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[citation][nom]dEAne[/nom]A very unique advertisement - where on earth could a sink be drop on a laptop?[/citation]
it was expected ... upon seeing the coffee, I knew there was a sink on the line
it was expected ... upon seeing the coffee, I knew there was a sink on the line
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[citation][nom]k-rider01[/nom]It's almost the same thing with how you access your daily and everyday email (Yahoo!, GMail, etc)from a Blackberry thingy...[/citation]
Except with those other services you have choice. Don't like the policies of one, then you can easily change to another, one that might treat your data as more than info to be mined for advertising purposes.. Google are using the chrome OS to lock people into their ecosystem, much like apple does with its iPhoneys etc.
Lock-in is NEVER good for the consumer.
Remember, Google is NOTHING more than an advertising company that leverages 'free' services to harvest as much data as possible from you and your online activities, to the end of making money from it. They cannot be trusted any further than any other ad company wanting to get its claws into you and your personal information for their own ends.
Except with those other services you have choice. Don't like the policies of one, then you can easily change to another, one that might treat your data as more than info to be mined for advertising purposes.. Google are using the chrome OS to lock people into their ecosystem, much like apple does with its iPhoneys etc.
Lock-in is NEVER good for the consumer.
Remember, Google is NOTHING more than an advertising company that leverages 'free' services to harvest as much data as possible from you and your online activities, to the end of making money from it. They cannot be trusted any further than any other ad company wanting to get its claws into you and your personal information for their own ends.
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Seriously I don't see why this thing deserves to be called an "OS". It's simply putting all the online applications that Google already into one netbook, that's it! As people have mentioned above, this OS really is nothing but a enhanced browser, I see totally no reason why I should waste all my money on a netbook with just a browser on it. Not okay, Google, not okay....
[citation][nom]KingArcher[/nom]Cloud computing is a form of control. Your data is available for big brother to check anytime they want.Unlike an offline pc.I think cloud based computing is good only to a certain extend.Hope to God that it doesn't become the mainstream THING.[/citation]
He's AWAKE! Thanks brother! I was starting to wonder if this commie, video propaganda wasn't tipped off yet. "Cloud?" Anything that separates you from YOUR data is a threat, liability, and insecure. This especially goes for NON-encrypted "backup" storage. Yes we all have been or are guilty of this major mistake. Yes it's slower and much more time consuming, but if you value your utmost privilege (it is not inalienable) of privacy then you'll use some high-standard encryption.
Sure the cloud provides plenty of seemingly advantageous perks; this is nothing but double-edged marketing propaganda. All based off of Sigmund Freud's nephew's work (search "Edward Bernays Propaganda") which uses psychological, sociological and human behavioral studies to form a complex method of (basically) "brainwashing" people into believe what they are told—a play towards humans emotional-logic vs actual logic.
__The idea is that someone else (heavily downplayed) having your data is "safe," and "more efficient." That industry might want to opt-in to this kind of working model. But anything that's given to you as an advantage can also be made into a very powerful disadvantage. Again this IS going to be back-doored or some how connected to some governmental/marketing/data/info-mining firm. IT HAS TO BE logically. None of these types of groups would allow (yes they control the makers of our laws, so "allow" is correctly applied) that much unique information to not be accessible to them. They've done it before and they are doing it right now; "AT&T spy-room" ring a bell? "Warrant-less wiretapping scandal," or "G00gle CIA/NSA funded." Yes all of these search terms are FACTS of events and linked business connections.
This “cloud computing” is nothing more than the ultimate form of data-insecurity. What happens if there's (get ready, this is classic technique...) "h4ckers” (zomg!) that break into the "cloud" and steal/leak/compromise data etc? Who's to blame then, nope the host surely won't be able to help then, so what if they get fined, INFO already lost! Guess who these "hackers" are, past events have revealed that it's largely in a corps/agency's best interest to pay private groups to commit the criminal act, and then turn over/sell the info to any interested parties. Why wouldn't you? “It's against the law though,” has that really stopped or deterred these constantly reoccurring events—NO. Year after year, more "hacking" or "data breaches" or (my fav) "mistakes" happen and millions of people's idents are out to sea for the pirates.
