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"Tim Smith" <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
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> It's especially amusing considering that it was EQ2, not WoW, that has had
> the longest outright failure: they were 100% down for an entire weekend.

More than a weekend, the servers were actually down for 72 hours while the
databases were restored and rolled back to a prior save point. Heads rolled
within SOE over that one, that was an inexcusable screwup. I think the
reason that WoW has the bigger image problem here is because this kind of
thing is pretty rare in EQ2 (it's never happened since), but WoW's problems
have been consistent from the beginning and continue today, months after
launch. Most people I think will forgive anomalous outages that occur rarely
(and to SOE's credit, they rewarded players with almost a week of double
experience afterwards, which made everyone forget about the bitching and
moaning the weekend before). But people get tired of ongoing problems and
constant queues and I think that's the reason Blizzard has the PR issue.

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"Bob Perez" <myfirstname@thecomdomaincalledSHADOWPIKE> wrote in message
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> "Tor Iver Wilhelmsen" <tor.iver.wilhelmsen@broadpark.no> wrote in message
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>> "Bob Perez" <myfirstname@thecomdomaincalledSHADOWPIKE> writes:
>>
>>> No, they just have a lot more experience with what it takes to
>>> maintain an MMOG. Blizzard is new at this.
>>
>> They have run multiplayer games before, though, through Battle.net.
>> MMORPGs are just larger than what they have done before.
>
> Totally different experiences. Battle.net required, for the most part,
> being able to link hundreds of thousands of computers together via
> peer-to-peer connections with no more than 8 players at once. The Realms
> were a bit different and did require some persistent server technology,
> but still it was nothing at all like the WoW architecture, which requires
> having to maintain dozens of servers that have to support tens of
> thousands of clients at one time. This is what they're new at and one of
> the reasons, I think, they're having trouble. Every MMOG developer goes
> through this the first time or two through, they'll get better at it.

Yeah, but by the time the Starcraft MMORPG comes out, they'll have it down.
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:53:30 GMT, Tim Smith
<reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrotC😀RIVE_E

>In article <VH1Zd.1550$Jd2.76656@news20.bellglobal.com>, Grackle wrote:
>> Seems to me that Sony has some major WoW resentment, to have to sink to
>> this level.
>
>It's especially amusing considering that it was EQ2, not WoW, that has had
>the longest outright failure: they were 100% down for an entire weekend.

The difference is, that was one incident in almost six months. You got
a lot of whining at the time, but it was quickly forgotten. From what
I can tell, WoW's problems are endemic.
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:51:11 GMT, Jim Vieira wrote:

> "shadows" <shadows@whitefang.com> wrote in message
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>> On 2005-03-13, Grackle <nowhere@lalaland.ca> wrote:
>>> I was browsing Gamespot and there was an advertisement by SoE that went
> like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> Why go
>>> to
>>> W
>>> o
>>> W
>>>======
>>> Why go to a World of Waiting?
>>>======
>>> Explore Everquest II instead
>>>======
>>> Our servers are up for adventure.
>>>======
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems to me that Sony has some major WoW resentment, to have to sink to
> this
>>> level.
>>
>> It's funny because it's true. Nothing wrong with SoE pointing it
>> out.
>
> I think he's refering more to the fact that negative advertising shows
> a lack of class and inability to tout ones own good features/qualities.
>
> Like when a poltician only tells you what's wrong with the other guy
> and doesn't tell you what he would do differently or better.
>
> Like when a store is telling you about how horrible some other store
> is. I see this all the time with local cable company, as all they do is
> rip on DirectTV and not really say what is so much better or special
> about their service. All they do is point out the negatives of satellite
> TV and make parody commercials to rip on them.
>
> There is another local company here that has ads where they rip
> apart all their competitors non stop and never say *anything*
> good about their own service. They come off as arrogant,
> condescending, and desperate.
>
> It's usually looked upon as them not having anything good to say
> about themselves and so they just go negative on the competition.
>
> I'm not saying SoE shouldn't be doing this. They can do what they
> want.. But I see it in a negative light.

