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OK, the OP punches his laptop LCD that’s a given. Most laptops I have had apart have the Video card or chipset close to the center of the laptop's keyboard right around the area of the laptop "mouse". This is where the OP states the discoloration from heat is. When he punched his laptop the LCD could have shorted out causing damage to his video chipset/card.
If it started before the LCD assault took place, he had a lemon. By damaging his LCD in a fit of youthful rage he has compromised his ability to prove this.
 
Perhaps, not very likely, but entirely possible. However, thats no reason to jump down his throat, rather than trying to help the kid out. I am sure we all made stupid mistakes when we were his age, or will when we get to that age, as may be appropriate.
 
Basically I told him to bend over and take it, learn from his mistakes and shop elsewhere. Look at the number of problems people have had with BB's psp. If it is on file that he damaged his laptop "accidentally" with his fist, does he really think his psp contract is still valid? Those morons at BB probably will throw his laptop on a shelf and call him in 2/3 weeks to come and get it. The only thing they will do is "clean" the dust off of it.
 
I never said they didn't suck. I just said that the problems are most likely unrelated. He will probably still end up screwed, but if you make the right threats, you can usually get your way.

It really doesn't help that he's a kid. Its harder to get taken seriously.
 
Yea, he should have an adult go with him. It's probably best not telling a kid with a known violent streak to make threats in a department store. Are you trying to get him zapped or arrested…? :lol:
 
Basicaly anything P4 based was never meant to be in a notebook.... (I dont care what anyone says, sure they work within the thermal limits when new but get some dust in that little heatsink and watch the fun !)
Also I believe when a CPU overheats it has a tendancy to overheat again even with proper cooling (I need to do some research one this thoery lol)

As for punching his LCD, Heh I dont blame him defective pixel policies back in 2004/5 realy sucked ass some of them wouldnt replace an LCD unless it had like 30 dead pixels LOL

He has a lemon but Sony and Best Buy will not tell him he has a defective machine... If he was to call Sony on the phone he would get the run around even if he directly asked "Is there a thermal issue with my machine ???"

Have you searched google for other people having the same issues ?
Do a search for what model of computer you have and "Thermal shutdown issues" see if some one else has the same issues (I would bet my last dollar thats a huge yes...) You may be covered under a extended warrenty you know nothing about directly from Sony, but you would have to call them directly and ask alot of questions, explain to them that your having thermal issues. (They mayyy have a redisigned heatsink/fan that can actualy fix the issue, also a BIOS update can sometimes help with thermals.)
 
In the middle of the keyboard, top or bottom of the motherboard does not make a difference. The op has stated this is where the heat originates, discolored on both sides. And aren't the processors kept closer to an edge where it is cooler? All the ones I have seen are.
 
LVDS wires send and receive, and connect to the video card/chipset. They can be shorted. The OP states it loves to shutdown during game play, usually a gpu intense activity. He has taken it back twice for an overheating problem, both times thermal paste/grease has been reapplied. His CPU could be fine, his GPU sounds like it is the problem.
 
LCD backlight inverters (depending on LCD) are high voltage, when the op punched his laptop LCD he could have hit it hard enough to cause a short form the backlight to the TFT-array. His GPU probably has a thermal sensor and a built-in shut off safety. LVDS signal wires use electricity as a signal, low voltage but still ELECTRICITY.
A dell Inspiron8100 processor sits on the upper right corner, so not all of them are on the left.
 
First off. He broke it as per discreetly recommended by Best Buy, therefore it is absolutely not fraud. Furthermore, when he broke the screen it was not in a fit of rage, it was done for a purpose, thus it is fair to conclude he did it carefully with the laptop shut off without the battery inside of it. But you never thought of that did you? Since you clearly didnt read what he said, you only assumed he was some hyperactive spoiled brat with a 3000.00 laptop you wish you had (when it was new) that got mad once and punched the screen! If thats the first assumption you make on someone you know nothing about, than you're a straighup ass.

You are really reaching on that one, LOW voltage is just what it says, it is LOW voltage and rediculously low amperage, therefore it would be impossible to damage a GFX unit by something thousands of times weaker than a static charge. Plus, if he had the system off, there would be NO electricity, therefore completely negating your retarded comment (look it up, you really are using retarded logic).

Thus far you have offered no help, but have only made yourself out to be an ass because you believe you are better than him because you never did that. Lets see whats on your HDD if you're so honest and prudent. You can't pick and choose ethics so you can judge someone else. We're all guilty of breaking the system, but in this case, based on this scenario, this man is a victim. He's only 17, and was 14 when he bought it! FFS man, how much spare cash could he possibly have to just suck up a 3000.00 loss. THATS WHY HE BOUGHT THE PSP IN THE FIRST PLACE! To protect his purchase because he cant afford to replace it!

