discredit your site and luring. The 9 Pictures show areas Nothing More.

I haven't had time to put up images yet, and I haven't been scammed in ages.

Kinda hard to miss.

It's easy to miss. For one thing, it comes up even if you never go in the Wild -- then, when you actually do, you never see it.

This is the basis for many scams, yet Jagex refuses to fix it.

If I have to I will post it on here so everyone see the ture facts. I can do it in all the points of entry to the wilderness.

Again, I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

I wonder what would happen if someone made a topic the Turthscape exposed. Then start posting stuff you do not list that could help people.

Feel free. Anything I feel that can help people that I've missed I will add to the site.

You know best idea is go after My space and there problems. At least there People died in real life or did the unthinkable to children.

I don't use Myspace or know much about it. If you do, feel free to start your own site.

c

 

[oSDarkness]

Atol, go read his site before rambling on about the wilderness sign. I don't think Charles has the time to go over that again and again forum after forum. The rest of what you wrote, can you translate that into English please? I don't understand what you just said.


I have a question, why is it that the author says not to give out any personal information, here read what he has to say about it. http://www.truthscape.com/html/ts_KeepingPersonalInformationPrivate.htm

"Here are some of the personal details you should never share with others:

Name (any part of it).


Home, school or work addresses.


Home, school or work phone numbers (including cell phone numbers).


Home, school or work email addresses.


Instant messenger names or numbers. Use the RuneScape chat.


MySpace page names or other personal Web pages (this is also against the rules).


Credit card numbers or other account numbers.


Age. There are two reasons for this. First, it can be used to help identify you when combined with other information. Second, it may increase the chances of you being targeted for abuse: children and teens may become the targets for predators, while adults are often harassed by younger players."

Ok, thats a real good guide there. However..

http://www.truthscape.com/faq.htm

Why is it ok for the author to give out alot of personal information? Could it be because he wants to get attention? Or what?

 

[charlesk]

Why is it ok for the author to give out alot of personal information?

1. My site is not the Runescape game.

2. I am offering the information freely as an adult, knowing the potential risks. It's a choice I have made.

3. It's not easy to have a high-profile web site while hiding one's identity.

4. TruthScape is linked from my TwitchGuru articles, where I am identified by name. There is also common material, so it would be easy to figure out anyway.

5. If I attempted to stay anonymous, this would put me in a position to be blackmailed by people who don't like me or the site and would figure out who I was.

6. Trying to remain anonymous would rightly lead to accusations by some that I had something to hide.

c

 

[oSDarkness]

2. I am offering the information freely as an adult, knowing the potential risks. It's a choice I have made.

Ok, so you've accepted the risks of putting your family at danger by doing so?

If I attempted to stay anonymous, this would put me in a position to be blackmailed by people who don't like me or the site and would figure out who I was.

How could you be blackmailed if you are "anonymous"?

3. It's not easy to have a high-profile web site while hiding one's identity.

Why is that?

Trying to remain anonymous would rightly lead to accusations by some that I had something to hide.

So, because you would look less credible if you didn't have, your full name, what state you live in, who you live with, etc. You wouldn't look credible? More or less, why did you put your full name on the tip.it forums? That one is really unnecisary, and can only be seen as an attention getter.

1. My site is not the Runescape game.

I don't understand that at all.

TruthScape is linked from my TwitchGuru articles, where I am identified by name. There is also common material, so it would be easy to figure out anyway.

Yeah, but you still didn't need to add where you live, and who you live with. Thats just begging for something bad to happen.

By adding all this information to uneccisary places, it makes you look less credible. Alot of people I know have been thinking you only put all that information (not your name) on your site, and tip.it just for attention.

 

[charlesk]

Ok, so you've accepted the risks of putting your family at danger by doing so?

This isn't my first web site, I've had a fairly high-profile online personna for a decade.

How could you be blackmailed if you are "anonymous"?

As soon as you try to keep something a secret, someone will find it out and try to hold it over you. I am not interested in putting myself in that position.

Why is that?

For various reasons I don't really feel like getting into here.

So, because you would look less credible if you didn't have, your full name, what state you live in, who you live with, etc. You wouldn't look credible? More or less, why did you put your full name on the tip.it forums? That one is really unnecisary, and can only be seen as an attention getter.

All of that information is available publicly, it's not a secret.

As for my tip.it signature, I put my name there to identify myself as the author and owner of the site. I felt that was necessary in the interest of honest disclosure.

By adding all this information to uneccisary places, it makes you look less credible. Alot of people I know have been thinking you only put all that information (not your name) on your site, and tip.it just for attention.

