[SOLVED] RX 5700 vs GTX 1660Ti

[drandy2019]

Hey! I've been trying to figure out which of these two GPU should I buy. First of all, I really would prefer a card that isn't too noisy or gets too hot. The RX has both issues, so that's why I prefer the GTX in this case. However, the RX is just much better at every performance. I really want to hear it from you guys, which is actually better counting every possible cons and pros.

So, to give you an idea of what I do.
Photoshop
Premiere Pro
Cinema 4D
Gaming
After Effect
ZBrush

Based on these, which one do you think is better?

 

[TJ Hooker]

I have a small room where I have my PC. It gets really hot and having a GPU that goes over 80C in some cases is not good (in my opinion). I wouldn't care about the fan noise, but the temp is something else. Almost negative every review I see is based on the temp; where they had to return it because it got too hot. It might not be the case for many others, but I prefer not to take the risk if that's the case.

If you're worried about your GPU heating up your room, only power draw matters. GPU temp (on its own) is irrelevant.

If you're worried about the GPU overheating, not every GPU has the same max safe operating temp. Modern cards will not let themselves overheat to the point of damage (especially not at stock settings). So unless either the fan gets obnoxiously loud and/or the card starts throttling to the point where performance is noticeably affected, temp arguably doesn't matter.

What models of RX 5700 were you looking at reviews for?

As an aside, many AMD cards can be undervolted to reduce power/temp/noise.

 

[drandy2019]

If your going to get a super I would suggest Gigabytes OC Gaming 3 fan or 2 fan model. It has the highest core clock (it is factory overclocked from 1650mhz to 1812 mhz) and is only between 400-420$. I got the 3 fan model (in white with only 1 8pin) and the temp never goes above 61. I get an AVG of 180fps (usually around 210 fps) in apex legends with all low settings with AA on max and texture streaming budget on max. I get 160fps avg in the new COD Modern Warfare on ALL MAX (100fps with RTX Enabled on all max).

I also threw on a +500mhz memory clock and a +100 core clock to give a decent little 8-10fps boost using Heaven Benchmark to test results.

However if you really know how to overclock and mess around, typically, Founders Edition Super Cards can be OC'd higher than the factory OC'd variants. Meaning you might be able to get a bit of a higher OC on a founders edition card if you know what your doing. This is because founders editions cards come from a better bin. You can get a FE card from Best Buys website for about 400$. However you only get 2 fans and theres no GUARENTEE on the overclock capability.

I see that the founder 2060 Super is at a cheaper price (at best buy). Apart from overclocking, is it better to go with another third-party brand? I would really like to buy the Gigabytes gpu, but they don't have it at Best Buy. The reason is that I got a $100 gift card and I really want to use it. Then I can use my $350 budget with it.

 

[drandy2019]

If you're worried about your GPU heating up your room, only power draw matters. GPU temp (on its own) is irrelevant.

If you're worried about the GPU overheating, not every GPU has the same max safe operating temp. Modern cards will not let themselves overheat to the point of damage (especially not at stock settings). So unless either the fan gets obnoxiously loud and/or the card starts throttling to the point where performance is noticeably affected, temp arguably doesn't matter.

What models of RX 5700 were you looking at reviews for?

As an aside, many AMD cards can be undervolted to reduce power/temp/noise.

XFX RX 5700 XT
MSI
THICC II
and a few others. I saw multiple reviews on Best Buy and Amazon stating the same problem (overheating GPU).

 

[TJ Hooker]

The Thicc II fared poorly in professional reviews IIRC, so if you saw complaints I'm not too surprised. Don't know which MSI model you were looking at, but both the Mech and Gaming X look decent to me. I see zero complaints about temperature for the RX 5700 Mech, Gaming X, or Evoke on either amazon or bestbuy. Are you sure you weren't looking MSI's reference model?

Although to be honest, literally any product that has a sufficient number of user reviews is going to have at least some complaints. Some of them are bad lucks, some of them are just people who don't know what they're talking about. For instance, if someone is complaining about temp we don't necessarily know if the card was actually overheating and throttling, or if that person just had some arbitrary (possibly incorrect) notion of what the temperature ought to be and was complaining that it was higher than that.