What is rediculous is you taking Best Buy's side, google "best buy psp issues" and you'll get 6,290,000 results!
 
So, you are now retyping the OP’s comments? WTF
Nowhere did the OP state that BB "discreetly" told him to break his laptop. He did it on his own free will, BB would not replace it so he broke it. Sounds like a brat to me. He also did not specify the condition of the laptop when he punched it, how do you know if it was on or not?
Yes LOW voltage vs a HIGH voltage inverter short to the TFT-array, witch gets its signal from a controller board connected with LVDS to the GPU.
If the OP can't afford to replace it, he shouldn't have intentionally damaged it.
My first "assumption" was this guy got screwed, Days later the truth comes out (i punched it 😳 ) If he is a victim it is of his own stupidity.
I could give a Shyt less about BestBuy, the store sucks and their policies suck.

Are you flippn' excited yet?
 
1-The kid did what he had to. NOT because he threw a fit at his laptop, but because it was the only way to have his LCD changed. A calculated move. I'm sure that he was informed by staff at BB, or by reading his policy, that the monitor would be replaced in case of accidental damage.
$3000 for dead pixels?? I would be next in line to do the same.

2- For all we know this issue could have been a result of faulty repair and\or handling of the laptop when the monitor was replaced.

3- We don't really care WHY his laptop is damaged. He has an extended warranty with BB that he paid for. He's entitled to have it repaired\exchanged in compliance with the warranty.

4- Troll elsewhere.
 
For full disclosure, I do work at Best Buy and one thing Im interested in is if the PSP actually covers Accidental damage? I ask because as far as I know Best Buy didn't start offering ADH (accidental) PSPs until last year. I started working there in 2005 and also bought laptops in 2001 and 2003 (both with PSPs) and don't recall there being an accidental plan. The reason I mention this is because if you DIDN'T have an ADH plan then it sounds like Best Buy bent over backwards to take care of your LCD problem which clearly wouldn't have been covered by your PSP. Take a look at your original PSP brochure (the 2004 one not one from 2007, they do change). If Best Buy did cover your broken screen it may have 'fulfilled' the PSP and you really don't have any further coverage. As far as your overheating problem, find the actual problem and it may actually get solved. Everybody here wants to argue and bitch about Best Buy, but any real ideas about whats causing his laptop to overheat? Computers don't overheat because 'best buy suckz'. Is the fan working? Is the laptop being used with proper ventalation? Just going in and saying "It doesn't work, I want my money back." isn't going to get you anywhere. Showing the guy the actual problem (as the OP did on his last visit) will help find what's causing the issue. Just agreeing that 'it's a lemon' is pretty lame from anybody in this forum. What possible solutions may actually fix the computer? If you actually care about helping this kid out and not just bashing the big corporate meanie then try and produce some productive ideas on how to fix the laptop which then can be fixed under his PSP.
 
Ok, So an update of what happened today, I went into the store and i asked for the same guy i was talking to yesterday. He talked to me about the diagnostic and told me nothing happened no overheating and no shutting off, so i got pissed turned it on and ran prime 95 and started "multi tasking" the computer instantly shut off and he insisted it was a power issue because it wasn't plugged in. So we plugged it in and the same thing happened, he then agreed with me that something was wrong and said he was going to send it in to have the whole motherboard replaced, i tried to argue saying that its a health risk and a safety hazard but the computer would not get hot enough while i was at the store for them to believe me :x also i was informed that i only have 1 valid repair (replacing av jack) because the screen they replaced was because of accident damage (I punched it 😳 ). As you guys stated i could argue the thermal paste but that would only leave me with two, so if the computer still has problems after they replace the motherboard i will qualify for a lemon. :?

So...........you punched your laptop............ Was this before or after the overheating problem?
It sounds to me like you have some issues. Grow up, and quit whining. To blame a crap big box store for an "extended warranty problem" that you where stupid enough to buy in the first place and then tell us you are so immature you "punched" your laptop, WTF is wrong with you? You have just nullified your whole "lemon" argument, methinks you are the lemon.
Yo dumbass, sensitive electronics and fists do not go well together.

you need to frickin calm down. the issue at hand is not that he punched the screen but that his laptop overheats. If you don't have anything constructive to say then find a different forum to b*tch at
 
the processors are always to the left and up on the keyboard
this is the best spot away from noise
plus its easy to vent heat there

Sorry, beerandcandy, but mine is up and right (and a celeron in a sony)- unless you mean when the machine is upside down for service access, then its up and left.

