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captaincharisma
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yea but the ads were always saying how bad windows was but never said anything about why OSX was really better
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Truth:
MacBookPro 17" with HDD/RAM upgrade and matte screen - $3199
2.8GHz C2d.
8GB DDR3 1066
500GB 7200RPM HDD
Nvidia 9600M GT 512MB
1920x1200
Sager NP8120 18.4" - $3214
Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz quad core (don't forget about that massive turbo)
8GB DDR3 1333
3x640GB 720RPM HDD in RAID0 (Yeah, that's right, I said 3 HDD's)
4x Bluray reader
2xGTX 285m 1GB in SLI (a model with 5870's could be speciality ordered likely, and the 5870m is cheaper than a 295m on other models)
1920x1080 (16:9 is good for the bluray movie watching beast)
So, which beast would you prefer? A lowly C2D, 500GB storage, and a GPU that can't truly play Crysis, or something with 1920GB of storage, a i7, and two of the best mobile GPU's at once?
I won't knock OSX, but clearly, the hardware is nothing special at all.
MacBookPro 17" with HDD/RAM upgrade and matte screen - $3199
2.8GHz C2d.
8GB DDR3 1066
500GB 7200RPM HDD
Nvidia 9600M GT 512MB
1920x1200
Sager NP8120 18.4" - $3214
Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz quad core (don't forget about that massive turbo)
8GB DDR3 1333
3x640GB 720RPM HDD in RAID0 (Yeah, that's right, I said 3 HDD's)
4x Bluray reader
2xGTX 285m 1GB in SLI (a model with 5870's could be speciality ordered likely, and the 5870m is cheaper than a 295m on other models)
1920x1080 (16:9 is good for the bluray movie watching beast)
So, which beast would you prefer? A lowly C2D, 500GB storage, and a GPU that can't truly play Crysis, or something with 1920GB of storage, a i7, and two of the best mobile GPU's at once?
I won't knock OSX, but clearly, the hardware is nothing special at all.
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Belardo
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[citation][nom]Maxor127[/nom]How about stopping the painful to watch PC and Windows 7 commercials?[/citation]
Yeah... they do kind of suck... "I made MS listen to me"... perhaps more like millions of us. So in a sense, MS is advertising that they heard our complaints.
But how about this IDEA Microsoft... Sell Windows7 home for $50 per upgrade license. yeah, I like that idea.
Yeah... they do kind of suck... "I made MS listen to me"... perhaps more like millions of us. So in a sense, MS is advertising that they heard our complaints.
But how about this IDEA Microsoft... Sell Windows7 home for $50 per upgrade license. yeah, I like that idea.
Belardo
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[citation][nom]anamaniac[/nom]Truth:MacBookPro 17" with HDD/RAM upgrade and matte screen - $3199 2.8GHz C2d. ~
Sager NP8120 18.4" - $3214 Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz quad core 8GB DDR3 1333 3x640GB 720RPM HDD in RAID0 4x Bluray reader 2xGTX 285m 1GB in SLI~~
I won't knock OSX, but clearly, the hardware is nothing special at all.[/citation]
You're comparing a thin & light notebook from a reputable company to a desktop-replacement that is big hot and bulky. 1.6Ghz i7 quad isn't exactly fastest i7... its not much faster than the Core2Duo at 2.8~3.0Ghz... and the power & heat from that i7 is much higher.
Apple 17 = 0.98" thick, 6.6 lbs.
Sager 14 = 1.75" thick, 13~15lbs (depending on video cards & drives) that's not a notebook! 6+lbs starts getting heavy. A notebook of this size most likely has a huge PSU.
"hardware is nothing special"
Errr... actually, hardware is important and to compare Sager crap to the likes of Apple, ThinkPads, Dell, etc. Sager is generic Chinese junk, no support, cheap cheap hardware... yes, that Sager is a lot for the money... but the big difference is support and that 6 months or 3 years later, that Apple will still work. Read below...
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Sager
I've worked on some Sagers many many years ago... junk and scam artist. What good is that hardware in a dead computer... Read the shipping payments and scratch issues in that link!
Sager NP8120 18.4" - $3214 Core i7-720QM 1.6GHz quad core 8GB DDR3 1333 3x640GB 720RPM HDD in RAID0 4x Bluray reader 2xGTX 285m 1GB in SLI~~
I won't knock OSX, but clearly, the hardware is nothing special at all.[/citation]
You're comparing a thin & light notebook from a reputable company to a desktop-replacement that is big hot and bulky. 1.6Ghz i7 quad isn't exactly fastest i7... its not much faster than the Core2Duo at 2.8~3.0Ghz... and the power & heat from that i7 is much higher.
Apple 17 = 0.98" thick, 6.6 lbs.
Sager 14 = 1.75" thick, 13~15lbs (depending on video cards & drives) that's not a notebook! 6+lbs starts getting heavy. A notebook of this size most likely has a huge PSU.
"hardware is nothing special"
Errr... actually, hardware is important and to compare Sager crap to the likes of Apple, ThinkPads, Dell, etc. Sager is generic Chinese junk, no support, cheap cheap hardware... yes, that Sager is a lot for the money... but the big difference is support and that 6 months or 3 years later, that Apple will still work. Read below...
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Sager
I've worked on some Sagers many many years ago... junk and scam artist. What good is that hardware in a dead computer... Read the shipping payments and scratch issues in that link!
Belardo
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HUh? Guess that link didn't show up...
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Sager
Read that about Sager... that is bad bad business!
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Sager
Read that about Sager... that is bad bad business!
