A mostly overlooked asspect about intel not having an arbitrator and AMD having an Arbitrator + an ON-DIE memory controloer is the folowing :
Cahche Snooping, an operation where CPU0 looks in CPU1 cache to snoop for data it needs, is going to be less then half the latncy and twice the bandwidth with the AMD Platfrom. sence the path is going to be all on-die and at much higher speed throughput.
AMD dualcore is going to be much more effective then Intels.
A DP Pentium 4 2.8ghz W/O HT is NOT an attractive offer for 240$. when compered to a 240$ Athlon 64 3800+ (given by then it drops to todays 3500+ price level).
The Athlon 64 gets you between 20 to 35% more preformance at HL2. you can probably applay smaller preformance gains to most other single threaded applications.
I suspect that in most threaded applications the Pentium 4 will do only a litle better then catching up with A64. remeber that todays 2.8ghz prescott alrady enjoy ~10% boost in threaded applications due to its HT. even at good thereaded worksation-type (not server) workloads a dual-xeon setup wont get much better then 30% advantage over a single hyperthreaded Pentium 4. so thats what were looking at here... a slight victory for the Pentium 4 in a small portion of threaded Apps. and thats for a 300+(!) square mm CPU against an 84mm CPU.
not mentioning heat and power consumption.
BUT - AND THATS A BIG ONE much more importently for AMD - people who are not Technology enthusiests will LOVE the idea of getting a dual 2.8GHZ CPU for a that cheap. becouse the obvious reasoning is 2.8X2 is 4.6 and no one puts a up a 4.6 number or even close to it for 240$ (or any amount of money for that matter).
Thats the real problem... and thats what AMD strategy will be focused on - education. AMD, as always puts its faith in the costumer amount of IQ and awarness.
at worst - the best AMD dffensive option is to put up cheap dual-core winchesters at around 160 square mm they are still going to be reasnoble at 240$ and even at low speed bins (1.8 Ghz) they will eat smithfiled for breakfest... only problem is that if this gets too popular AMD might, again, get into a slight manufactoring problems. (Small becouse 95% of the CPUs they sell would still be about 20%-40% smaller then last year).
I hope the english is readable becouse there is no way im spell cheking it..
This post is best viewed with common sense enabled<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by iiB on 01/29/05 11:43 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Cahche Snooping, an operation where CPU0 looks in CPU1 cache to snoop for data it needs, is going to be less then half the latncy and twice the bandwidth with the AMD Platfrom. sence the path is going to be all on-die and at much higher speed throughput.
AMD dualcore is going to be much more effective then Intels.
A DP Pentium 4 2.8ghz W/O HT is NOT an attractive offer for 240$. when compered to a 240$ Athlon 64 3800+ (given by then it drops to todays 3500+ price level).
The Athlon 64 gets you between 20 to 35% more preformance at HL2. you can probably applay smaller preformance gains to most other single threaded applications.
I suspect that in most threaded applications the Pentium 4 will do only a litle better then catching up with A64. remeber that todays 2.8ghz prescott alrady enjoy ~10% boost in threaded applications due to its HT. even at good thereaded worksation-type (not server) workloads a dual-xeon setup wont get much better then 30% advantage over a single hyperthreaded Pentium 4. so thats what were looking at here... a slight victory for the Pentium 4 in a small portion of threaded Apps. and thats for a 300+(!) square mm CPU against an 84mm CPU.
not mentioning heat and power consumption.
BUT - AND THATS A BIG ONE much more importently for AMD - people who are not Technology enthusiests will LOVE the idea of getting a dual 2.8GHZ CPU for a that cheap. becouse the obvious reasoning is 2.8X2 is 4.6 and no one puts a up a 4.6 number or even close to it for 240$ (or any amount of money for that matter).
Thats the real problem... and thats what AMD strategy will be focused on - education. AMD, as always puts its faith in the costumer amount of IQ and awarness.
at worst - the best AMD dffensive option is to put up cheap dual-core winchesters at around 160 square mm they are still going to be reasnoble at 240$ and even at low speed bins (1.8 Ghz) they will eat smithfiled for breakfest... only problem is that if this gets too popular AMD might, again, get into a slight manufactoring problems. (Small becouse 95% of the CPUs they sell would still be about 20%-40% smaller then last year).
I hope the english is readable becouse there is no way im spell cheking it..
This post is best viewed with common sense enabled<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by iiB on 01/29/05 11:43 PM.</EM></FONT></P>