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The light source is high voltage....i mean HIGH voltage. Now if that went into the laptop there would no longer be a laptop.

Do you know how much it takes to fire up a CCFL bulb? it varies from light to light but we are talking 900 - 5000 volts of power(in most if not all cases). if that went in to the video card the laptop would be DEAD.

Hey theres a good way to get your third repair :) they can't fix that
 
Wow, all this crap for GhostDragon when he is the only one here sane... amazing.

Well, I know he does not work at BestBuy. How? Because I do, and I circulated a memo asking if anyone going by the name "GhostDragon" was on THG Forums talking to a kid about his Laptop PSP. Maybe the dude never reads Talkback or his email, but Im pretty sure I would of had some response since I posted this immediately on Ghostys comments date.

Anyway, here is the problem: the PSP specifically states the any replacement of the product is to "equivalent technology." That is, they will not replace a P4 computer with a Core 2 Duo. If no equivalent computer exists, then they have to give the OP a computer that is closest in tech to his current machine. Likely that will be an cheapo AMD machine, but still better than his current rig.

Eric54, stop acting like some legal badass. You are not a lawyer, you are not even employed as CS at a big box! I know you can read wikipedia, but so can we all.

To the OP: stop taking everyone's advice, I suspect some of them are just either anarchists or the people who blame corporate anything for their problems.

To get your machine fixed, realize a few things:
they will not replace your machine with a brand spankin new one that is far better
punching that LCD was not a wise idea, because the PSP does not cover damage related to user mis-use (defined in the policy as the user physically damaging the computer by his/herself).
The reason you have not had anything fixed yet is because you kept asking for repairs, not replacement.
You will not win in court against BestBuy. Do you think their lawyers, you know, the students that were better than the State Attorney in school and are now the ones who are higher paid, would allow an insurance document to be drafted with the loophole that you can sue them over this? They too have proof they have done work on your computer, and btw to Eric54, the fact that the OP was out of a computer for any amount of time while under service does not constitute anything that can be legally described as "loss of business," or any other term that says the OP was negatively effected by the time of service. After all, it was the OP who asked for service and besides, Sony is technically the one responsible for the lemon product. BestBuy cannot be responsible for a computer going bad and not being able to magically make it work when in the PSP it says that it may have to go to service and be away from the OP for a while.

So now the steps you, the OP, can take:
1. Go directly to customer service, skip GeekSquad altogether and say you would like an exchange based on your purchase of the Service plan, and that the computer is not working.
2. When they say they will try and fix it, show that it has been in attempt to fix it in four previous incidents. I will ignore that you broke the screen and defrauded BestBuy.
3. At that point, a replacement product needs to be furnished if this attempt to fix it fails. That is the only time in your instance legal action could be taken if they attempt to return the computer to you, unfixed. Because to all my knowledge of the Service Plans, if it cannot be fixed in four instances you get a new one of equivalent technology for free. The PSP money will not be refurbished to you, after all you HAVE taken advantage of the PSP.
*Note*: I am not sure if the new computer will come with a PSP on it by default, due to your owning one that led to the current computers exchange.

And now for some personal baggage, as everyone seems to unload theirs at BestBuy, I will do the same.

BestBuy should stop offering the PSP, and stop offering that stupid 30 day return policy. Right now if you buy something at BestBuy you can return it for any reason in 30 days(with the exception of unopened software and some other items, which have 14 days).

The problem is customers who think because BestBuy is some huge corporation that it will "take care of them" in ways small stores would not. Take last week:
A woman purchased a TV stand and it did not come with all the correct parts (it had to "5" parts instead of a "6" and a "5"). She contacted BestBuy and asked if WE would replace it. Why would BestBuy replace it? Its not our fault that the manufacturer did not put the right parts in the box!

Anyway, we told her that she can call the manufacturer and they will send her the right part for free, that is straight from the user manual. Or she could return the whole thing and we will give her a new one (we can send the old one back for service and either get compensated by the manufacturer or get the problem fixed). But no.

She wanted to build the stand "today," so she would not bring it back. She wanted BestBuy to take the fall for what the stand maker, Bush Industries, had done. Now why we would take the fall for someone else, why BestBuy would lose money just because of someone elses mistake, I do not know.

But we ended up doing it anyway because she bitched enough.

Or another example: A man bought a JVC head-unit for his car, and we installed if for him. Well when we fired it up, the unit smoked and burned out. So we gave him another one, free of charge, and installed it, free of charge (we were going to bill JVC for the faulty unit, which had not left the store yet). Then we installed the next one, and IT burned up. Shoot, what? So then we gave him a THIRD unit. Thats right, number three, and IT burned up.

