Synergy6
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In short, what *are* you babbling about?
Only 50% of people here know how to OC? This is a hardware enthusiast site, of which one large part of is overclocking. So I would dispute the figure. However, even if people don't know how/want to OC, it doesn't hurt to skip by the relevant section. Also, it shows them what the potential is, if they decide to take it up with the help of this site.
99.999% of people don't use *every* feature on their motherboards. That's a fact of life, unless you get it custom made it's not going to be a perfect fit. However, I fail to see what relevance this has to.. anything.
You've just admitted eSATA appeals to perhaps 5% (a rather optimistic figure) of the market, yet you want the awards to REQUIRE it? What are you smoking? Why should the awards be given or retracted based on a feature >95% of those who read the article have no use for? NB: I didn't say the whole market, I said "those who read the article".
As for Firewire... are you being paid to push it? Furthermore, what on *earth* does your forum "rank" have to do with how many Firewire devices you know of? As with eSATA, just because you have an interest in a technology doesn't mean the awards should revolve around your needs.
Yes, the article is about extremes. All I can say is, if you think a *Firewire port* is the extreme, you need to look a bit harder. The car analogy is similarly bizarre.
Synergy6
Only 50% of people here know how to OC? This is a hardware enthusiast site, of which one large part of is overclocking. So I would dispute the figure. However, even if people don't know how/want to OC, it doesn't hurt to skip by the relevant section. Also, it shows them what the potential is, if they decide to take it up with the help of this site.
99.999% of people don't use *every* feature on their motherboards. That's a fact of life, unless you get it custom made it's not going to be a perfect fit. However, I fail to see what relevance this has to.. anything.
You've just admitted eSATA appeals to perhaps 5% (a rather optimistic figure) of the market, yet you want the awards to REQUIRE it? What are you smoking? Why should the awards be given or retracted based on a feature >95% of those who read the article have no use for? NB: I didn't say the whole market, I said "those who read the article".
As for Firewire... are you being paid to push it? Furthermore, what on *earth* does your forum "rank" have to do with how many Firewire devices you know of? As with eSATA, just because you have an interest in a technology doesn't mean the awards should revolve around your needs.
Yes, the article is about extremes. All I can say is, if you think a *Firewire port* is the extreme, you need to look a bit harder. The car analogy is similarly bizarre.
Synergy6
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The most difficult part is, of the three ~$150 boards:
1.) The Abit has a screwy layout and only 1 PCIe x16 compatible slot
2.) The MSI has two x16 compatible slots, but only one network connector
3.) The Gigabyte DS3 has only one x16 compatible slot, only one network connector, the suckier southbridge, AND is cramped around the CPU cooler.
That leaves #1 and #2 for choices. According to forum guys, the Abit goes around 50MHz farther on bus speeds than the MSI.
I guess it just sucks having a $150 budget. Then again, the DQ6 cost about the same as the Asus board and it doesn't have dual gigabit either, WTF!
1.) The Abit has a screwy layout and only 1 PCIe x16 compatible slot
2.) The MSI has two x16 compatible slots, but only one network connector
3.) The Gigabyte DS3 has only one x16 compatible slot, only one network connector, the suckier southbridge, AND is cramped around the CPU cooler.
That leaves #1 and #2 for choices. According to forum guys, the Abit goes around 50MHz farther on bus speeds than the MSI.
I guess it just sucks having a $150 budget. Then again, the DQ6 cost about the same as the Asus board and it doesn't have dual gigabit either, WTF!
I don't completely agree. I think they should have chosen a later cut-off date for the bios revisions, as on a lot of these boards significant changes have been made, i.e. 3 or 4 revisions including betas. The cutoff date was apparently late September. You can't tell me it takes a little more than a MONTH to benchmark a few motherboards and hammer out some text to go with the pretty pictures. Ridiculous. 2 weeks would have been more acceptable, that should be plenty of time to run the benches, write the text, get a quick edit, etc. I think it paints an incomplete and possibly inaccurate picture of the 965 options currently available. Furthermore, the introduction of the 680i chipset last week completely changes the equation when it comes to performance motherboards. The depth of the article was good, as it usually is here, but seriously guys, work a little faster or something.
Anoobis
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This article was written by one of the most knowledgeable freelance (IIRC) writers on the web when it comes to tech related data and he knows a hell of a lot more about hardware than you think. You think this is the only article he was working on at the time? I read he had been working on at least two other reviews at the same time as this one. It's easy to judge from such a narrow perspective and point out what you think is wrong but you don't have all of the details so I wouldn't be so quick with the harsh accusations.
Ooops, Crashman beat me to it
Ooops, Crashman beat me to it
No, I understand that he's busy, but why the delay posting it? I mentioned that the article is very good and possesses great depth, but unfortunately it IS outdated, there's simply no getting around that. I don't think it's too harsh for me to expect Tom's to be quicker on the draw, it's their job! I've always liked the site and the quality of the reviews, but this is an issue they need to address. Normally it's not as big of a problem, but in this specific case, I think some of this information might be a bit misleading due to the glut of 965 based mobo bios revisions that have been introduced.
I'm not trying to stir up a hornet's nest here. Anoobis, I never in any way attacked the technical competence of the article's writer, it is clear that he knows more than enough to do his job. I'm also sure he was probably working on more than one article, though I'd need confirmation from the source to be sure. But if it's gotten that bad, isn't it time for THG to possibly hire some new reviewers? This is an industry where things change significantly on a week-by-week basis. The bottom line is that I'm kinda peeved that Anandtech already posted a decently thorough review of the 680i, and a week later THG finally gets around to posting on the 965. I like this site better, and I simply hoped they'd be more up-to-date.
I'm not trying to stir up a hornet's nest here. Anoobis, I never in any way attacked the technical competence of the article's writer, it is clear that he knows more than enough to do his job. I'm also sure he was probably working on more than one article, though I'd need confirmation from the source to be sure. But if it's gotten that bad, isn't it time for THG to possibly hire some new reviewers? This is an industry where things change significantly on a week-by-week basis. The bottom line is that I'm kinda peeved that Anandtech already posted a decently thorough review of the 680i, and a week later THG finally gets around to posting on the 965. I like this site better, and I simply hoped they'd be more up-to-date.
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Size wise, Chips are two classes down from the big teams. Still, they manage to get around 2 games a year against them. When they win, nobody notices.
I don't even keep track, so I was surprised a couple years ago when I heard at the end of a game that Chips beat Ohio State. I walked around campus and said "hey, how about that game" and everyone said "what game". Heck, even when I said "Chips v Ohio State" they looked at me funny "We played Ohio State?"
I don't even keep track, so I was surprised a couple years ago when I heard at the end of a game that Chips beat Ohio State. I walked around campus and said "hey, how about that game" and everyone said "what game". Heck, even when I said "Chips v Ohio State" they looked at me funny "We played Ohio State?"
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LMFAO tomshardware just got PWNED by a "stranger" on his FIRST post!
Thats how low the quality of the site has fallen...
The only thing I got from that review was that cool picture of all the motherboards stacked up... :roll:
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Better not to write anything at all then.This article was written by one of the most knowledgeable freelance (IIRC) writers on the web when it comes to tech related data and he knows a hell of a lot more about hardware than you think. You think this is the only article he was working on at the time? I read he had been working on at least two other reviews at the same time as this one. It's easy to judge from such a narrow perspective and point out what you think is wrong but you don't have all of the details so I wouldn't be so quick with the harsh accusations.
Ooops, Crashman beat me to it
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Ok I am confused. So the P965 is that newer chip even though it has a lower number than the 975???
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