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[citation][nom]CrashOverride90[/nom]LOL no wonder windows fails...I think windows should learn from linux. [/citation]
What makes you think they don't already know?
You can't look at Windows' design as only |security|. You have to take into consideration the software and user bases. With the amount of root-access-presuming software still out there, and the users' low tolerance for complications, the simple fact is that the limited user account isn't quite ready to be the default for the home PC.

Linux doesn't have this dilemma because the only software for Linux is what the user programmed himself.
 
What is he talking about? As soon as i finished installing 7 it stated I had no AV and no AS. Uac is still there just less annoying and if you turn off the UAC you have issues with such things as gadgets not working.
 
[citation][nom]CrashOverride90[/nom]what do you mean by social engineering??[/citation]
Attacks which try to manipulate the user - the weakest link in all security systems - to help you attack a system, or to provide details of some sort to defraud them. For example, I may call up an office worker pretending to be the systems administrator asking for their password. The user thinks that the sysadmin could possibly need it and so provides it to me. I then have access to the system via this user's account.

Another example is the Nigerian money scams and all those "business proposition" emails that want your bank details. Social Engineering is all about manipulating the vulnerable.

[citation][nom]DominionSeraph[/nom]Linux doesn't have this dilemma because the only software for Linux is what the user programmed himself.[/citation]
You just invalidated your whole post by stating that you haven't used Linux.
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]
You just invalidated your whole post by stating that you haven't used Linux.[/citation]

Well, I'm glad I didn't go with my first choice of hexadecimal/DIP switch hyperbole. The top of your head would've blown off.
 
[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom][citation] When I first installed 7, it didn't support Live Onecare so I went without until the Beta on MSE.[/citation]
I really liked Windows Live OneCare.I know they now give away Windows Security Essentials for free (for XP,Vista and 7) but they cut out some of the extra nice maintenance features out of Live OneCare which is too bad (mistake on their part).
 
So let me get this straight. What Trend Micro is trying to say is that its products doesn't remind the user that their software needs updating, it's up to the OS to do that? So if I installed Trend Micro antivirus and somehow still managed to get infected, I should blame Microsoft?
 
[citation][nom]prathameshdotinfo[/nom]www.charlescorrea.netwww.vivekbhole.comDear CrashOverride90 these 2 are Official sites of 2 Prominent Architects in Mumbai. Not porn sites by any chances. Both of them have malacious code. So u really dont need to visit Porn sites to get infected. Your windows machine can get infected by just about visiting any website. Do use Opera. It warns u in advance.& a average user in Linux need not install a Firewall cause Linux kernel itself is a Firewall. Infact most of the Hardware firewall that u have installed have Linux kernel. By Default Linux has all incomming ports closed except a few. The firewalls available in Linux are just GUI for configuring ports in iptables. They are not the Actual firewalls. U need GUI for iptables like Firestarter if u wish to run servers or use p2p programs like Transmission.[/citation]

I was going to refrain from replying after reading all your posts, but unfortunetly cannot.

You sir, have a serious problem.
1) should go to the Computer Doctor and pull that memory stick out of ur @ss - really.
2) Or you are just that stupid.
3) Or...both of what I stated above.

Thats about all I had to say.
 
[citation][nom]r3t4rd[/nom]I was going to refrain from replying after reading all your posts, but unfortunetly cannot. You sir, have a serious problem. 1) should go to the Computer Doctor and pull that memory stick out of ur @ss - really. 2) Or you are just that stupid.3) Or...both of what I stated above. Thats about all I had to say.[/citation]

LOL i laughed my @ss off after reading your post...
I think prathameshdotinfo really deserved that!
 
[citation][nom]prathameshdotinfo[/nom]80,ooo+ employees can easily make a fix. Point is they are not allowed to. Microsoft is a Big MAFIA of OS. If they come up with a good OS which is as secure as OS then computer maintenance industry will come to Half. Which companies will DIE:1) All AV companies will diminish.2) Anti Malware softwares Companies will disappear.3) All software firewall companies will be wiped out.4) All HDD Defraging Companies will be History.All AMC companies will Suffer. It will be a Big Loss to Software Industry. So if Business has to go on - Let Windows be the Way it is. At the endpoint who suffers.......The END-USER.......[/citation]

ROFL...................!!!!!!!
Guess you forgot to add that all software companies pay the mafia (aka Microsoft) 10% of their shares to letting them stay in business...
 
The most secure OS is one that isn't installed on a computer. The most secure computer, is one that's un-powered, a paper weight. Wait... even better, a disassembled pile of component parts in a card board box. Really, IT Managers and security firms see the security of the computer as paramount, if the user can't do anything, hey... all the better. "We the people"... and you thought I was going to recite the Declaration of Independence! ; Seriously, the users of computers need to have flexibility to use a computer do get out job done in whatever way is most intuitive for each individual person. We are not all going to fall in line with "the collective" and say, "how high" when a security conscious anal retentive geek says how high.
 
