Shouldn't you be outraged by bioshock?

[Stevemeister]

The problem with having to uninstall the game before you can get a "credit" is if your hard drive with the game on it crashes you may not be able to uninstall it. I had this issue installing windows on a brand new computer but one with a faulty hard drive. It took me about half a dozen attempts to install before I figured out my hard drive was duff. I got a new drive but had to call the MS India helpline to get a new key to allow installation/activation.

 

[casemods]

$10 says I can play the full game free.

 

[spuddyt]

just don't tell any game developers your address

 

[snyderm]

In my original post, I asked the question, "where is the outrage?". Well, since that time, the official 2k servers went back online, and I was able to view their forums and look to see if there was any outrage.

As it turns out, its a freakin' zoo at 2k. People are up in arms in a big way. Not only does it require online registration every time you install, it also installs a little copy protection service called securom (or something like that). It does not uninstall when you uninstall bioshock.

Fortunetly, I now know that I am not the only one who is angered at these tactics, so now I feel a lot better. 2K games will probably not suceed in business any longer if their business practices rely on the fact that the public is stupid. The public is not stupid. When their servers crashed, it brought to light all of thier flaws in a big way. In light of this, it will be difficult for them to insist nothing is wrong.

Perhaps I was the one without faith in the public. Not any longer.

 

[emp]

Yeah, this is why the cracked release is going to be the thing that "fixes" Bioshock in my opinion, since this is just too bothersome. I've been reading that people are extremely close to cracking it already (having half working cracks), and even though I'm thinking of buying Bioshock sometime in the upcoming 2 weeks, I'm definitely downloading the cracked version and using that instead.

Guess that would be considered half legal or something, but I don't invasive crap like that on my system.

 

[bash007]

I'll probably just buy the game, but download the cracked version.
I mean sure they screwed up with this, but in this day and age, where most games for pc are made out of crap, and the only games pc gamers buy are crappy monthly-pay online games, which leads to the total lack of decent single player games, I think a game like this should be supported and bought so that more games like that are developed.
2K really screwed the consumer with their "protection" BS (by now I think already know they screwed up) but then again, they did make an effort to make a great game.

 

[fender22]

Hmm, I'm really not digging this, and I was really looking forward to this game..

So do you guys think that this will end settling down, with 2k fixing this total blunder? If I was to purchase the retail version now, would I be secure for free usage in the future?

Also, how does downloading a cracked version after purchasing the retail, help your situation? Is it cause you can use your key without it counting it? I don't quite get this part.. Plus it seems kinda sketch in terms of legality....

 

[BomberBill]

Am I the only one one who is angered beyond words that bioshock requires you to register the game online? Why would a single player *only* game require internet access on your video game machine?

It really isn't a big problem for me, as I have internet access, and the patch wasn't too big. But what I am concerned about is that no one has a problem with this, on principle. I even hear that you are only allowed 2 activations, and they shut off your serial number, and you have to buy another copy. Every one of us that bought this game should return it immediately, and post on forums that this game should be avoided at all costs. If we continue to tell game Distributors that this behavior is okay, can you even imagine how bad we are going to be exploited in the future? I mean for god's sake, we BOUGHT the game, but we don't own it. If we upgrade our motherboard or hardrive, we have to buy the game again. If we lose our hardrive due to a virus or something like that, we have to buy the game again. IT IS NOT F*ING NECESSARY FOR US TO REGISTER ONLINE.

Are you people going to continue to allow your self to be exploited and insist on acting like gerbils?

Please understand, I am not arguing the game is bad. I remember Half-Life 2 was excellent, but Steam was such an aggrivation that to this day, I still cannot think about it without my blood pressure rising about how many problems steam created for me. Thats how bad it was.

Someone really needs to change the course of how we are beginning to be treated as a consumer. Why is there no outrage?

Don't be stupid. This was the the way of smart software from years ago: register online, or the product fails.

 

[Mousemonkey]

As it's a single player game the only thing you really get after parting with your hard earned cash is a DRM coated shafting from 2K because once you are done playing you will still have the SecuROM rootkit nestling on your HDD buggering up any virtual drive software and maybe even reporting you to any authorities that it feels need to be informed of your activities, No way!, you say, maybe not now but this is how it starts folks. You will be watched, you will be monitored and ultimately you will be controlled.

 

[emp]

Hmm, I'm really not digging this, and I was really looking forward to this game..

So do you guys think that this will end settling down, with 2k fixing this total blunder? If I was to purchase the retail version now, would I be secure for free usage in the future?

Also, how does downloading a cracked version after purchasing the retail, help your situation? Is it cause you can use your key without it counting it? I don't quite get this part.. Plus it seems kinda sketch in terms of legality....

By buying the retail version you are supporting the developer on a great game where their only screw up was the protection, and by using the cracked version you no longer have to worry about crap protection methods, basically using the game the way it should've been used.

 

[xrodney]

Seriously,people make me laugh..It took them at least 3 yrs to make this game maybe more..They need to make as much money as they can off it..If they don't regulate it,people will pirate it and they won't make anything..Its their software,not ours.Just because we buy it,doesn't mean we actually own it,more like lease it forever..Why does someone need the game on 4 diff computers? Its a single player game..We bought one copy,not 3.In this day and age of technology,they have to protect their product anyway they can.If it pisses you off..then be pissed! Why don't you work on a game for yrs and have it get pirated and make half what you should..Then it would be different wouldn't it? No one should be outraged about anything..Why don't you look past the end of your own nose..!