I don't really understand your objections.

What do I possibly have to gain from this "attention", as you put it?

c

 

[oSDarkness]

Anyways, thanks for clearing up that issue, somehow. I have now succeded in getting this way off topic. Sorry about that.

Good bye.

 

[oSDarkness]

Anyways, thanks for clearing up that issue, somehow. I have now succeded in getting this way off topic. Sorry about that.

Good bye.


P.S Your article didn't change Jagex' minds about luring. Nic Crowe and Simon Bradford talked to Jagex before, and Jagex made the changes. So don't go boasting about that your article was the soul thing that changed Jagex' minds, because it wasn't. It may have helped them make the change, but you alone did not change it. Alot of people helped change it. If you have no idea what I am talking about, then I won't be suprised.

You want to know why I am here? Because I felt you have discredited the people who helped change Jagex' minds about luring by saying that your article changed their minds. You said what YOU did. Not what WE did.

The only thing we wanted to stop was luring. We didn't care about the gambling and the violence, did you expect all of us to agree with your article? I certainly hope not.

I'm leaving now.

 

[charlesk]

P.S Your article didn't change Jagex' minds about luring. Nic Crowe and Simon Bradford talked to Jagex before, and Jagex made the changes.

Uh-huh. And you know this how, exactly?

Also, guess who it was who TOLD Nic Crowe and Simon Bradford about Jagex's decision to make luring legal? It was a few people including myself who raised the issue.

So don't go boasting about that your article was the soul thing that changed Jagex' minds, because it wasn't. It may have helped them make the change, but you alone did not change it.

I never said anywhere that my article was the "sole thing that changed Jagex's minds". In fact, I never said that my article was responsible at all, only that it might have been.

Because I felt you have discredited the people who helped change Jagex' minds about luring by saying that your article changed their minds. You said what YOU did. Not what WE did.

Again, I never did what you are accusing me of.

The only thing we wanted to stop was luring. We didn't care about the gambling and the violence, did you expect all of us to agree with your article? I certainly hope not.

It's rather ironic that you are trying to act like the spokesperson of some mysterious, unnamed "we", in light of your earlier criticisms.

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[Advent_Cloud]

I like your runescape article and the website that has been made to warn people about issues in rs. Although im not a parent i also do not like the community of runescape because it seems that as time passes, the scamming, verbal abuse and rude behavior just continues to increase.

I have been playing runescape for 2 and 1/2 years now and i can honestly say that when i first started playing there wasnt much of this behavior around. As the time passed, it just grew and money and power were the 2 mostly important things rather than having a good time and making new friends.

I also agree that jagex dont make enough of an effort to respond properly to problems or scams. An example of this would be that i sent an email to jagex about a problem and about 2 weeks later i got an email saying something along the lines of "Sorry we took so long to reply but as runescapes community grows we dont have enough time to reply to all the emails quickly". Then is was some rubbish about "Why not become a member? Theres are more things to do,.....etc" well you get the point. About 6 months later i sent another email about another issue and i got the exact email sent to me about 3 weeks later of writing my email to them.

It just seems to me that they have an auto email reply program or something to all emails sent to them and they put a delay on it so it reaches your inbox a couple weeks later. I mean its pretty pathetic if its an auto generated email, then why dont they just send it straight away so that we know they dont care.

Im not sure what the "why not consider becoming a member" has to do with anything besides them wanting you to join so they can make more money, but even so im not sure that of you are a member, you get better service because ive never been a member because of the poor service, which was the only thing holding me back.

I have also used the report feature countless amounts of times for all the scams i have encountered and verbal abuse. I think of that feature as a feature which makes you think that you have been heard but in reality its probably just a message box and when you click 'done' or whatever it just deletes what you wrote and closes the box.

They say that they have anti macro programs running to stop people cheating, some of this is actually true to my surprise because my friends and i decided to test it, and it worked but it only works for certain macros. This is because if you go to any area which has trees for example and its close to a bank you WILL see at the least 1 level 3 char chopping wood. Sometimes ive seen 4 in a bunch, but they are all level 3 and have nothing on them, just a plain bronze axe which is worth nothing.

I said hi to them but they didnt reply. Then a random event happened and a tree spirit came and killed one of them. He didnt even run and continued chopping and then died. Proof of a macro i say. I reported them and they next day i saw them there again.

Anyways i think the runescape community is getting worse and worse everyday while jagex just sits there and counts their money. I hope if your a runescape player you realize the reality and if you keep playing goodluck to you because i just couldnt take it anymore and i quit about 1 year now. Theres nothing fun to do anymore and you cant make new friends because all they care about is what items you've got and how much money you have.

