Question ryzen ram issue

[MilkWithABowl]

Alright I'm at my breaking point because this has been going on for months and actually an entire year were I will give up trying to overclock my ram, and this is the final time I will suffer this lost performance. My Ram always stays at 2133MHz and I wish to put an end to this.

Specifications:

Motherboard: Asus Prime x-370 Pro

Cpu: Ryzen 7 1700 GHz 3.9

Ram: Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200Mhz 8x2 C16 (Btw the way I'm running two of these kits so that makes 32GBs of ram)

Graphics Card: Asus Strix OC 1080Ti

Hard Drives: Samsung Evo 970 500gb; Seagate 2TB 7200RPM

Power Supply: EVGA 750 Watt Gold Certified

I'm running a stock cooler on my Cpu but I mean it never goes over 70C due to the number of fans that is cooling this pc.
If important there is also an Intel Ethernet 10GB PCIe card and a Dvd player that can play blue ray discs from Pioneer.

So as you can tell I'm not too pleased with the fact that my ram is simply unoverclockable. I've tried different timings, I've tried it with different speeds, I've tried different voltages, It also seems as if there is nothing that can be done. This isn't even the last of the problems I have with this ram. With this ram it also does this insanely bizarre thing with the ram and puts not 50% but 51% of the memory into hardware reserved making the other 16gbs of ram dead weight. That's some peoples entire system's worth of ram put unusable. Also if you think it's just the system doing something silly because there is so much ram, no I have unplugged two of the DIMM slots to run in dual channel instead of quad, and it does exactly the same thing. So here are basically my two requests.

1. I wish to get my memory to at least 2800MHz or possibly to 3200Mhz, but that's stretching it.

2. Not have 51% of my memory locked in some prison and cannot be used.

This is something that I would love if it was done because most of the games I do play suffer greatly due to this, because on some games like Overwatch people have uploaded them playing at 1440p with 1080's and ryzen 5 1600s betting my performance at even the highest setting on overwatch, and I run it at the lowest and cannot exceed these numbers in normal play. Not only does this grind my gears but it stutters if it doesn't put it in High Priority mode with Task Manager, this is something that I should not have to do.

So, sorry about my rant, it is very frustrating and if anyone out there can please help me it will be well appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[PC Tailor]

Welcome to the forums my friend!
When you ran the RAM in dual channel only (so with only 2 modules inserted) - did you ensure that these were the modules that were bought from the same pack?
Also, do you have the latest BIOS installed?

Additionally, according to the QVL, they likely haven't tested running at that speed with 4 DIMMS as as you can see from the image below, 4 DIMMs is not highlighted as compatible with Ryzen CPUs from their 3200RAM module range (these RAM also have to have DOCP enabled to run at these speeds):

https://imgur.com/a/njWk9F7

View: https://imgur.com/a/njWk9F7

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Welcome to the forums my friend!
When you ran the RAM in dual channel only (so with only 2 modules inserted) - did you ensure that these were the modules that were bought from the same pack?
Also, do you have the latest BIOS installed?

Additionally, according to the QVL, they likely haven't tested running at that speed with 4 DIMMS as as you can see from the image below, 4 DIMMs is not highlighted as compatible with Ryzen CPUs from their 3200RAM module range (these RAM also have to have DOCP enabled to run at these speeds):

https://imgur.com/a/njWk9F7

View: https://imgur.com/a/njWk9F7

At the time I did use two modules instead of four I did not check if they came from the same pack and, quite frankly I don't know if my quad channel memory ram's is in the correct order if this makes a difference, although i can confirm that the bios was in the latest version when I was swapping the Sticks around.

 

[PC Tailor]

At the time I did use two modules instead of four I did not check if they came from the same pack and, quite frankly I don't know if my quad channel memory ram's is in the correct order if this makes a difference, although i can confirm that the bios was in the latest version when I was swapping the Sticks around.