You're a FOOL (these days esp) if you trust your data outside your direct control. The “benefits” are for your boss and his boss and his boss etc. But where does that leave you; AT THE BOTTOM (!) being CONTROLLED (MORE!)… Haha frighteningly Orwellian huh, or just delusions? Into the ovens ya go—oh like that dream? hrmm...
He's AWAKE! Thanks brother! I was starting to wonder if this commie, video propaganda wasn't tipped off yet. "Cloud?" Anything that separates you from YOUR data is a threat, liability, and insecure. This especially goes for NON-encrypted "backup" storage. Yes we all have been or are guilty of this major mistake. Yes it's slower and much more time consuming, but if you value your utmost privilege (it is not inalienable) of privacy then you'll use some high-standard encryption.
Sure the cloud provides plenty of seemingly advantageous perks; this is nothing but double-edged marketing propaganda. All based off of Sigmund Freud's nephew's work (search "Edward Bernays Propaganda") which uses psychological, sociological and human behavioral studies to form a complex method of (basically) "brainwashing" people into believe what they are told—a play towards humans emotional-logic vs actual logic.
__The idea is that someone else (heavily downplayed) having your data is "safe," and "more efficient." That industry might want to opt-in to this kind of working model. But anything that's given to you as an advantage can also be made into a very powerful disadvantage. Again this IS going to be back-doored or some how connected to some governmental/marketing/data/info-mining firm. IT HAS TO BE logically. None of these types of groups would allow (yes they control the makers of our laws, so "allow" is correctly applied) that much unique information to not be accessible to them. They've done it before and they are doing it right now; "AT&T spy-room" ring a bell? "Warrant-less wiretapping scandal," or "G00gle CIA/NSA funded." Yes all of these search terms are FACTS of events and linked business connections.
This “cloud computing” is nothing more than the ultimate form of data-insecurity. What happens if there's (get ready, this is classic technique...) "h4ckers” (zomg!) that break into the "cloud" and steal/leak/compromise data etc? Who's to blame then, nope the host surely won't be able to help then, so what if they get fined, INFO already lost! Guess who these "hackers" are, past events have revealed that it's largely in a corps/agency's best interest to pay private groups to commit the criminal act, and then turn over/sell the info to any interested parties. Why wouldn't you? “It's against the law though,” has that really stopped or deterred these constantly reoccurring events—NO. Year after year, more "hacking" or "data breaches" or (my fav) "mistakes" happen and millions of people's idents are out to sea for the pirates.
You're a FOOL (these days esp) if you trust your data outside your direct control. The “benefits” are for your boss and his boss and his boss etc. But where does that leave you; AT THE BOTTOM (!) being CONTROLLED (MORE!)… Haha frighteningly Orwellian huh, or just delusions? Into the ovens ya go—oh like that dream? hrmm...
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[citation][nom]KingArcher[/nom]Cloud computing is a form of control. Your data is available for big brother to check anytime they want.[/citation]
... or any hacker or simply any person with access. Then the "form of control" is out of control. If you don't want people to know everything, don't put it on the Internet. The same is true for the cloud, for which we will soon enough see examples of "leaked" data.
It's undeniable though that the cloud makes it easier (provided you have Internet access) for both the user and the hacker. They don't even have to convince you anymore to install their malware on your computer.
... or any hacker or simply any person with access. Then the "form of control" is out of control. If you don't want people to know everything, don't put it on the Internet. The same is true for the cloud, for which we will soon enough see examples of "leaked" data.
It's undeniable though that the cloud makes it easier (provided you have Internet access) for both the user and the hacker. They don't even have to convince you anymore to install their malware on your computer.
[citation][nom]theuerkorn[/nom]... or any hacker or simply any person with access. Then the "form of control" is out of control. If you don't want people to know everything, don't put it on the Internet. The same is true for the cloud, for which we will soon enough see examples of "leaked" data.It's undeniable though that the cloud makes it easier (provided you have Internet access) for both the user and the hacker. They don't even have to convince you anymore to install their malware on your computer.[/citation]
Actually quite the opposite is true. It would take much more than a script kiddie to hack into Google's network to do any sort of mischief, whereas it's much easier for them to hack into their neighbors unencrypted network. One of the main benefactors for consumers to switch to cloud computing is that viruses, trojans, and all that fun stuff will be a thing of the past with Google using state of the art monitoring to avoid such dangers. Obviously privacy is lost, but I'm sure Google will subsidize computers running their OS very well so we'll have some very affordable computers/laptops coming down the line.