Lets say i have 1 PC at my house other one at my father house and ofcourse notebook.
I would like also know how it would go with multiple instalation on my $3000 PC as it have multiple OS and is rebooted only ocassionaly to go to another system. Also how i can uninstal game if my system crash and i need reinstall, that online thingy will still think its instaled on OS whitch no longer exist.
I am not going to buy bioshock right now, as i am actualy playing 2 MMO`s, and i will not probably buy it before crysis.
I already stated 2 years ago i am not going buy any game with Starforce ever (and i still didnt, not even install demo with SF) and maybe i will add this game on list.
Oh and it require online install ? My notebook is not going to be conected to internet. In my country there is still quiite more then half ppl without internet conection so they could not play it even when they want. I would say its quite ripoff.

 

[lironmiron]

more like lease it forever..

That is my main problem with this. I don't care how many computers it can be installed on, my problem is that I may not be able to play the game anymore in one single computer either. If the distributor goes out of business, who is going to activate the game? I will not buy the game unless I know that if I want to play it again 10 years from now, I will be able to reinstall it and play it again. I keep a floppy drive in my computer just to be able to replay my King's Quest when I feel like it. Those who have no problem with using a pirated version do not have this problem. It is only legal buyers of the game who risk getting cut off and not being able to play it at all anymore. That doesn't make sense. If the game gets cracked, they'll crack the registration too, if it doesn't, the registration is unnecessary, so what's the point??

 

[itotallybelieveyou]

Nope, I played it as soon as its released without unlocking problems from Direct2Drive. It was hella fun and good looking on my pc. No stability or crash problems. So HA!

 

[spuddyt]

can I ask if there is a program to remove this secureROM thing? I don't fancy having a rootkit on my computer... and isn't this exactly the same as starforce?

 

[blackgold33]

Ok - First off I feel when you buy a game it is yours. If you want to install the game on several machines you should be able to. The point about having to buy the game again if you experience problems with your hardware is valid. I'm ok with the online registration even if it is only a single player game and i'm ok with playing it on one machine at a time. That to me is how you control piracy. I don't agree or even understand why only a 2 machine install limit. This practice only hurts the people who went out and actually spent $50.00 for the game. Not the ones who are going to find a way to pirate the game. Doesn't make any sense to me at all. Just download the game via Steam and you won't have this problem. Just my thoughts.

 

[fender22]

can I ask if there is a program to remove this secureROM thing? I don't fancy having a rootkit on my computer... and isn't this exactly the same as starforce?

Word on the how to remove it part...

 

[Mousemonkey]

This might work for you http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum...om-malware-uninstalling-bioshock-demo#t583959

 

[spuddyt]

thnx, but that doesn't help (I'm running vista)

 

[Mousemonkey]

So far I haven't found anyone who's really played about with Vista but as soon as I do find anything that looks like it will work I'll post it up here.

 

[spuddyt]

thanks a lot and, slightly off topic, OMFGMELONHAX an 8600 actuall runs dx10 with an ok framerate

 

[zzzop]

I vote with my money. I will not be buying Bioshock, no matter how good it is I don't need this virus.

 

[gahleon]

Well for all of you that don't have a problem with the DRM, well I DO. Yeah sure they need to protect their investment, however, that doesn't include putting software on my computer that I have to edit the registry like 100 times to get it off. Thats f**king amazing. I hate to tell you people but that opens liability to civil lawsuits. In fact, it is an intentional tort and if I judge or jury buys it all the elements are there.

Sure you want to put DRM I understand but for god sakes test it first. How could 2K let this game be released without testing the DRM? Are they stupid? There is another post on here that gives sony's directions to get that crap off your computer even after you uninstall the damn game. I cannot believe it. Sony obviously didn't get sued hard enough the first time. I hope someone does it again. 2K just lost a customer, I was going to go pick that crap up today, but I refuse to infest my computer with securom DRM malware.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Let's just hope and pray that the same is not done with Crysis or Timeshift, because that would be a sad state of affairs.

 

[gahleon]

They will, especially if those greedy fools from sony have anything to do with it. Those people think they are above the law. I just can't believe that they hide rootkits and malware in the guise of DRM. Sure I understand the necessity but at least make it truly removable and don't try to do the Bill Gates strategy of letting the customer test it. How pathetic. 2k should be very ashamed.

 

[sojrner]

Online registration and things like steam, I have not had any problems with. (granted, I have not had an internet outage when I want to play a game either...)

The limit on installs sucks.

The implementation of widescreen sucks. (vert- instead of hor+)

Overall, great game marred by poor tacked on crap. I have not bought it yet for those two reasons. The demo ticked me off with the widescreen problem (just looks too zoomed in and "consoley") and reading about the install issue keeps me away until it is fixed. I regularly reformat my system and (even IF this part worked, which it does not) do not want to have to uninstall each game before I do that. I want to just wipe the drive and move on knowing I can reinstall any game I own. I know Ken Levine has made some good statements saying he is on the fix for this... but we shall see. As for now...

bad form irrational (errr, 2k) bad form...