[SOLVED] Should I buy a new GPU or a new a CPU

[m2net]

Hi all,

I saved some money for upgrading my Gaming Computer, i have now a I7-7700 with a GTX 1070.

I wanted to make a partial upgrade now, my budget allow me to either buy :

• Nvidia RTX 2070
• I5-10600F + Motherboard B460M AORUS PRO ( for the new CPU )

What do you suggest guys ? I need to buy one choice, so i can play some of the upcoming games without problems ( Cyberpunk, Black Ops, Valhalla,...)

 

[m2net]

well i'm very limited on choices, the only other motherboard i found in the same budget is the ASUS PRIME Z490-P

 

[RTX 2080]

well i'm very limited on choices, the only other motherboard i found in the same budget is the ASUS PRIME Z490-P

Seems like a good choice.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Why? Because it's ASUS? Is there some review or video showing that board has any better configuration than these other budget offerings? Because the Z490-P is an even cheaper board than the UD or Pro4, so I'd be even more surprised if that board was any better at that price point. Looks like the bottom line is that most these boards are simply not capable enough, because the manufacturers didn't intend them for use with these higher end (Even i5's) models just like the same manufacturers did with a lot of the X570 mid and low tiered motherboards.

IDK what to say really here but if you have to pay 200 dollars for a motherboard from any given chipset family just to get a VRM configuration that is capable of supporting mid tiered CPUs from that generation, then there is a problem across the board, industry wide, with unacceptable design and pricing. This can't just be a 'Rona related thing because the prices on many of the AMD boards and some of the power supplies has already started coming back down to more reasonable levels.

Personally, I think that the 10th Gen Intel offerings and it's motherboards, are for spit, and you know that isn't the word I wanted to use.

 

[m2net]

Why? Because it's ASUS? Is there some review or video showing that board has any better configuration than these other budget offerings? Because the Z490-P is an even cheaper board than the UD or Pro4, so I'd be even more surprised if that board was any better at that price point. Looks like the bottom line is that most these boards are simply not capable enough, because the manufacturers didn't intend them for use with these higher end (Even i5's) models just like the same manufacturers did with a lot of the X570 mid and low tiered motherboards.

IDK what to say really here but if you have to pay 200 dollars for a motherboard from any given chipset family just to get a VRM configuration that is capable of supporting mid tiered CPUs from that generation, then there is a problem across the board, industry wide, with unacceptable design and pricing. This can't just be a 'Rona related thing because the prices on many of the AMD boards and some of the power supplies has already started coming back down to more reasonable levels.

Personally, I think that the 10th Gen Intel offerings and it's motherboards, are for spit, and you know that isn't the word I wanted to use.

If I'm gonna go with the Ryzen 7 3700X ( or 3800X), would you recommend MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, GIGABYTE X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING or Gigabyte X570 UD ?

 

[RTX 2080]

If I'm gonna go with the Ryzen 7 3700X ( or 3800X), would you recommend MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, GIGABYTE X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING or Gigabyte X570 UD ?

I would personally recommend the MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS

 

[madmatt30]

Why? Because it's ASUS? Is there some review or video showing that board has any better configuration than these other budget offerings? Because the Z490-P is an even cheaper board than the UD or Pro4, so I'd be even more surprised if that board was any better at that price point. Looks like the bottom line is that most these boards are simply not capable enough, because the manufacturers didn't intend them for use with these higher end (Even i5's) models just like the same manufacturers did with a lot of the X570 mid and low tiered motherboards.

IDK what to say really here but if you have to pay 200 dollars for a motherboard from any given chipset family just to get a VRM configuration that is capable of supporting mid tiered CPUs from that generation, then there is a problem across the board, industry wide, with unacceptable design and pricing. This can't just be a 'Rona related thing because the prices on many of the AMD boards and some of the power supplies has already started coming back down to more reasonable levels.

Personally, I think that the 10th Gen Intel offerings and it's motherboards, are for spit, and you know that isn't the word I wanted to use.

I think the issue is there's been a complete reversal between amd and Intel when it comes to power draw on the cpu's.

The old power hungry amd am3+ cpu's needed way better vrm setups than their intel counterparts, this has now taken a complete turnaround.

The pro 4 boards are absolutely rock solid even for ryzen 7 cpu's, just shows how hot, power hungry and inefficient intel cpu's are now comparitively when the vrm setups on the pro 4 boards are virtually identical irregardless of chipset.

 

[m2net]

I think he issue is there's been a complete reversal between amd and Intel when it comes to power draw on the cpu's.

