Ryzen 3 2200G - GPU compatibility

[Sath8888]

I am planning to use a Ryzen 3 2200G for my first build. Despite the integrated graphics, i want to also get a 2GB graphics card or so, to improve performance. However the 2200G has only 8 PCI E lanes. Is it still possible to use a GPU through a PCI E x16 slot?
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I am new at this, please advise alternatives.

 

[RobCrezz]

Yep, graphics cards only really need x8 pci-e.

 

[zoltan.boese]

Read this article: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2488-pci-e-3-x8-vs-x16-performance-impact-on-gpus
"there is a little below a 1% performance difference in PCI-e 3.0 x16 and PCI-e 3.0 x8 slots"

 

[AniChatt]

Why you are doing this if you buy a separate gpu? Either wait for next ryzen release or buy intel and add the dgpu. If you buy a apu and using a separate gpu then it makes no sence of 8 vega units on that apu it will act just like a ryzen 3 (possibly 1200).
And lastly you can not even crossfire it with a similar Radeon card as so far amd has not released any driver support for these new apus.

 

[zoltan.boese]

Why you are doing this if you buy a separate gpu? Either wait for next ryzen release or buy intel and add the dgpu. If you buy a apu and using a separate gpu then it makes no sence of 8 vega units on that apu it will act just like a ryzen 3 (possibly 1200).
And lastly you can not even crossfire it with a similar Radeon card as so far amd has not released any driver support for these new apus.

I agree, if you plan to use a dedicated graphics card from the beginning you are better off with another (less expensive) processor.

 

[AniChatt]

Why you are doing this if you buy a separate gpu? Either wait for next ryzen release or buy intel and add the dgpu. If you buy a apu and using a separate gpu then it makes no sence of 8 vega units on that apu it will act just like a ryzen 3 (possibly 1200).
And lastly you can not even crossfire it with a similar Radeon card as so far amd has not released any driver support for these new apus.

I agree, if you plan to use a dedicated graphics card from the beginning you are better off with another (less expensive) processor.

Thanks. Regarding the x8 pcie I don't think you are planning to buy a GTX1070 or 1080/ti or something then it may get throttled by less bandwidth. However it will also get bottlenecked by the cpu itself. So please change the cpu

 

[Sath8888]

Thanks for all the replies.
So is it worth going for a cheaper CPU and a higher end 4 GB graphics card or a Ryzen 5 2400G?
(i plan on mid level gaming and also future proofing is a priority)

 

[zoltan.boese]

Thanks for all the replies.
So is it worth going for a cheaper CPU and a higher end 4 GB graphics card or a Ryzen 5 2400G?
(i plan on mid level gaming and also future proofing is a priority)

Yes, if you want a dedicated GPU, combine something like:
MSI B350M PRO-VDH
AMD Ryzen 3 1200
PNY GTX 1050 Ti 4GB
plus RAM, SSD

 

[AniChatt]

There is a catch, with release of 2400G, Ryzen 3 1200 becomes not required in this field if the price of this cpu is significantly cheaper than 2400G. If you compare these two basic difference is 2400G is a improved version of R3-1200 with reduced cache but also reduced latency. So far as per current reviews these reduced latency helps in some application since 2400G architecture they have removed one CCX unit and replaced with iGPU vega unit. Again 2400G supports faster ram as well. If you are getting a good price reduction with 1200 r3 then go for ryzen otherwise switch to intel.

 

[vikingthrone]

So I am building a rig for my dad on a budget. I am thinking of using the Ryzen 3 2200g because of budget contstraints and the hefty prices of graphics cards atm. However, I plan on starting him off on that and then maybe he can upgrade the GPU at a later date. Is that possible with integrated graphics?

 

[zoltan.boese]

So I am building a rig for my dad on a budget. I am thinking of using the Ryzen 3 2200g because of budget contstraints and the hefty prices of graphics cards atm. However, I plan on starting him off on that and then maybe he can upgrade the GPU at a later date. Is that possible with integrated graphics?