So we said to him "listen, this is a product problem, they are new, and we have never had this problem before." So our services manager went above and beyond by giving him OUR FLOOR UNIT, of a better model! The customer had paid $150 for the unit but he was going to walk out the door with a $220 unit from Pioneer! Ipod ready! The unit worked grand (Pioneer brought tears to our eyes with its ownage), and he was happy, we were happy, hell the installer was near orgasm (he did the install the same as the JVC units and it was not his workmanship after all).

Then the dudes wife came in. And hell opened up. She claimed we had sold her husband a stolen unit (because there was no box). After an hour of "talking" to her (more like us trying to be civil and her cursing, yelling, and driving fingers at our chests), we offered to refund all the money, even the install. But we'd take all of our stuff back, the head unit, the mounting bracket, everything. And we would reinstall all the stock stuff.

Nope. Not good enough for this bitch. She wanted us to refund her money and she was keeping the head unit! Why this would ever happen in the world, where she got the idea that any store would refund the money without repossessing the goods, is beyond me. We told her this.

So then she goes outside, grabs some cardboard and writes "BestBuy ripped me off" on it. She proceeds to stand on our property and yell that to everyone that passes by. Well she cannot protest on private property, but she has all rights to do so from the street corner, as that is public. Nope, she would not do that. So we called the cops and she then took off. A few days later I saw her post on bestbuysux.com

WTF is wrong with people like that? Worse, I have to deal with them every day. I work in the Home Theater department in Liberty, MO. And everyday someone thinks that BestBuy should reward him/her for either their own neglect or we should take a shot to the leg because of something that went wrong with a TV when its the manufacturers fault. I had one woman on Thursday complain that a TV she purchased 8 months ago was not working and BestBuy would not take a return. Or sure, lets just let everyone use the TV for a few months, return it and buy another one. BestBuy would not make a dime if that was possible.

Hell, years ago there was no such thing as a return policy on a TV. You bought it and any trouble was between you and the manufacturer. There are still smaller stores in existence with this same policy: you buy it, its your problem unless WE break it while putting it in your car. People should be happy BestBuy is different AT ALL from those guys.

I really hate the people who think they buy a TV and they should get money off the sticker price, even if its already on sale. A little truth for ya: its been decades since a TV was made in China for $20. And that is especially true about Plasma and LCD tvs. Want to know how much we make on the TV?

I'll give it to you straight: the most any TV in the whole company actually makes us is $750. Thats on the Sony XBR line, and only on the larger TVs. In LCDs, the average is $257, and on Plasmas, the average is $300.

There you go, there are BestBuys margins. "Your still making $300!" you may say. Well I will tell you to go f!ck yourself if you think we are fleecing you then. We are a BUSINESS, businesses have to make money. And that $300 is not AFTER expenses either: that is just the difference between what we buy it for and what it sells for. Everyone in that store needs paid, so do the truckers who bring us the stuff and the people in the offices (the vast majority of which are NOT millionaire CEOs). We have to advertise, to market and to pay taxes.

BestBuy also offers lots of benefits, TONS of them in fact. It has to pay for employee stock purchase: if an employee buys stock in Bestbuy, the company will (at the time of sale) knock 15% off the purchase price out of its own money. So if I buy stock at $50 and then 6 months later (the maturity date, Bestbuy is not going to let you just buy and sell immediately), even if the stock only went up say a dollar, Bestbuy will refund me 15% of $50. ALL employees can take advantage of this.

It also offers 50% matching on a 401k for ALL employees up to a few thousand dollars, then 8 cents on the dollar after that. That is FREE MONEY BestBuy gives its employees for retirement.

It also offers full time employees at ANY LEVEL health benefits, including dental (ever wonder why the people in our commercials have such good teeth?). Oh yeah, thats another thing: all our commercials are produced internally, the people you see there are actual Bestbuy employees, either studying at the Minnesota Campus OR actual retail level people.

$300 a TV does not sound like a lot anymore huh? No, its not. Bestbuy makes money attaching services like our installs (which while valuable to the consumer, only cost us hourly labor) and accessories like cables or DirecTV service. And just because we make more money on the cables does not mean they are not worth it: ask anyone who has ever had Monster cables and they will tell you its worth the money. Compared to Acoustic Research, Rocketfish (our own instore brand) or anyone else for that matter). DirecTV and cable companies pay BestBuy to sign you up for their service as well: you may get $150 off a TV for DirecTV (getting the same programming and pricing DirecTV would give you directly), but BestBuy gets a $250 kickback.

All of that and remember: we do not sell 15 of these a day. More like 2 or 3.