 

[Atolsammeek]

Question is this How long dose it take to Find who Autoing Sorry people Runescape Autoing blocking take take time.

Here what runescape has to do.

1 Watch reports
2 Check IP Address Alot of times the same useing more then one computer. Or one computer Running Runescape in differnt worlds.
3 Research and try to find the Autoer Program that the users is useing.
4 Each Nick can have a differnt Email. So someone could be useing 2 to 3 computers to run like 4 to 8 nicks at once. Why? Computers now use Dual core or Quad core cpus. Which is good at mulitasking.
5 Then Ban Them. Once they find the signs of autoing. They block that program and ban.

Cable and dsl tend to have the same Ip Address in the Same area. Called shared IP. Basicly a friend next door could log on and it would be the same IP Address as Mine. You get something like h546.167.2.12netzero.com But if everyone in the area has Netzero in that area would have this same number. I could search this and get the Internet Node. a basic area of the player. There could be 100 other players with this same ip address. There also Internet Piggybacking. Basicly someone Uses a another Node to block there own Ip address and it show someone who Lives in Texas Playing the game from a Node in Mexico But it way slow.

(I did Not my own provider Netzero for it a phone provider. Which have differnt Ip Numbers. The number above is random numbers. and no one can track me)

If your like charlesk who thinks in TV Land time with one Hour fix. Keep trying to fight. The fact is. It take time. So people please stop thinking in TV Land time. Where one show last one Hour. Real life it take Real time and Research.

Mybe you are Going after the wrong company? Why not go after Java? Which is what Jagex has to set there codes by. http://www.hackingexposedjava.com/index.htm

Here a site that explain Hacking player and how to block it.

http://www.hackingalert.com/hacking-articles/hacking-runescape-accounts.php

 

[Atolsammeek]

Hay charlesk Best idea for hacking. like nicks and such. is Report sites to runescape. That where runescape get the info then are able to block the hacking programs.

Scamming has to Be learn by your own mistakes.. Have it happen once that person tends to be careful the next time. They watch 2 windows and use the mouse to make sure it say the right item. It take 1 or 2 scam to be aware.

Let take Hacking. Let me use your nick Charlesk. Password Charlesk10. The kid next door had a password something like this. he was very upset. But I pointed out his fault. It was to easy. When I went over tried to get his Nick back. Then I help him with a new nick set his recovery questions. Then sat down and work on his password. basicly it was one word and a group of numbers mixed.Time and 711 so it look like T7i1m1e. I told him the password complax but it will help. Then gave him stuff I can make to get him back on his feet.

But Bashing runescape is not going to help. You need to Report the sites with hacks. Or how to scam people.

There also this group. People who Lie for there own benifit. I been scammed I been hacked. Yet they want people to feel pity on them for there own benifits. I bet this is the group you see the most. Not the real people who have trouble. That is why Runescape block people who say I been hack or I been scammed.

Let me point this out a level 120 Player with total 2000 saying I been hack or Scammed. Dont you find that fishie. Most of his skills can make the stuff back. Or having a mid range player which could be tied to a high level player go I been hack and scammed to show pitty on. Lower level Better bet for getting good items to sell.

I think Begging should be ban.

 

[Wildy]

AtolSammeek

I wouldn't even know where to begin in pointing out the flaws in your posts. I suppose page one would be a good place that is if I didn't feel as if my thoughts would fall on deaf ears.

Your posts contradict themselves; you point out flaws within the article then set about proving yourself wrong. I am unsure what you expect to achieve by doing this, other than discrediting yourself.

I am an avid Runescape player and can appreciate what Charles' articles have attempted to do. You say he is bashing Runescape, has it ever occurred to you that he, like many others would like to improve the game? By allowing awareness about the negative aspects (as we can all find the positives quite easily), it lets parents make an informed decision about some of the more common things that do go on within the game and perhaps better prepare their children for things they may encounter.

If you do not see these at least some of the things outlined within the article, please let me know what server you play on, it really must be a wonderful and rare place to be.

If you have never had a bad experience within Runescape then I envy you. However there are many, many people who haven't been this lucky. Why would you wish to deny them the ability to educate themselves through reading rather than having to experience it?

Although I have made it clear to Charles through other avenues, that I do not agree with every single aspect of his website and even parts of the articles, I do appreciate the time, energy and effort that has gone into it. I find very little in your posts that is constructive or helpful and seriously must wonder why you bother.