 

[drandy2019]

The Thicc II fared poorly in professional reviews IIRC, so if you saw complaints I'm not too surprised. Don't know which MSI model you were looking at, but both the Mech and Gaming X look decent to me. I see zero complaints about temperature for the RX 5700 Mech, Gaming X, or Evoke on either amazon or bestbuy. Are you sure you weren't looking MSI's reference model?

Although to be honest, literally any product that has a sufficient number of user reviews is going to have at least some complaints. Some of them are bad lucks, some of them are just people who don't know what they're talking about. For instance, if someone is complaining about temp we don't necessarily know if the card was actually overheating and throttling, or if that person just had some arbitrary (possibly incorrect) notion of what the temperature ought to be and was complaining that it was higher than that.

Check this GPUs from Best Buy. Almost all of them say negative reviews about the temp. The others don't say much because there aren't enough reviews.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&iht=y&keys=keys&ks=960&list=n&qp=gpusv_facet=Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)~AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT&sc=Global&st=graphics card&type=page&usc=All Categories

Here on Amazon, these are the ones I was interested but because of the negative reviews about the temp I find it difficult to buy it. There are other negatives reviews based on black screen as well.
1. https://www.amazon.com/product-revi...r&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

2. https://www.amazon.com/XFX-1905MHz-Express-Graphics-Rx-57XT8DFD6/dp/B07VXNDGK5/ref=sr_1_13?crid=1GAHSCMBKG6IJ&keywords=amd+radeon+rx+5700+xt&qid=1576786537&sprefix=amd+rad,aps,151&sr=8-13

3. https://www.amazon.com/XFX-1750MHz-...1_3?keywords=rx+5700+xt&qid=1576786729&sr=8-3

You are right about many products having some negative reviews but the issue with these cards is the same. At least the ones from 2060 Super varies in negative reviews. I would prefer to buy the 5700 XT because it is cheaper and performs better. I just need to be sure and have enough information that I would end up getting the right card (and getting lucky without the card arriving with problems).

 

[drandy2019]

I don't really know a lot about building a PC and mostly about GPU that's why I'm here looking for help. I did built my own PC (the one I'm using at the moment) and I can tell you that I did a lot of research and made the right purchase.
I've had my PC since 2013 and the only thing I upgraded was my GPU in 2014. From a MSI GTX 770 to a MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G. So far I haven't had to return any of these items and my PC has been working amazing since then. I'm sorry if I'm annoying about the GPU, but that is the reason why I want to be 100% sure of what I'll be buying.

 

[TJ Hooker]

Check this GPUs from Best Buy. Almost all of them say negative reviews about the temp. The others don't say much because there aren't enough reviews.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&iht=y&keys=keys&ks=960&list=n&qp=gpusv_facet=Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)~AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT&sc=Global&st=graphics card&type=page&usc=All Categories

Here on Amazon, these are the ones I was interested but because of the negative reviews about the temp I find it difficult to buy it. There are other negatives reviews based on black screen as well.
1. https://www.amazon.com/product-revi...r&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

2. https://www.amazon.com/XFX-1905MHz-Express-Graphics-Rx-57XT8DFD6/dp/B07VXNDGK5/ref=sr_1_13?crid=1GAHSCMBKG6IJ&keywords=amd+radeon+rx+5700+xt&qid=1576786537&sprefix=amd+rad,aps,151&sr=8-13

3. https://www.amazon.com/XFX-1750MHz-...1_3?keywords=rx+5700+xt&qid=1576786729&sr=8-3

You are right about many products having some negative reviews but the issue with these cards is the same. At least the ones from 2060 Super varies in negative reviews. I would prefer to buy the 5700 XT because it is cheaper and performs better. I just need to be sure and have enough information that I would end up getting the right card (and getting lucky without the card arriving with problems).

Ah, my bad, I thought you were still looking at the 5700 non XT. Strange that the XT seems to have so many more people complaining.

The Sapphire Pulse is another option. Or the Sapphire Nitro+ would be even better, but that's a more expensive model that starts getting close to RTX 2070 prices.

 

[Jason H.]

