So why in hell does Doom3 have such high performance requi..

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Raymond Martineau wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:53:41 -0700, Aldwyn Edain <ae@invalid.email> wrote:
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>>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:29:43 -0700, "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net>
>>wrote:
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>>>The demons survive outside w/no problems whatsoever.
>>
>>Bah! It's not realistic then.
>
>
> Doom 3 is only a game. It doesn't have to be 100% realistic.
>


I think he was being sarcastic and laughing at Doug.

 

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On 20 Apr 2005 07:48:17 -0700, "Chadwick" <chadwick110@hotmail.com>
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>The stealth meter does NOT show how likely it is you will be spotted.
>it does not show how much noise you are making, how good your cover is,
>how much shadow you are in etc.

I believe it had a useless noise meter too.


>I don't think they marketed Far Cry as a stealth game, so they're not
>trying to kid anyone. If you prefer stealth games, you'll probably
>enjoy Thief (if you haven't already played it).

Yes, played it and liked it much better than FarCry. FarCry was ok but
after reading all the hype I felt it wasn't as good as it was made out
to be. I was glad when it was over.

 

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:01:38 +0200, Werner Spahl
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>Sorry, but I had much more fun with Doom 3 and think it is the better
>game. But then IMHO Vampire Bloodlines beats both and HL2 hands down!

Haven't played Bloodlines but it better be a lot better than
Masquerade.

 

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Hi,

In article <7knc61pj0l7u470ng210pv7ghqorjvi94b@4ax.com>,
Raymond Martineau <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote:
#On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 02:05:05 -0700, Aldwyn Edain <ae@invalid.email> wrote:
#>Show me a game that can do those kinds of calculations and I might buy
#>it.

#Expect delivery in 6-8... decades. We aren't at that tech level.

It's been done in flight combat sims.

It could be done in FPS, but I don't think it offers the visceral
thrills people are looking for. On the other hand, I would have though
that dying and not being able to get right back in would never be
popular, and the CS came along.

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I don't really care what the excuse is the fact remains, duh. Furthermore,
the z-secs DO have animations for crouching they just can't figure out how
to crouch and shoot me simultaneously.

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> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:39:36 -0700, "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net>
> wrote:
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>>What a dumbass. There's no comparison between the AI in Doom3 and Far Cry,
>>because Doom3 doesn't have any. Case in point, in Doom3 I can hide in
>>plain
>>sight under a staircase (or in a crawlspace) and the AI can't find/shoot
>>me,
>
> The AI already found you. The bug involves the fact that there is no
> crouched-movement animations for the enemies.
>

 

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> > On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:39:36 -0700, "Doug"
<pigdos@nospamcharter.net>
> > wrote:
> >>What a dumbass. There's no comparison between the AI in Doom3 and
Far Cry,
> >>because Doom3 doesn't have any. Case in point, in Doom3 I can hide
in
> >>plain
> >>sight under a staircase (or in a crawlspace) and the AI can't
find/shoot
> >>me,

> "Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message
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> > The AI already found you. The bug involves the fact that there is
no
> > crouched-movement animations for the enemies.

Doug wrote:
> I don't really care what the excuse is the fact remains, duh.
Furthermore,
> the z-secs DO have animations for crouching they just can't figure
out how
> to crouch and shoot me simultaneously.

I don't think aymond was giving you an excuse. He was just saying that
that the AI is not at fault. The problem is that the monsters don't
have the coding to make use of their intelligence. In other words,
they've spotted you, but (as you point out) they don't know how to
crouch and shoot.

 

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:54:45 -0700, "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net>
wrote:

>I don't really care what the excuse is the fact remains, duh.

It's not an excuse - it's a more accurrate description of the bug.

>Furthermore,
>the z-secs DO have animations for crouching they just can't figure out how
>to crouch and shoot me simultaneously.

If it's something like the Quake 2 animation, then that's a reactionary
animation rather than a crouch animation. (In this case, the reaction is
to shrink the hit-box rather than dodge.) I never really saw the purpose
of this except to be missed by a few projectiles, unless the weapon has a
fire cone greater than the crouch area (they usually don't.)

Duke3D and UT2003/4, on the other hand, have AI crouching. They might not
be the best implementation (for one reason or another), but the opponents
can crouch to either shoot in a duct or to make themselves slightly harder
to hit (e.g. long-range sniping).

 

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Doug wrote:

> My only real beef with Doom3 is the incredibly BAD AI. When monsters
> repeatedly shoot into walls or ceilings while allowing me to fill them full
> of lead with no response save dying it really ruins the game. Other

What difficulty are you playing on? I never noticed this much.

> contributions to ruining the game are: zombies that never have to reload
> (shotgun zombie, machinegun zombie, pistol zombie, chaingun zombie) and

In my games they don't live long enough to run out of ammo 😉.

> monsters that can't find me in plain sight under a stairwell or in a

This never happened to me as well. Do you play D3 as sneaker?

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There is no sneaking in Doom3. The AI always knows where you are, they just
can't always do anything about it.

I play on whatever difficulty is right under nightmare.

Just tonite, I managed to hide behind a stairwell again. The AI continuously
shot right into the stairway without any attempt to adjust their
fire/position and I just lobbed grenades (which, once again, the AI ignored)
until I got the right trajectory.

Hell, Far Cry and even the ORIGINAL Half Life had better AI than this. It's
just kinda disgusting/disappointing.

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> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Doug wrote:
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>> My only real beef with Doom3 is the incredibly BAD AI. When monsters
>> repeatedly shoot into walls or ceilings while allowing me to fill them
>> full
>> of lead with no response save dying it really ruins the game. Other
>
> What difficulty are you playing on? I never noticed this much.
>
>> contributions to ruining the game are: zombies that never have to reload
>> (shotgun zombie, machinegun zombie, pistol zombie, chaingun zombie) and
>
> In my games they don't live long enough to run out of ammo 😉.
>
>> monsters that can't find me in plain sight under a stairwell or in a
>
> This never happened to me as well. Do you play D3 as sneaker?
>
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