I think it's a smart business move by Sony. Having read here on this
newsgroup about all the server problems WoW has been having (and the fact
that no appreciable progress seems to have been made in fixing things for
several months), I have decided to skip buying WoW (which I was planning to
buy) and go with EQ2 instead. If Sony's ads save others from buying what
seems to be a broken game (WoW), then they're doing people a service. And
if Sony's ads light a fire under Blizzard's asses to fix WoW, then everyone
who plays WoW is better off too.

 

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"Dr. Pepper" <nobody@nowhere789gfa8.net> once tried to test me with:

> if Sony's ads light a fire under Blizzard's asses to fix WoW, then
> everyone who plays WoW is better off too.
>

On this much, we can agree.

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:56:23 -0500, "Dr. Pepper"
<nobody@nowhere789gfa8.net> wrote:

..
>
>I think it's a smart business move by Sony. Having read here on this
>newsgroup about all the server problems WoW has been having (and the fact
>that no appreciable progress seems to have been made in fixing things for
>several months), I have decided to skip buying WoW (which I was planning to
>buy) and go with EQ2 instead. If Sony's ads save others from buying what
>seems to be a broken game (WoW), then they're doing people a service. And
>if Sony's ads light a fire under Blizzard's asses to fix WoW, then everyone
>who plays WoW is better off too.

The group needs to do something since they lost the Immersion case and
have been ordered to stop sales of the PS2 in the US. I dunno if the
order is suspended pending the appeal though.

Lynley

 

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Lynley James wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:56:23 -0500, "Dr. Pepper"
> <nobody@nowhere789gfa8.net> wrote:
>
> .
>
>>I think it's a smart business move by Sony. Having read here on this
>>newsgroup about all the server problems WoW has been having (and the fact
>>that no appreciable progress seems to have been made in fixing things for
>>several months), I have decided to skip buying WoW (which I was planning to
>>buy) and go with EQ2 instead. If Sony's ads save others from buying what
>>seems to be a broken game (WoW), then they're doing people a service. And
>>if Sony's ads light a fire under Blizzard's asses to fix WoW, then everyone
>>who plays WoW is better off too.
>
>
> The group needs to do something since they lost the Immersion case and
> have been ordered to stop sales of the PS2 in the US. I dunno if the
> order is suspended pending the appeal though.

Huh!!! Really!!?? Wow, I hadn't heard they couldn't sell the PS2 in
the US anymore. What happened there???

 

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Lynley James <lynley.james@gmail.com> wrote in
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> The group needs to do something since they lost the Immersion case and
> have been ordered to stop sales of the PS2 in the US. I dunno if the
> order is suspended pending the appeal though.

Yup. Because they are appealling, the order to stop selling the PS2 is not
enforced.

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On 2005-03-29, Marcel Beaudoin <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> Lynley James <lynley.james@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:6u5j41d5mcbs1m28pnnn8gpi06vdpihgkr@4ax.com:
>
>> The group needs to do something since they lost the Immersion case and
>> have been ordered to stop sales of the PS2 in the US. I dunno if the
>> order is suspended pending the appeal though.
>
> Yup. Because they are appealling, the order to stop selling the PS2 is not
> enforced.

Essentially the courts just did a: "Do you wish to continue Y/n?"

 

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James Garvin wrote:
> Lynley James wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:56:23 -0500, "Dr. Pepper"
>> <nobody@nowhere789gfa8.net> wrote:
>>
>> .
>>
>>> I think it's a smart business move by Sony. Having read here on this
>>> newsgroup about all the server problems WoW has been having (and the
>>> fact
>>> that no appreciable progress seems to have been made in fixing things
>>> for
>>> several months), I have decided to skip buying WoW (which I was
>>> planning to
>>> buy) and go with EQ2 instead. If Sony's ads save others from buying
>>> what
>>> seems to be a broken game (WoW), then they're doing people a
>>> service. And
>>> if Sony's ads light a fire under Blizzard's asses to fix WoW, then
>>> everyone
>>> who plays WoW is better off too.
>>
>>
>>
>> The group needs to do something since they lost the Immersion case and
>> have been ordered to stop sales of the PS2 in the US. I dunno if the
>> order is suspended pending the appeal though.
>
>
> Huh!!! Really!!?? Wow, I hadn't heard they couldn't sell the PS2 in
> the US anymore. What happened there???