Belardo
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Sorry about this 3rd post... Why buy JUNK no-name computers. Checked out a site that sells a lot of sager/clevo notebooks... how do people find this crap? To save $25~50 typically, for junk.
$3214 for the non-name GTX 285
$2900 for Alienware with 4870x2 - not as fast usually, but some games do run about the same as a 285-sli. Oh yeah, reputable.
$2800 for a ThinkPad-W (17") notebook that goes against Apple (same CPU & RAM).
Notebook gaming benchmarks: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html
Just for fun. (both are: 15" Wide LED 1366x768 / i7-1.6ghz / 4GB DDR3 / 500GB HD)
Sager NP7652 = $1120 ($1310 with 30-day 0-pixel warranty*) ATI 4570
IdeaPad Y560 = $1300 with ATI 5730 (More than double the performance over 4570)
I've never seen any name-brand notebooks with dead pixels by defects, new or a year or so old. Even well-maintained 4+ year notebooks, no dead pixels.
So they offer $200 replacement 30day plan?? Imagine day 35.. dead pixels
No name brand company have to offer such a thing. Usually $200 is a 1~3 year total service enhancement!
So there are no real saving for buying junk. People have enough problems standard brands.
$3214 for the non-name GTX 285
$2900 for Alienware with 4870x2 - not as fast usually, but some games do run about the same as a 285-sli. Oh yeah, reputable.
$2800 for a ThinkPad-W (17") notebook that goes against Apple (same CPU & RAM).
Notebook gaming benchmarks: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html
Just for fun. (both are: 15" Wide LED 1366x768 / i7-1.6ghz / 4GB DDR3 / 500GB HD)
Sager NP7652 = $1120 ($1310 with 30-day 0-pixel warranty*) ATI 4570
IdeaPad Y560 = $1300 with ATI 5730 (More than double the performance over 4570)
I've never seen any name-brand notebooks with dead pixels by defects, new or a year or so old. Even well-maintained 4+ year notebooks, no dead pixels.
So they offer $200 replacement 30day plan?? Imagine day 35.. dead pixels
No name brand company have to offer such a thing. Usually $200 is a 1~3 year total service enhancement!
So there are no real saving for buying junk. People have enough problems standard brands.
Didn't watch any ad's in TV since 2001 and didn't see any in the net since Firefox/adblock so I don't even know those ads.
But from what I heard about it here on the site, it seems not to be a very intelligent way to advertise for a system as it just splits the community and does not get customers from the PC-side.
But from what I heard about it here on the site, it seems not to be a very intelligent way to advertise for a system as it just splits the community and does not get customers from the PC-side.
captaincharisma
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miribus
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I won't miss the ads, they weren't funny, they were misleading garbage.
If anything, they made me have an unfair dislike towards Justin Long, and turn me in to a hater of Apple rather than think of them as an alternative I just didn't want, because it didn't do what I needed.
They should be happy with their niche and embrace it rather than try to compare themselves to Windows in completely dated or untrue ways.
I don't care what the company is, or how much I like them, blatant lies and hypocrisy are just going to turn any intelligent viewer away.
My personal favorite add was the one that made fun of Vista's UAC.
As if having the option to run everything you want, at the cost of some "Are you sure about that?" notices is somehow better than not being able to run it at all, or only "Apple approved" stuff. As if incompatibility pop-ups are much more desirable.
If I wanted more seamless security, and restriction on programs, sure I'll by a MAC... or, just limit my Windows usage and still be perfectly fine, and save money in the process.
The fact that Windows allows you to toy with it, and run virtually any x86 hardware on it at your own peril is NOT A BAD THING.
Compatibility issues, viruses, security, patches, or not, I'm willing to bet it's still easier to run Crysis on a 2 year old Vista machine than it is on OSX. I prefer the former.
I accept Windows' insecurities because it allows me to do what the hell I want. I'll take that over OSX any day.
Congrats to getting Steam and running 6 year old Source-tech games though.
Lets hope it runs well on anything less than a $1700 machine, the price break as far as I can tell from their website that gets you past the 9400M graphics.
I do mean that though, sincerely, more computers, Macs or not, running games instead of consoles is a good thing.
If anything, they made me have an unfair dislike towards Justin Long, and turn me in to a hater of Apple rather than think of them as an alternative I just didn't want, because it didn't do what I needed.
They should be happy with their niche and embrace it rather than try to compare themselves to Windows in completely dated or untrue ways.
I don't care what the company is, or how much I like them, blatant lies and hypocrisy are just going to turn any intelligent viewer away.
My personal favorite add was the one that made fun of Vista's UAC.
As if having the option to run everything you want, at the cost of some "Are you sure about that?" notices is somehow better than not being able to run it at all, or only "Apple approved" stuff. As if incompatibility pop-ups are much more desirable.
If I wanted more seamless security, and restriction on programs, sure I'll by a MAC... or, just limit my Windows usage and still be perfectly fine, and save money in the process.
The fact that Windows allows you to toy with it, and run virtually any x86 hardware on it at your own peril is NOT A BAD THING.
Compatibility issues, viruses, security, patches, or not, I'm willing to bet it's still easier to run Crysis on a 2 year old Vista machine than it is on OSX. I prefer the former.
I accept Windows' insecurities because it allows me to do what the hell I want. I'll take that over OSX any day.
Congrats to getting Steam and running 6 year old Source-tech games though.
Lets hope it runs well on anything less than a $1700 machine, the price break as far as I can tell from their website that gets you past the 9400M graphics.
I do mean that though, sincerely, more computers, Macs or not, running games instead of consoles is a good thing.
captaincharisma
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LOL well at least you didn't say free. another example of someone who wants to get something for nothing and not wanting people to get paid for there hard work
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