I don't see this as a replacement for most desktop PCs however, to me this seems to be more for the laptop/netbook market. Desktop PC users would never accept the lag cloud computing created when having to download whatever data they need access to. Some people spend hundreds on SSD drives, but cloud computing would be like using a failing 5400rpm drive lol
Actually quite the opposite is true. It would take much more than a script kiddie to hack into Google's network to do any sort of mischief, whereas it's much easier for them to hack into their neighbors unencrypted network. One of the main benefactors for consumers to switch to cloud computing is that viruses, trojans, and all that fun stuff will be a thing of the past with Google using state of the art monitoring to avoid such dangers. Obviously privacy is lost, but I'm sure Google will subsidize computers running their OS very well so we'll have some very affordable computers/laptops coming down the line.
I don't see this as a replacement for most desktop PCs however, to me this seems to be more for the laptop/netbook market. Desktop PC users would never accept the lag cloud computing created when having to download whatever data they need access to. Some people spend hundreds on SSD drives, but cloud computing would be like using a failing 5400rpm drive lol
Also, If you think about it from Google's perspective they'd be much more interested in data mining users who buy a laptop/netbook primarily for browsing the web. This type of person had money to spend, whereas the guy wearing an aluminum foil hat in his mom's basement is the last person Google would care to track.
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So my question would be how safe is the data at Google? I can already see people trying to take down the server.
Oh, and my ISP sucks. I don't think I'll be relying on anything cloud for a while.
Oh, and my ISP sucks. I don't think I'll be relying on anything cloud for a while.
The biggest problem with the cloud for me that the speeds and storage space are just not enough for the amounts of data I have. I do have a 50GB Dropbox account, which is enough for the most crucial files, but not everything. Also, uploading 50GB takes forever. I also have a 500GB external drive for backup and taking more data with me when I travel. Then there's the 2.5TB of important, but not crucial data that I store on the internal drives of my desktop system.
When you can easily upload, say 600GB of data in a few minutes, then cloud storage will be viable for me.
When you can easily upload, say 600GB of data in a few minutes, then cloud storage will be viable for me.
[citation][nom]KingArcher[/nom]Cloud computing is a form of control. Your data is available for big brother to check anytime they want.Unlike an offline pc.I think cloud based computing is good only to a certain extend.Hope to God that it doesn't become the mainstream THING.[/citation]
Get a life & start praying instead of worrying about what already happened a long time ago. If you ever pop up on the radar, you've been online. It's all these worries about losing false security that makes people want more false security.
Get a life & start praying instead of worrying about what already happened a long time ago. If you ever pop up on the radar, you've been online. It's all these worries about losing false security that makes people want more false security.
I for one, am not yet ready to trust Cloud Computing for one major reason....
It's already been proven multiple times that Cloud Computing is not yet ready for the Masses as it is still inherently flawed open to hacking.
The following thread over at the Spywareinfoforum.com makes for some good reading on the subject.
Cloud applications are very vulnerable
Thread was started September 11th, 2009 with the
most recent update posted December 17th 2010
It's already been proven multiple times that Cloud Computing is not yet ready for the Masses as it is still inherently flawed open to hacking.
The following thread over at the Spywareinfoforum.com makes for some good reading on the subject.
Cloud applications are very vulnerable
Thread was started September 11th, 2009 with the
most recent update posted December 17th 2010
Hey everybody guess what I just found... MORE evidence of non-"hacking" data-breaches going on today!
"In late October, a routine computer security review uncovered suspicious activity on a university server that contains personal information -- Social Security number, date of birth, and address -- of approximately 760,000 current and former faculty, staff, students, alumni, and others affiliated with the university. Expert cyber consultants were hired, and after a thorough investigation, concluded there was no evidence that any personal information was acquired. However, individuals whose personal information was on the server are being offered 12 months of a credit-monitoring plan at no charge."