I see that the founder 2060 Super is at a cheaper price (at best buy). Apart from overclocking, is it better to go with another third-party brand? I would really like to buy the Gigabytes gpu, but they don't have it at Best Buy. The reason is that I got a $100 gift card and I really want to use it. Then I can use my $350 budget with it.

I mean if your not going to get the highest factory oc'd version (gigabyte gaming oc windforce) then I would just get the founders edition. You can ramp that core clock, on avg, up to about 1800-1900mhz on the founders.

So if thats the route you would like to go I see no issue.

As far as other 3rd party brands, theyll all work fine they just have different coolers and core clocks and some are factory oc'd as well but I found for the best price vs performance, the one I got was 420$ + tax which came out to be 448$ from Amazon. And I was able to boost the already factory oc from 1812mhz to 1910mhz. And the temps never go over 61c while gaming, and max 68c under 100% load. This is because it has 3 fans. And the noise level is almost un-hearable. I cannot tell when my card ramps up in fan speed or down.

 

[drandy2019]

I mean if your not going to get the highest factory oc'd version (gigabyte gaming oc windforce) then I would just get the founders edition. You can ramp that core clock, on avg, up to about 1800-1900mhz on the founders.

So if thats the route you would like to go I see no issue.

As far as other 3rd party brands, theyll all work fine they just have different coolers and core clocks and some are factory oc'd as well but I found for the best price vs performance, the one I got was 420$ + tax which came out to be 448$ from Amazon. And I was able to boost the already factory oc from 1812mhz to 1910mhz. And the temps never go over 61c while gaming, and max 68c under 100% load. This is because it has 3 fans. And the noise level is almost un-hearable. I cannot tell when my card ramps up in fan speed or down.

Which one was the card you bought? Is it the Gigabytes?

 

[DMAN999]

If you are looking at 2060 Supers, I can definitely recommend the MSI RTX 2060 Super Armor OC.
It OC's to 2085-2100 MHz (and +500 on the RAM) with Afterburner and I have never seen it get above 62c.

 

[drandy2019]

If you are looking at 2060 Supers, I can definitely recommend the MSI RTX 2060 Super Armor OC.
It OC's to 2085-2100 MHz (and +500 on the RAM) with Afterburner and I have never seen it get above 62c.

I can't find that one. Is this good enough or very close to it?
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-ge...9PTFv_8uovYAKVKOCSRoCOdMQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[DMAN999]

That's a Very good GPU:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8881/msi-geforce-rtx-2060-gaming-review/index10.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-2060-gaming-z/37.html

The RTX 2060 Supers are slightly faster though and usually only cost about $20 TO $40 more.

 

[drandy2019]

That's a Very good GPU:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8881/msi-geforce-rtx-2060-gaming-review/index10.html

The RTX 2060 Supers are slightly faster though and usually only cost about $20 TO $40 more.

I actually didn't noticed that it wasn't a Super. My bad.
This one cost the same and it's a Super: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia...ics-card-black-silver/6361329.p?skuId=6361329

These two are cheaper, but they don't have enough reviews for me to consider.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-xt...0-graphics-card-black/6382721.p?skuId=6382721

Do you think if compared by performance, which in this case the RX 5700 XT wins, would this card be better than the Nvidia RTX 2060 Super?

 

[DMAN999]

That 2060 Super Reference card is fine, it will most likey not OC as high as mine does but that should only make a slight difference in performance.

I haven't done much research on the 5700 Xt's But here is a review of the 2 fan model of that XFX card:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3438502/xfx-radeon-rx-5700-xt-thicc-ii-ultra-review.html

And reviews of the 3 fan XFX 5700 XT:

XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra Review

The XFX RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra is a brand new triple-fan design from the company, which runs higher clocks, too. XFX listened to criticism and improved the memory cooling plate, reducing temperatures and noise levels significantly, which makes the THICC III one of the quietest RX 5700 XT...

www.techpowerup.com

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3487805/xfx-radeon-rx-5700-xt-thicc-iii-ultra-review.html?page=5

I do see that those XFX 5700 XT's use around 400W under load so you better make sure you get a strong, quality PSU if you pick one of those.
I'd want a good 750W or 850 W PSU.

Also if you think about buying a 3 fan model make 100% sure it will fit in your case Before you order it, they are very long and will not fit in many cases.