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050327-4739.html

 

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James Garvin <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Lynley James wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:56:23 -0500, "Dr. Pepper"
>> <nobody@nowhere789gfa8.net> wrote:
>>
>> .
>>
>>>I think it's a smart business move by Sony. Having read here on this
>>>newsgroup about all the server problems WoW has been having (and the
>>>fact that no appreciable progress seems to have been made in fixing
>>>things for several months), I have decided to skip buying WoW (which
>>>I was planning to buy) and go with EQ2 instead. If Sony's ads save
>>>others from buying what seems to be a broken game (WoW), then they're
>>>doing people a service. And if Sony's ads light a fire under
>>>Blizzard's asses to fix WoW, then everyone who plays WoW is better
>>>off too.
>>
>>
>> The group needs to do something since they lost the Immersion case
>> and have been ordered to stop sales of the PS2 in the US. I dunno if
>> the order is suspended pending the appeal though.
>
> Huh!!! Really!!?? Wow, I hadn't heard they couldn't sell the PS2 in
> the US anymore. What happened there???

They haven't stopped selling PS2's. The court's order was for them to pay
$90ish million to Immersion, and halt sales of PS2, PS1, and a bunch of
games that use Immersion's technology. The order was immediately stayed
pending appeal by Sony.

A bunch of irresponsible, sensation-seeking press decided it would be
"cool" to post that PS2 sales were halted in the US, even though they
HAVE NEVER STOPPED SELLING THEM. Basically, they tried to sell papers or
web ads or whatever by misleading the readers. And if you look way down
in the article, under the big headline that says "Sony Ordered to Halt
PS2 Sales" you'll see the bit about it being stayed pending appeal. If
they were even THAT honest. About par for the course. It seems that
journalistic integrity is now an oxymoron.

The thing is, even if Sony loses the appeal, they're never going to halt
sales of PS2's (or PS3's or whatever else they're selling at the time).
They will pay a huge chunk of change to Immersion if they lose, and
they'll then start paying something to Immersion in the form of a license
to use their technology (or they'll have built their own somehow), but
they aren't going to quit sellng PS2's. Anyone that thinks this is flat
out stupid.

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:04:42 -0700, James Garvin
<jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote:

>Lynley James wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:56:23 -0500, "Dr. Pepper"
>> <nobody@nowhere789gfa8.net> wrote:
>>
>> .
>>
>>>I think it's a smart business move by Sony. Having read here on this
>>>newsgroup about all the server problems WoW has been having (and the fact
>>>that no appreciable progress seems to have been made in fixing things for
>>>several months), I have decided to skip buying WoW (which I was planning to
>>>buy) and go with EQ2 instead. If Sony's ads save others from buying what
>>>seems to be a broken game (WoW), then they're doing people a service. And
>>>if Sony's ads light a fire under Blizzard's asses to fix WoW, then everyone
>>>who plays WoW is better off too.
>>
>>
>> The group needs to do something since they lost the Immersion case and
>> have been ordered to stop sales of the PS2 in the US. I dunno if the
>> order is suspended pending the appeal though.
>
>Huh!!! Really!!?? Wow, I hadn't heard they couldn't sell the PS2 in
>the US anymore. What happened there???

Immersion claimed that Sony infringed on their patent for rumble pads
back in 2002 or 2001. Judgement was handed down yesterday or the day
before, not sure which court as the US court hierarchy gives me
headaches but I think it is a California one, and the judge found for
Immersion. He ordered Sony to stop all sales of the PS2 and fined
them something like $90m. Of course Sony are appealing as, surprise,
they do not believe that they infringed on anyone's patent rights.

Not sure how the appeal affects the order.

Lynley