Did anyone else notice where he failed to mention that UAC in Vista was a complete waste and bypassed by spyware? I never once saw a UAC notice popup when spyware was installing....
 
I think that you can't please everyone. The UAC was a thorn in many user's and Microsoft tried to help that in Windows 7. I personally did not think it was that much of a problem. But to counter a little of what they say. I think Microsoft has also helped with security by offering a good FREE anti virus solution in Security Essentials. I think this says a lot about how committed Microsoft is to security. Much more then I can say for Apple which seems to have its head in the sand. I don't see security adviser's clamoring about that.
 
I agree...Microsoft has come a long way with security and usability with windows 7. I can now gladly say Windows 7 is the "true" successor after windows XP.

 
More Yam spam about how windows and microsft are evil, suck and "insert your own here". Also wow what a suprise a antivrus company saying windows 7 isnt secure, god get a life!
 
ok but don't forget: since win 7 got out: MS discontinued live one care and got MS security suite witch is actually not bad. Another thing about it is that its absolutely free.

http://www.filehippo.com/download/file/748237c56f0d02636a512e242fe194679401527aab9ce1905c4ae85575423e96/

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Perhaps one of the most asinine things that have ever been said about Win7. That's a bit like complaining that a car doesn't tell you when driving conditions are bad or when a drunk driver is on the same street.

It requires a little brains and common sense to use a computer. If you don't have what it takes... take a hike.

Furthermore, Raimund Genes is basically complaining that Windows 7 doesn't come with an anti-virus. Guess what, Mr. Genes? You are the CTO of an anti-virus company and people *should* purchase anti-virus. No one company can do everything. Windows 7 is one of the *best* OPERATING SYSTEMS in recent history, why doesn't Mr. Genes focus on making a decent ANTI-VIRUS program.
 
Raimund Genes, CTO of security firm Trend Micro - Now this guy is a total DF and he said this only because he is making money from people who would buy AV. Settles it for me, no Trend Micro for me!
 
yep, i don't know wich windows 7 the man tried but i had all messages about security issue, no AV installed, antispywares, firewall, updates.
i use comodo FW&Defense+ and the AV is kaspersky 2010.
those 2 apps are good enough to secure my win7 64bit.
no UAC, windows defender OFF.
comodo is freeware and slaps all others FWs free or shareware.
the FW associated to the defense+ allow you to check what's happening on your machine and control connexions and apps. they have an AV too but i prefere KAV 2010.
then u need some backup tool to save your system often,
i even installed xp pro sp3 on VMware with sandboxie.
so if with all that, u cannot stay safe, disconnect your machine from the internet.
i know you can go on some bad website like the 2 that were posted up in this thread but i tried them and the kav web scanner blocked the first one, and blocked part of the second, both trying to send trojans.
opera blocked the first link but not the second one so it's better to have a web scanner set to the highest level of detection.
files scan is set to low, like mails but web protection needs the highest level of scan.
even with those 2 goods security apps, you're not safe at 100%.
there are always new codes travelling the network,
so a backup system has to be done often, like each day.
nothing can protect you at 100%.
so chose the right security apps and save your system each day.
and good luck cause malwares increased a crazy way since the last 5 years. if u're using P2P, apps that are cracked or keygens, so you ran malwares for sure.
i chosed win7 64 cause of the signed drivers to prevent installation of drivers used by some malwares and cause of the guardian kernel that doesnt allow modifications in system files by malicious apps.
 
i dont know if you read it mr. yam! but you could have checked Raimund Genes claim by installing a win 7, or uninstalling your AV software on win 7 or disabling windows firewall, but you didnt! and that is what i did just now.

windows will notify you with a pop-up exactly with this message: "Windows did not find antivirus software on this computer.\n Find an antivirus program online (Important)"

and about firewall the message is like this: "Windows firewall is turned off.\n Turn on windows firewall (Important)."

i am really really disappointed in tomshardware, it wasnt that hard to check his claim. well, i guess money can change everything! even tomshardware! what is next?! only God knows!
 
There are two ways to work around this problem.
- up Win7's UAC settings one notch: it gets like Vista's.
- disable UAC (!) and use a limited user account, with your admin account locked down with a strong password.

Personally, for those few times I use Windows, I prefer solution 2:
- no more UAC popups
- no more UAC overhead (it is actually very heavy on system resources)
- works with Win7 and Vista, but also XP and 2000 (2k3 users must already know about it)
- as safe as (or even safer than) UAC at Vista's level

The only regret I have, is that even with MS improving its "run as user XXX" options, it still can't match stuff like ksudo, su, sudo or gsudo on POSIX systems for ease of use.
 
Anti-virus programs are over rated and over priced. Virus makers are fast and seem to circumvent them anyway. Some friends come to me when their computers don't work. I turn off autorun and administrator rights. When they come in with a new virus I delete their old account and make a new limited account. This way I get it fixed in a minute. But I am considering to give them Ubuntu, they don't seem learn to not click on those Trojans.
 
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