And just try buying it for less at a smaller store. Online stores notwithstanding, some people still argue that small stores have better deals if you buy it all at once from them. Wrong. I've done the comparisons myself. Sure, BestBuy maybe will not give you a package deal, but small stores prices are higher to start, then they take off the extra money and it usually comes out roughly the same as Bestbuys lower prices already were or its HIGHER! Only in two cases in the KC area have I found small stores that would sell me the exact same stuff at a lower price for buying it all there at once. Two. Both of them only after tons of haggling.


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Wow, that rant was absolutely huge. Sorry, I guess I had a lot of venting to do.
 
Thought about writing a BestBuy novel...even tho ,you have some intresting insight to there business practices(or what a person at your level is inclined to know).Facts as they are,I believe that if the OP complains enough...He/She will get satisfaction,and IMO will get it reguardless if Best Buys bottom line is involved or not.p.s. The egg is still highly competitive and dosent have the overhead to pass on 😀 .
 
Thank you, that was both fun to read and full of useful information.

Personally I enjoy buying stuff from BestBuy (and its smaller brother FutureShop - in Canada they are the same company) and I never had a bad experience with them.

I agree they should stop selling PSPs. Lots of personal finance books recommend that customers refuse them anyway because:

a) a good product won't need it because it won't break - do some research instead
b) you can't enforce it because there's too much small print

The OP has my sympathy and I hope things work well for him, but nevertheless he can't expect a full $3000 refund for a computer that would be worth $400 or less these days even if it were perfectly good and brand new. Maybe BestBuy should offer to buy back the computer from him for whatever the fair market price is now for those specifications (just guessing, $400?). For example I spent $3000 for a Pentium 3 computer in 2000, I still have it, it still works, but I doubt I could sell it for $3000.
 
That is not the way the PSP works and if BestBuy were to buyback the computer, I am sure we'd have to put hte OP on either a suppliers list or some such. BestBuy can be just as scrutinized as Wal-Mart for its suppliers you know, and this company does not need that.

I only think we should stop selling PSPs because it creates both lots of hassle for employees and customers and it can lower our reputation as a retailer. And that is not BestBuys fault, the PSP is actually not a half bad idea, but its that SOOOO many people are dumbasses that it makes us look bad because they are dumb.

Another example: I had a guy tell me he would not buy the PSP because if the TV was going to last that long, why wouldn't it already be on there? He said it was just a windfall because we knew the TV would last that long.

BULLSHIT. Bestbuy is the one offering that service plan, not the manufacturer. The manufacturer usually only offers 1 year on the TV. We can offer 4 years because we know that its basically insurance: not everyone will need to use it, but the people who do get value from it. And I do have people who get the service plan and indeed it pays off: maybe once every too days we get a customer whose TV broke, we fixed it four times and its still bad, so they come and get another one on our dime. Instead of costing the customer maybe another $2000 for the TV, its only the $250 for the plan. Does that cost BestBuy money to do that? Yes, but we do make some money because not everyone needs to replace the TV, usually it only takes a few minor repairs, which still is cheaper than paying $100 to nearly $200 for a repair guy for a Plasma TV.

But like I said, the problem is so many people are skeptical thanks to some shady used-car dealers or the few small businesses who offer those and have made sure they rarely have to honor them. BestBuy, as I have said, does not honor every PSP due to the customers neglect (one tried to have us replace her TV because she RAN IT OVER, how the hell you do not see a box for a 50" plasma is beyond me). I have not yet in the 6 months of day-to-day work seen a case where someone was geniunely screwed out of their money by a PSP. We tell everyone when they buy it: we will replace the item but not for another $3000 or whatever item, just for an item of equivalent technology (again, thats still cheaper to get the PSP then by another item).

I had one guy who had bought a $3200 Daiwoo Plasma complain that his $350 service plan was only going to get him a $1500 Maxent Plasma 3 years later. Sorry, we told you then! The fact your to much a dumbass to understand that is not our problem.

As to Newegg.com, where do you think I got the parts for this machine? Newegg kicks BestBuy's ass through and through. Unless you are an inexperienced computer newb, there is no reason to buy a assembled PC, when the parts for the same machine can be had for 3/4s the price and its cheaper. Hell, even with my sick employee discounts and manufacturers accomodations, I still got it cheaper there.

Thats right, a BestBuy employee endorsing Newegg! I wonder if they want to use this as advertising? 😀
 
The screen was already replaced two years ago, I don't see how the screen has anything to do with a computer overheating two years later and for that matter i will not have the laptop in my hands for another two weeks, so thank you for everyone who was trying to give advice other then flame like retards. As for my laptops battery, it is not on the recall list.