Yes, it is possible. You can use a PCI graphics card and disable the integrated one from BIOS if you please.

 

[AniChatt]

So I am building a rig for my dad on a budget. I am thinking of using the Ryzen 3 2200g because of budget contstraints and the hefty prices of graphics cards atm. However, I plan on starting him off on that and then maybe he can upgrade the GPU at a later date. Is that possible with integrated graphics?

In that case case add some more money and get a 2400G instead of 2200G for future proofing. Much better option compared to 2200G.

 

[aditya.bhattacharya13]

I am planning to use a Ryzen 3 2200G for my first build. Despite the integrated graphics, i want to also get a 2GB graphics card or so, to improve performance. However the 2200G has only 8 PCI E lanes. Is it still possible to use a GPU through a PCI E x16 slot?
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I am new at this, please advise alternatives.

get watercooling and overclock the gpu to 2gb vram. Sorry if this answer is bad

 

[dracolnyte]

I had the same intentions thats why I built a rig with 2400G for cheap ($400) with future proofing in mind. the 2400G can play any game today decently, given that you feed it 3200mhz RAM. If I want to play some more intense games in the future, I'll just slap on a dedicated graphics card, and if the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU, I have until 2020 to upgrade the processor to something like a Ryzen 5700X since AM4 is expected to be carried over until then

 

[jr9]

You need to decide if you are going to buy a dedicated GPU or not. It depends on the games you are playing, your settings, resolution. It's not as if an nVIDIA card and the APU are going to work together as a team; you use one or the other. If you're using a graphics card you can just use the APU as only a CPU. The Ryzen 2000 series APUs are so cheap that they are good just as CPU only paired with a cheaper GPU for budget builds especially the 2200g which is as good as a 1300X.

Budget route with dedicated GPU and using an APU (cheaper) as your CPU only:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($99.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($83.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Windforce OC Video Card ($165.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $439.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-10 17:47 EDT-0400

APU only route with 60-65% less GPU power:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($162.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($83.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $336.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-10 17:41 EDT-0400

The Ryzen APU does not fair well in intense games/higher settings so don't get one thinking it's a replacement for having a GPU even overclocked. If you're playing light games it will do fine but in heavier titles this APU struggles as it's only as strong as a GT 1030.

 

[aditya.bhattacharya13]

You need to decide if you are going to buy a dedicated GPU or not. It depends on the games you are playing, your settings, resolution. It's not as if an nVIDIA card and the APU are going to work together as a team; you use one or the other. If you're using a graphics card you can just use the APU as only a CPU. The Ryzen 2000 series APUs are so cheap that they are good just as CPU only paired with a cheaper GPU for budget builds especially the 2200g which is as good as a 1300X.

Budget route with dedicated GPU and using an APU (cheaper) as your CPU only:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($99.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($83.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Windforce OC Video Card ($165.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $439.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-10 17:47 EDT-0400

APU only route with 60-65% less GPU power:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($162.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($83.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $336.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-10 17:41 EDT-0400

The Ryzen APU does not fair well in intense games/higher settings so don't get one thinking it's a replacement for having a GPU even overclocked. If you're playing light games it will do fine but in heavier titles this APU struggles as it's only as strong as a GT 1030.

EDIT: I deleted the thing I said because I thought this was a different thread. Sorry for taking up space. 🙁

 

[jr9]

The 2400G is capable of 85 FPS average in CS:GO on high and the 2200G averages at 70FPS. It handles this game fine as it's mostly CPU work.

Fortnite at medium quality the 2400G gets about 40-50 FPS. The 2200G gets a bit less than that.

The APU will handle basic computing like web browsing just fine and lighter games. It should be able to hit those gaming marks but as soon as you start trying to play heavier games you may have issues getting up near 60 FPS. For example if you wanted to play something like Middle Earth on higher settings your FPS would be would be in the 10-20 FPS range. That's when you would want to add something like a GTX 1050 or greater to the system.