News Ryzen 7 9800X3D reportedly delivers up to 8% higher gaming performance than Ryzen 7 7800X3D — alleged leaked AMD slide also claims up to 15% better...

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A leaked official slide from AMD has revealed that the Ryzen 7 9800X3D will offer 8% better gaming performance than the 7800X3D.

Ryzen 7 9800X3D reportedly delivers up to 8% higher gaming performance than Ryzen 7 7800X3D — alleged leaked AMD slide also claims up to 15% better... : Read more

 

[CaptRiker]

ie no reason for owners of a 7950x3d to upgrade *sighs*

 

[DavidLejdar]

Will be around +50% increase for me (under certain conditions), upgrading from a 7600X. And an even bigger increase, for many with CPUs older than 2 years - albeit the difference between 5800X3D and 9800X3D may for gaming perhaps not be that convincing to upgrade, I suppose.

Personally, I like the PCIe 5.0 connectivity. And I want to go 4K eventually - for which the X3D CPUs make not a difference currently. But technically possible, that with the next gen of GPUs, CPU will once again become a bottleneck. Like, as is now, running a current-gen GPU at 1080p, gives a lot of frames - but even the 4090 can not really do that many frames at 4K. Whereas next-gen GPUs may perhaps see more frames at 4K, where the demand on CPU involvement would increase as well, from what I understand. Also, multi-screen setup, currently up to 6000x1440 pixels, with second screen on the iGPU of the CPU.

That already goes into quite specific circumstances though. If I were to set up just a 1080p gaming rig, 5700X3D and modern GPU would be plenty, coming in at under $1,000 for the entire rig.

 

[Elusive Ruse]

ie no reason for owners of a 7950x3d to upgrade *sighs*

AMD with another disappointing product I was hoping for at least a30% uplift in 4K, gen on gen. 😤

 

[phxrider]

ie no reason for owners of a 7950x3d to upgrade *sighs*

Not unless they solve the dual CCD issues so 9950X3D performs as well as the 9800X3D in games, and/or drastically improve the V-Cache speeds for better multithreaded performance closer to the 9950X.

But right, probably no reason. I have a 7950X3D as well, and that's my outlook.
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EDIT: The more I think about this, maybe for someone like me, there could be a reason. I went from a 7800x3d to 7950x3d to get faster non-gaming performance (and because they were stupid cheap during Amazon days). I really don't need 16 cores, but I benefit from the faster non-V-Cache cores, which are prioritized when not playing a game (for people who don't really understand how this works, this is the entire reason for core parking, because otherwise windows will prioritize the fastest cores, which are the ones without the V-Cache. By parking the uncached cores, it forces Windows to use the cached ones for the game.) However, there IS a gaming hit from my 7800x3d in games I play. If the 9800x3d has better app performance, it would be a way to regain the gaming performance without losing any or much app performance. By apps, I'm not talking about workstation loads, i.e. rendering, transcoding, scientific calculations or 7-zipping a giant file, which benefit from a massive number of cores, I mean normal apps that most of us use many times a day, in which there is a felt difference between the 7800x3d and 7950x3d. Depending on how the 9800x3d does in those vs the 7950x3d, there could be a reason for people like me who don't need the high core count. And because I'm an idiot nerd who just likes changing things up for curiosity's sake.

 

[usertests]

Not unless they solve the dual CCD issues so 9950X3D performs as well as the 9800X3D in games, and/or drastically improve the V-Cache speeds for better multithreaded performance closer to the 9950X.

But right, probably no reason. I have a 7950X3D as well, and that's my outlook.

Even if both chiplets clock the same, there may still be scheduling issues that necessitate core parking, which is a huge mess for them.

 

[PrazVT]

No reason for anyone doing 4k gaming to buy. But I guess there's some slice of consumers who will pay for these but still game at 1080p??

 

[Pemalite]

ie no reason for owners of a 7950x3d to upgrade *sighs*

There has never really been a reason to upgrade every year.

You get more bang for your buck waiting a couple of generations anyway... It's the Ryzen 1000/2000/3000 users who should be eyeballing the Ryzen 9000 series.

 

[TeamRed2024]

AMD with another disappointing product I was hoping for at least a30% uplift in 4K, gen on gen. 😤

Well if it makes you feel any better I read the same thing about my 9950X when compared to the 7950X. Given both were priced within $50 of each other I went Zen 5.

There has never really been a reason to upgrade every year.

You get more bang for your buck waiting a couple of generations anyway... It's the Ryzen 1000/2000/3000 users who should be eyeballing the Ryzen 9000 series.

Just like phones. From 2011-2015 I upgraded every year. Then it went 2-3 years between upgrades... and I'm expecting 5 years out of my new 16 Pro Max 1TB.

 

[phxrider]

Even if both chiplets clock the same, there may still be scheduling issues that necessitate core parking, which is a huge mess for them.

I have no issues with core parking. Maybe it was problematic when these CPUs were released, but today, if someone can't get it to work, they should probably stick to a PlayStation.

 

[P.Amini]

No reason for anyone doing 4k gaming to buy. But I guess there's some slice of consumers who will pay for these but still game at 1080p??

AKA competitive and Esports players.

 

[usertests]

I have no issues with core parking. Maybe it was problematic when these CPUs were released, but today, if someone can't get it to work, they should probably stick to a PlayStation.

I'll let Tom's Hardware explain why it's garbage:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...Provisioning File Driver and Thread Targeting

 

[Lucky_SLS]

If the rumours are correct, the 9800X3D boosts to 5.4ghz. The boost clock in itself is 8% higher than 7800X3D, was hoping for more...

Can't wait to try theX3D turbo mode. Away from my PC for a week

 

[Elusive Ruse]

Well if it makes you feel any better I read the same thing about my 9950X when compared to the 7950X. Given both were priced within $50 of each other I went Zen 5.



Just like phones. From 2011-2015 I upgraded every year. Then it went 2-3 years between upgrades... and I'm expecting 5 years out of my new 16 Pro Max 1TB.

Haha, apologies if I wasn’t clear that I was joking especially with the 4K bit 😅

 

[phxrider]

I'll let Tom's Hardware explain why it's garbage:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-ryzen-9-9950x-cpu-review#:~:text=AMD Core Parking Problems — PPM Provisioning File Driver and Thread Targeting

Spoken like someone who doesn't have one and thinks they're an expert because they read an article online.

I do have one, AND I have a 7800X3D in another system. Like I said, I believe there were problems when it came out two years ago or whenever that was (because like nearly any software product released today, the code is so complex that they can't possibly get it completely right until large numbers of people have tested it and reported the bugs), but today if you can follow a list of like four or five steps, it will work just fine.

The main people that are going to have a problem are people trying to run it in "high performance" mode in the power settings, and this is AMD's fault because they should be documenting this better, but that mode disables core parking. A lot of us do this as a step when building a system, it took me half a day of fighting with it before I found this in a forum, and yes it was really that simple and stupid. Shame on AMD for not putting this in bold print in their documentation.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Can't wait to try theX3D turbo mode. Away from my PC for a week

It disables SMT on my 7800X3D.

 

[phxrider]

It disables SMT on my 7800X3D.

Yep, and if you had a 7900/7950X3D it would do that + disable CCD1. I have a feeling this mode is a lot more effective on the dual-CCD chips than the 7800X3D. It's noticeable on my 7950X3D, it gets it very close to hitting the game performance of the 7800X3D it replaced.