The old power hungry amd am3+ cpu's needed way better vrm setups than their intel counterparts, this has now taken a complete turnaround.

The pro 4 boards are absolutely rock solid even for ryzen 7 cpu's, just shows how hot, power hungry and inefficient intel cpu's are now comparitively when the vrm setups on the pro 4 boards are virtually identical irregardless of chipset.

i won't worry about power supply right now, i got a 850W Gold 80+, for the temp, i don't have water-cooling that's right, but a good number of fans ( especially because they are cheap lol )

from what i get of this conversation, i can say that the i5-10600K should be paired with a GOOD motherboard, which are really expensive in my case, this cpu also come without a Fan cooler

For the Ryzen 7 i found, it comes with a fan cooler, and the choice of motherboard is not wide as for the intel chipset

I really wanted something future proof, so at least i can save later for a GPU, and be able to keep playing for some years ( 3 maybe ? )

I won't say that i'm completely lost, but i'm really stunned by the high prices and the vaste choices, that some of them are not even good

 

[alceryes]

Intel still has a slight edge in all-around gaming performance. However, this may change with the next gen CPUs.
You can definitely get more 'bang for your buck' on the AMD side of the fence. Especially where number of cores are concerned.
Truthfully, 'now' is a horrible time to buy a new CPU or GPU. The holiday buying season is right around the corner, as are new GPUs and CPUs from Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA. Even if you don't want the latest and greatest, the new chips coming out will push down the prices of the current top-o'-the-line products.
As far as upgrading one or both goes, I never upgrade both my CPU and GPU in one shot. It's usually the whole system minus the GPU or just the GPU. Kind of like Intel's tick-tock model. Unless you are horribly bottlenecked, the GPU will always net you the largest gaming performance improvement.

 

[RTX 2080]

i won't worry about power supply right now, i got a 850W Gold 80+, for the temp, i don't have water-cooling that's right, but a good number of fans ( especially because they are cheap lol )

from what i get of this conversation, i can say that the i5-10600K should be paired with a GOOD motherboard, which are really expensive in my case, this cpu also come without a Fan cooler

For the Ryzen 7 i found, it comes with a fan cooler, and the choice of motherboard is not wide as for the intel chipset

I really wanted something future proof, so at least i can save later for a GPU, and be able to keep playing for some years ( 3 maybe ? )

I won't say that i'm completely lost, but i'm really stunned by the high prices and the vaste choices, that some of them are not even good

I think the simplest way to sum it up is that when it comes to gaming performance, Intel has the best CPUs IF you have a lot of money to spend. If you can't afford one of their top processors and a good motherboard and a good CPU cooler to tie it all together, you're better off buying something from AMD which will perform better per dollar spent in basically every scenario.

These days, if you want to go Intel, you have to really commit for it to be worth it in any sense. AMD will be the best choice for 90% of people (until Intel steps up their game).

 

[Phaaze88]

The Z490-P actually has a better VRM on it than the Z490 Pro4.
Asrock got lazy this time around.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I think the issue is there's been a complete reversal between amd and Intel when it comes to power draw on the cpu's.

The old power hungry amd am3+ cpu's needed way better vrm setups than their intel counterparts, this has now taken a complete turnaround.

The pro 4 boards are absolutely rock solid even for ryzen 7 cpu's, just shows how hot, power hungry and inefficient intel cpu's are now comparitively when the vrm setups on the pro 4 boards are virtually identical irregardless of chipset.

And this is from Intel trying to eek out a last ditch grab at retaining whatever market share it can in this segment while still sitting fat on it's 14nm process. It's pathetic. This process should have been moved past three years ago, at the minimum.

 

[Darkbreeze]

The Z490-P actually has a better VRM on it than the Z490 Pro4.
Asrock got lazy this time around.

According to WHO?

 

[Phaaze88]

According to WHO?

I linked it earlier. It was tested with a 10900K and a 10600K. Unless there's some odd temperature reporting going on, the Pro4 does run hotter than the Z490-P.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdgNEXpBrfg

 

[Darkbreeze]

I think I'd have to see confirmation of those findings from a second source. The differences are just too expansive considering the discrepancies in clock speeds and some boards running on Intel spec by default while others are running at manufacturer optimized spec by default. It wouldn't be the first time that that guy had findings on a series of motherboards that turned out to be pretty questionable OR were completely reversed via later BIOS updates.

But it certainly isn't encouraging either.

 

[Phaaze88]

Okey-dokey!
That one will reveal itself in time, since people are gonna buy it anyway.