Well obviously, modules from 2 different packs, regardless as to if they are the exact same model, can often throw problems. Because mixed RAM modules are not guaranteed compatibility. RAM modules are only guaranteed in the form sold (I.e. from the same pack). So it may be worth ensuring that they are in fact from the same pack, and install them in the order as per your motherboard manual as this can also make a difference.

It may also be worth trying each RAM module individually, in each slot to ensure none of the RAM modules are faulty.

 

[PC Tailor]

As for what is your bottleneck in game, I would find it quite difficult to believe that the RAM speed is what is limiting (even if you have 16GB of 32GB available). I would probably use Afterburner and load all component usage and temperatures to ensure something else isn't causing the limitation. I wouldn't personally compare to uploads (say Youtube) as they are often misleading as to the reality of the components, and ultimately, every system is different.

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Well obviously, modules from 2 different packs, regardless as to if they are the exact same model, can often through problems. Because mixed RAM modules are not guaranteed compatibility. RAM modules are only guaranteed in the form sold (I.e. from the same pack). So it may be worth ensuring that they are in fact from the same pack, and install them in the order as per your motherboard manual as this can also make a difference.

It may also be worth trying each RAM module individually, in each slot to ensure none of the RAM modules are faulty.

Alright so, I'm going to after I get the green light here, try to install each and every single ram stick separately and boot up the system with XMP (DOCP with Asus Motherboards) and if it's a faulty stick that is causing this problem.

 

[PC Tailor]

I would do that, then when reinstalling, stick to 2 modules, but make sure they are the modules from the same back, test then see.

 

[MilkWithABowl]

I would do that, then when reinstalling, stick to 2 modules, but make sure they are the modules from the same back, test then see.

Okay I’ve ran into something interesting, when I use one ram stick. The system seems to like start up but I don’t see anything pop up on the screen other then I can tell that it is sending something because the screen just lights up. I did this with all sticks and had the same thing happen, but the system didn’t like flash on, then off it stayed on so is this a problem?

 

[PC Tailor]

Potentially, was this regardless as to which stick you used?
May be worth resetting CMOS / BIOS first.
You should still boot with 1 module unless the slot or the module is faulty. Doing each module individually is identifying if the module is faulty, trying the same module in each slot seperately will identify if any slots are the culprit.

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Potentially, was this regardless as to which stick you used?
May be worth resetting CMOS / BIOS first.
You should still boot with 1 module unless the slot or the module is faulty. Doing each module individually is identifying if the module is faulty, trying the same module in each slot seperately will identify if any slots are the culprit.

I’m to the point where I think the only way to boot the system is with two sticks not one because it just shows up some light on the screen then a couple seconds later the lights gone but the system it’s self never flickered.

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Okay I’ve ran into something interesting, when I use one ram stick. The system seems to like start up but I don’t see anything pop up on the screen other then I can tell that it is sending something because the screen just lights up. I did this with all sticks and had the same thing happen, but the system didn’t like flash on, then off it stayed on so is this a problem?

Although I still haven’t tried all the dimm slots yet but should I keep going?

 

[PC Tailor]

Yes, continue to see if you can yield any different results.
So the system doesn't show an image if you only have 1 module installed? Regardless as to the module?

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Yes, continue to see if you can yield any different results.
So the system doesn't show an image if you only have 1 module installed? Regardless as to the module?

Regardless of which module I use it does the exact same thing. The monitor picks up a signal and displays something but it’s just black but since I have an ips display it has some backlight so I can tell when the monitor receives something. Then after a few seconds the monitor shows nothing no light no backlight just black as if the computer is off, but when I look at my computer (like motherboard,cpu, graphics and fans) they are all still on and don’t do the like failed to overclock to let me try again and again nope the system stays on but the monitor stays on only for a few seconds then turns off.