And I would also like to point out that although I may disagree with some things, it does not automatically make him wrong. Such as you feel the best place to report things is Customer Support, whereas I laugh at this suggestion. Does that make you wrong? No. It makes your opinion and experience different to mine.

 

[oSDarkness]

I find very little in your posts that is constructive or helpful and seriously must wonder why you bother.

He's trying to get his post count up, most likely. ^.^

 

[charlesk]

Sorry people Runescape Autoing blocking take take time.

Here what runescape has to do.

1 Watch reports
2 Check IP Address Alot of times the same useing more then one computer. Or one computer Running Runescape in differnt worlds.
3 Research and try to find the Autoer Program that the users is useing.
4 Each Nick can have a differnt Email. So someone could be useing 2 to 3 computers to run like 4 to 8 nicks at once. Why? Computers now use Dual core or Quad core cpus. Which is good at mulitasking.
5 Then Ban Them. Once they find the signs of autoing. They block that program and ban.

Jagex's approach to dealing with autoers is a miserable failure. There are dozens of autoers on every single world 24 hours a day. Trying to ban them with the approach you mention simply doesn't work.

However, autoers are not one of the major issues I make a big deal about with respect to Runescape.

Mybe you are Going after the wrong company?

Jagex made RuneScape, and they have the power to solve most of the problems with the game. If you have a problem with Java, feel free to deal with it yourself.

PS Thanks for your post, Advent_Cloud.

c

 

[charlesk]

Scamming has to Be learn by your own mistakes.. Have it happen once that person tends to be careful the next time. They watch 2 windows and use the mouse to make sure it say the right item. It take 1 or 2 scam to be aware.

I can't make any sense out of this, sorry.

Let take Hacking. Let me use your nick Charlesk. Password Charlesk10. The kid next door had a password something like this. he was very upset. But I pointed out his fault. It was to easy. When I went over tried to get his Nick back. Then I help him with a new nick set his recovery questions. Then sat down and work on his password. basicly it was one word and a group of numbers mixed.Time and 711 so it look like T7i1m1e. I told him the password complax but it will help. Then gave him stuff I can make to get him back on his feet.

That was nice of you. I do the same thing on my site, with specific pages to help people avoid choosing bad passwords and advice on choosing good passwords.

Where does Jagex do any of that? I mean, do they tell you how to choose good passwords? Not that I've seen. Why not?

There also this group. People who Lie for there own benifit. I been scammed I been hacked. Yet they want people to feel pity on them for there own benifits. I bet this is the group you see the most. Not the real people who have trouble. That is why Runescape block people who say I been hack or I been scammed.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all.

Some people who claim to be scammed are lying, but most aren't. They aren't asking for their stuff to be returned, they just want to warn others -- but Jagex won't let them.

That's part of why I created TruthScape.

c

 

[Atolsammeek]

So charlesk You lack computer skills. You dont understand how the internet works. That is a FACT.

Funny I check on jagex when you make a new account you see as a suggestion mixture of numbers and letters in your password to make it harder for someone to guess.

Jagex's approach to dealing with autoers is a miserable failure. There are dozens of autoers on every single world 24 hours a day. Trying to ban them with the approach you mention simply doesn't work.

I would love you to point out a way for autoer can stop? I would love to see you computer skills at work. I would like to hear how you would stop them?

1 If your going ban all level 3 Players. Well some people love low levels. So banning all will show jagex in a bad light.

2 Ban all quiet people. Question is what if the guy tired of people Your a autoer. I had a friend have that problem all the time.

3 What I listed is the only way jagex can connect the dots to a autoer.

4 There will never be a quick fix. Like a few command codes and it will all stop.

5 You will not be able to snap your fingers and fix this problem.

You sound like the people who say there no Cure for AIDS. Why is the goverment not stop drug trafficing. They found 1 million dollors in Weed in a house near me. Thing is the drugs been there about 5 years. It was a block from the Police station. It took a teen. Not wanting to get in trouble to tell of it location.

Some people who claim to be scammed are lying, but most aren't. They aren't asking for their stuff to be returned, they just want to warn others -- but Jagex won't let them.

That's part of why I created TruthScape.

Here why they dont want you posting it on the forum.

I been scammed by charlesk. People will look at him as a scammer. What if a clan wanted to make a guy look bad and get him ban. So a whole group of people seid it like.

I been scammed by charlesk.
another post oh I been scammed by him also who lied
another post oh I been scammed by him also who lied.

This is why they have you report it in game. So it protects people who never scammed anyone. So somone will not use your nick and get you ban just due to the fact they hate you.

1 Do you want to be on the side where a group hates you and use the forums to flame your name and be ban or look like a fool?