As far as the performance difference goes:
The 5700 XT is definitely faster but, they are so close you would most likely never even notice a difference.

So ultimately I say buy whichever one of these cards You like best. 😀

 

[TJ Hooker]

I do see that those XFX 5700 XT's use around 400W under load

400W is the power draw of the entire system, not just the graphics card.

 

[drandy2019]

That 2060 Super Reference card is fine, it will most likey not OC as high as mine does but that should only make a slight difference in performance.

I haven't done much research on the 5700 Xt's But here is a review of the 2 fan model of that XFX card:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3438502/xfx-radeon-rx-5700-xt-thicc-ii-ultra-review.html

And reviews of the 3 fan XFX 5700 XT:

XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra Review

The XFX RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra is a brand new triple-fan design from the company, which runs higher clocks, too. XFX listened to criticism and improved the memory cooling plate, reducing temperatures and noise levels significantly, which makes the THICC III one of the quietest RX 5700 XT...

www.techpowerup.com

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3487805/xfx-radeon-rx-5700-xt-thicc-iii-ultra-review.html?page=5

I do see that those XFX 5700 XT's use around 400W under load so you better make sure you get a strong, quality PSU if you pick one of those.
I'd want a good 750W or 850 W PSU.

Also if you think about buying a 3 fan model make 100% sure it will fit in your case Before you order it, they are very long and will not fit in many cases.


As far as the performance difference goes:
The 5700 XT is definitely faster but, they are so close you would most likely never even notice a difference.

So ultimately I say buy whichever one of these cards You like best. 😀

Well, this pretty much tells me to buy the 2060 Super. More reasons to choose it. Also, I'm not into OC or have done it before, but what would be the difference if I did on the Reference?

 

[drandy2019]

400W is the power draw of the entire system, not just the graphics card.

Oh wow, I thought it was the GPU. That made me change my mind immediately.

 

[drandy2019]

Guys, I decided to go with this one.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-s...ard-black-transparent/6360817.p?skuId=6360817

If you have any advice or tips before I but it, please let me know. Thank you for the help, I appreciate it a lot.
Power Supply: 750W

 

[Jason H.]

Guys, I decided to go with this one.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-s...ard-black-transparent/6360817.p?skuId=6360817

If you have any advice or tips before I but it, please let me know. Thank you for the help, I appreciate it a lot.
Power Supply: 750W

I mean technically I would have went with the gigabyte gaming oc version for 420$ + tax since it has a higher core clock for a cheaper price but that gpu should work great for you!

No tips really needed. Just plug in, and play

If you want to OC the gpu, I would start with like +100mhz on the core clock and +500mhz on the memory. Make sure thats stable, and if not, just lower a little bit at a time until it is, and if it is stable u can try raising by like 25mhz testing, etc until it becomes unstable then go with your last stable setting. I will say though if you cant get 100mhz on the core clock, then honestly there wouldnt be much point in OC'ing the core, but I find to have more of a performance gain on my card from the memory overclock anyways.

 

[drandy2019]

I mean technically I would have went with the gigabyte gaming oc version for 420$ + tax since it has a higher core clock for a cheaper price but that gpu should work great for you!

No tips really needed. Just plug in, and play

If you want to OC the gpu, I would start with like +100mhz on the core clock and +500mhz on the memory. Make sure thats stable, and if not, just lower a little bit at a time until it is, and if it is stable u can try raising by like 25mhz testing, etc until it becomes unstable then go with your last stable setting. I will say though if you cant get 100mhz on the core clock, then honestly there wouldnt be much point in OC'ing the core, but I find to have more of a performance gain on my card from the memory overclock anyways.

I might do an OC in the future, I just have never done it before. I really won't like to mess the GPU if that's the case. I'm not sure if doing OC will increase the power usage, more heat and more noise.

 

[Jason H.]

I might do an OC in the future, I just have never done it before. I really won't like to mess the GPU if that's the case. I'm not sure if doing OC will increase the power usage, more heat and more noise.

Yes overclocking will raise power consumption and create more heat which will make the fans run higher which will result in a bit more noise.

HOWEVER, My gpu is overclocked and the temps never go above 68c. And like I said I cant even tell when the fans go up because theyre so quiet