Yeah... "free" "MONITORING," yep sign me up! You see what I'm saying here? This is all STAGED and blamed on the ambiguous nature of "hacker," or some other bullcrap. YEAR after YEAR, "hackers," Ooooooh! "Leakers," OMG! "Monitoring by 'US.'" YES MORE! The post TELLS you it's a fraud, how is there "suspicious activity," and then "none found?" There either WAS or their was NOT? See in the security/IT field there's no "sorta," you either FOLLOWED best-practice/legal protocol(s) or you did NOT. Maybe? Click or don't click, login or don't. Access data you KNOW you're not supposed to, or you do. "Mistake" and maybes are clearly spelled out in such environments. It's double-speak going on right in front of you, lmfao!
Some of you get it, most of you continue to see the movie that's being played to you, while you act out your PART as the dumbed-down, uber entertained, no-time-for-"Tin Foil-" talk SHEEP! Yet the same PATTERN of misdeeds continues to recycle and replay, continuing the tightening grip of wealthy/powerful/government enacted CONTROL over the noobed out masses. Geesh...
It's like "Oh hey, I drive a Bentley, so anyone (w/out one) that asks how I got it, or why I have another one at home is Craazy! Call them tin-foil heads if they start asking logical and probing questions that I have not already told you the answer(s) to..."
WHO buys that load of shat?! lmfao most of U GUYS DO! *shrug*
"In late October, a routine computer security review uncovered suspicious activity on a university server that contains personal information -- Social Security number, date of birth, and address -- of approximately 760,000 current and former faculty, staff, students, alumni, and others affiliated with the university. Expert cyber consultants were hired, and after a thorough investigation, concluded there was no evidence that any personal information was acquired. However, individuals whose personal information was on the server are being offered 12 months of a credit-monitoring plan at no charge."
Yeah... "free" "MONITORING," yep sign me up! You see what I'm saying here? This is all STAGED and blamed on the ambiguous nature of "hacker," or some other bullcrap. YEAR after YEAR, "hackers," Ooooooh! "Leakers," OMG! "Monitoring by 'US.'" YES MORE! The post TELLS you it's a fraud, how is there "suspicious activity," and then "none found?" There either WAS or their was NOT? See in the security/IT field there's no "sorta," you either FOLLOWED best-practice/legal protocol(s) or you did NOT. Maybe? Click or don't click, login or don't. Access data you KNOW you're not supposed to, or you do. "Mistake" and maybes are clearly spelled out in such environments. It's double-speak going on right in front of you, lmfao!
Some of you get it, most of you continue to see the movie that's being played to you, while you act out your PART as the dumbed-down, uber entertained, no-time-for-"Tin Foil-" talk SHEEP! Yet the same PATTERN of misdeeds continues to recycle and replay, continuing the tightening grip of wealthy/powerful/government enacted CONTROL over the noobed out masses. Geesh...
It's like "Oh hey, I drive a Bentley, so anyone (w/out one) that asks how I got it, or why I have another one at home is Craazy! Call them tin-foil heads if they start asking logical and probing questions that I have not already told you the answer(s) to..."
WHO buys that load of shat?! lmfao most of U GUYS DO! *shrug*
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They forgot to show the part where he starts receiving ads for pet stores and animal shelters as well as all the spam that will be sent to that email address as a result of Google reading his document stored in their cloud.
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Maybe I am missing something but most PC user passwords are laughably easy to obtain. So all I need to do is get ONE password and I can access all YOUR data? Wonderful, beats hacking email accounts.
Thank you, but I keep my PC/Laptop with TrueCrypt !
Thank you, but I keep my PC/Laptop with TrueCrypt !
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Maybe I am missing something but most PC user passwords are laughably easy to obtain. So all I need to do is get ONE password and I can access all YOUR data? Wonderful, beats hacking email accounts.
Thank you, but I keep my PC/Laptop with TrueCrypt !
Thank you, but I keep my PC/Laptop with TrueCrypt !
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