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Regardless of which module I use it does the exact same thing. The monitor picks up a signal and displays something but it’s just black but since I have an ips display it has some backlight so I can tell when the monitor receives something. Then after a few seconds the monitor shows nothing no light no backlight just black as if the computer is off, but when I look at my computer (like motherboard,cpu, graphics and fans) they are all still on and don’t do the like failed to overclock to let me try again and again nope the system stays on but the monitor stays on only for a few seconds then turns off.

Also very important thing I didn’t include was that it never said No signal

 

[PC Tailor]

And this is also regardless as to which slot you put the module in?

 

[MilkWithABowl]

And this is also regardless as to which slot you put the module in?

Truth be told I’ve only tested two of the slots one of which being the one the manual itself recommends that you put it in

 

[PC Tailor]

Truth be told I’ve only tested two of the slots one of which being the one the manual itself recommends that you put it in

Try all of them, for example the CPU cooler sitting slightly too tightly on the CPU can cause problems with memory functions and is known to make the slots nearest the CPU become faulty.

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Okay for some reason it wouldn’t allow me to

Try all of them, for example the CPU cooler sitting slightly too tightly on the CPU can cause problems with memory functions and is known to make the slots nearest the CPU become faulty.

Okay so I just looked up in the Knick of time to see that my monitor actual said no DisplayPort signal instead of what I’ve been telling which means that every signal ram installation has actually left the computer unable to boot

 

[PC Tailor]

And this again to confirm, occurs with every single RAM module, in every single slot?
Unusual - would almost seem more like a MB problem.

But everything works normally when you put more than 1 module in?

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Try all of them, for example the CPU cooler sitting slightly too tightly on the CPU can cause problems with memory functions and is known to make the slots nearest the CPU become faulty.

I have officially test all dimm slots with using each and everyone of the modules that I have and to no surprise it didn’t boot, not once

 

[MilkWithABowl]

And this again to confirm, occurs with every single RAM module, in every single slot?
Unusual - would almost seem more like a MB problem.

But everything works normally when you put more than 1 module in?

Okay great be

And this again to confirm, occurs with every single RAM module, in every single slot?
Unusual - would almost seem more like a MB problem.

But everything works normally when you put more than 1 module in?

okay great news my pc has booted with two modules in there although overclocking it isn’t working

 

[MilkWithABowl]

And this again to confirm, occurs with every single RAM module, in every single slot?
Unusual - would almost seem more like a MB problem.

But everything works normally when you put more than 1 module in?

Oh and yes I have confirmed that it does that with all the slots if I have one stick in there

 

[DMAN999]

What BIOS Version are you Using ?
On my MB the BIOS version that uses AGESA 1.0.0.6 works best for RAM OCing/Compatibility so I would try BIOS version Version 4207 for your MB which also uses AGESA 1.0.0.6 and see if that helps at all.

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[MilkWithABowl]

And this again to confirm, occurs with every single RAM module, in every single slot?
Unusual - would almost seem more like a MB problem.

But everything works normally when you put more than 1 module in?

Sorry to tell you but I just found out that my ram is version 4.31 and the compatibility says version 5.39 for Corsair so there is nothing you can do and I would have to buy new ram for this issue to be fixed sorry for the time that you spent into something that was going to fail from the start although I learned a lot from this experience on the rights and wrongs, thank you for your time. Just so you know I got the compatibility from AMDs ram Compatibility spreadsheet that hasn’t been updated since 2017 so nothing seems to have changed although I could be wrong. Thank you for your time and effort towards my situation.

 

[MilkWithABowl]

Sorry to tell you but I just found out that my ram is version 4.31 and the compatibility says version 5.39 for Corsair so there is nothing you can do and I would have to buy new ram for this issue to be fixed sorry for the time that you spent into something that was going to fail from the start although I learned a lot from this experience on the rights and wrongs, thank you for your time. Just so you know I got the compatibility from AMDs ram Compatibility spreadsheet that hasn’t been updated since 2017 so nothing seems to have changed although I could be wrong. Thank you for your time and effort towards my situation.

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