Say what you want -- ATi -- Rules

[noko]

Make sure you run villiagemark also. HeHE. Also 32 bit results in 3dmark2000 would represent more on high quality gaming that the Radeon is ment for as well as for the GTS II.

 

[Grizely1]

i promise i will try out that village mark thing or whatever when i get my computer up and running.

-----------------
Satan Clara...... 'Nuff said.

 

[LordKaos]

Actually , i think Nvidia bought the Patents!
Everything else , they didn´t!

Better burn in Hell with some company than freeze in Heaven all alone

 

[Guest]

after all this crap on this topic, i would support rcf84 in a way to prove nvidia is a no brainer. First, nvidia came out with the GF2 Ultra. The card got good frame rates into the hundreds spot. But have bad visual quality and 2d acceleration. All of you might say that it might have a edge over radeon because of its higher frame rate.
Let me ask you a question. CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 90FPS AND 120 FPS ???????? The most probable anwser is no. Radeon have reached frame rates that are smooth and playable and yet have good 2d and visual quality. Nvidia did nothing but vamp on the fps. Who needs 120fps anyways???? what is the point of making it go faster and faster when you won't even see the difference. But visual quality, you can defently see the result of more well blended texture.

 

[LordKaos]

Yeah , maybe !
But as Griz said, you wouldn´t have time to notice the difference if you´re on a fragg fest!
I would like to see your face apreciating the surroundings
and turning to see you chareater eating a rocket!

And think about!
In the future, when the frames are down to 50-60 fps, the Nvida will be fine, but the Radeon will be lagging with 20-30 fps !
Would like to see you playing with that speed!
You could even count the frames one by one, just to pass the time! :-D

Better burn in Hell with some company than freeze in Heaven all alone

 

[Grizely1]

You've obvoiusly never used a card made my nVidia. They don't have "Bad visual quality", as you claim. They have WONDERFUL visual quality, it's very amazing. Just not quite as sharp as the Radeon, and it's so little of a difference it's barely noticable. Please try something by nVidia before you go saying how bad it is.

-----------------
Satan Clara...... 'Nuff said.

 

[ws6]

anyone heard when the 64mb AIW is suppose to be out?

-----------
Chris
ws6@kc.rr.com

 

[noko]

Well consider this, as the complexity (more polygons) and textures go up (larger and more as in 3 per object) the Radeon design (hyper Z, 3 texture pipeline) takes less of a hit than the Nvidia Geforce II series. So the Radeon performance won't dip as much as the Geforce II series. So both will probably be just as playable. If any game duplicates what villiagemark throws at a video card (no developer in there right mind would in the near future) then the Radeon would exceed the Geforce II series. Relistically villiagemark doesn't represent next generation games as far as I see but does show the potential of the Radeon and its design. Games in the future will eventually exceed what villiagemark throws at a card (allot of overdraw) by then we will probably all have different video cards anyways and I will be fighting for Nvidia and LoadKaos may be fighting for ATI, who knows.

 

[noko]

Sharkey did a 2d comparison and here is what they came up with, good read:

<A HREF="http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/articles/super_he_video_shootout_10-00/8.shtml" target="_new">http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/articles/super_he_video_shootout_10-00/8.shtml</A>

<b><font color=blue>ATI Rules!</font color=blue></b> :tongue: (This is childish isn't it? but true?)

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by noko on 02/12/01 02:32 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[noko]

I hope you are right about FSAA, that is good technology that 3dfx developed. They probably had a more advance design for it in the makings. Hope, hope, hope anyways Nvidia could benefit from that technology as well as everyone else. Plus didn't 3dfx have HSR technology also and did they not buy out a company that was doing tile base rendering? So the treasure chest may have indeed been stacked full.

 

[LordKaos]

Very!

Better burn in Hell with some company than freeze in Heaven all alone

 

[LordKaos]

You bet it was!
Why would you think NVidia bout 3DFx out?

To get rid of the lawsuits?

Oh yeah! That too!

Better burn in Hell with some company than freeze in Heaven all alone

 

[noko]

Truthfully I really dont know, I tend to think it is was more of a fast legal solution. If Nvidia fails to take advantage of the outstanding talent that was at 3dfx then Nvidia losses. How do you like the 2d comparison that Sharkey did above. Looks like the Radeon kick some there.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by noko on 02/12/01 07:16 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Grizely1]

i dont think nvidia incorporated too much 3Dfx stuff into the NV20, but in the cards after nv20 i think there will be much more.

-----------------
Satan Clara...... 'Nuff said.

 

[tfbww]

Actually, if you read the nVidia interview on Sharkey's, you'll see that there isn't any 3dfx in the NV20. He was saying it would be a year from now at least. Unfortunate but not suprising.

 

[owais]

I also got a few reasons of my own. I am not a MAC user but I do know that Nvidia kicked ATI in to face by taking over the MAC video cards. That might be a little pain. But there is more. The driver situation. Ive never had an ATI card function properly without updating drivers. That adds a bit more pain. Especially to the support. Besides that, Geforce2 rocks Radeon in about every Benchmark. These aren't my benchmarks however, these happen to be done by the reliable Tom's Hardware. So you tell me, who is the winner?? Nvidia perhaps?

 

[rcf84]

owais SHUT UP!!! the radeon does beat Nvidia in 32-bit w/ Athlon.

First person to get a topic banned. ABIT BP6 Lives FOREVER!!!

 

[Grizely1]

trying to conceal the truth, eh?

-----------------
Satan Clara...... 'Nuff said.

 

[Guest]

Grizzly1, admit the fact i gave up my old Elsa Gladiac(GF2 GTS) for a radeon. Because of dvd support, EMBM, 4 matrix vetex skinnning, and many more. EMBM is a good topic. Nvidia doesn't have it their cards. New games like Giants: Citizen Kabuto and Sacrafice really benifit from EMBM.

 

[noko]

EMBM -> 3 textures -> no slow down or hits -> <font color=blue><b>ATI Rules!!!</b></font color=blue> :tongue:

 

[Guest]

Well Macs suck, so that argument is flushed right down the toilet )

-AMD's are not for the faint of heart... Intels? those are for newbies )-

 

[Guest]

hehe, I just bought a ATI Radeon 32MB DDR with the fan(on chip) and theatre DVD decoder chip missing... DOH!



-AMD's are not for the faint of heart... Intels? those are for newbies )-

 

[rcf84]

ATi gave you a 5year warranty if you signed the card. They will replace it for free.

First person to get a topic banned. ABIT BP6 Lives FOREVER!!!

 

[Guest]

I got it off of www.newegg.com for 85 dollars, free shipping..

think I still have a 5 yr warranty?

-AMD's are not for the faint of heart... Intels? those are for newbies )-

 

[noko]

ahmmmm.....wellll..y..ou..see. WoadKaos, Griezly is going to eat me alive here about service but read below

<font color=blue><b>LE Radeon's, those that do not have a fan on the Radeon heatsink are not made by ATI in Canada.</font color=blue></b> Check out the below link and you will find out that ATI do sell chipsets and these special boards are made in China. Kinda like most stuff at Wal-Mart (Sorry I had to add that in.) Anyways the LE boards seem to be working just fine and the overclocking ability seem to be better than a regular 32mb Radeon board. That is once a fan is added to the Radeon chip heatsink.

<font color=purple>....According to ATI representative, this graphics accelerator isn’t an ATI product at all. As you can see from the photos which appeared on AKIBA, there is no ATI logo on these cards. The cards are distributed and supported by Althon Micro Company.

</font color=purple>
<A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/#981996601" target="_new">http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/#981996601</A>