Solid gaming build

[Tyler Signus]

I am building a new desktop, i have $500 to work with. I have gotten a build from my research but am looking for advice hopefully from more experienced people. Is this a good build for the money and if not what parts should i get instead and why. Also is this build compatible.
Trying to build good gaming build.
Overclocking: no


CPU AMD FX-6300
MOBO ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3
GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti
RAM Crucial Ballistix Sport 4GB
HDD Seagate Barracuda 250 GB
CASE Rosewill Dual Fans
PSU Antec VP-450

 

[g-unit1111]

Here is the specification for the mb
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/M5A78LMUSB3/specifications/
It has 6 SATA 300 ports and ZERO SATA 600 ports .
You can in fact run an SSD on that board , but its never going to run at more than 300 Mbits/s because the SATA ports will cap the speed . So , no point in upgrading to a high performance SSD . Ever .

OK so it is true that you can't use SATA 6 drives on 760G or 78L, but here's an Asrock 970 mATX board that can: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157582

As for the intel vz AMD argument . The intel might win in old games that cant multithread [ though this is usually just theoretical since the AMD can usually max out the monitors refresh rate anyway ] . In DX11/12 games that use all available threads the FX 6300 is a far better choice ..

OK so you tell me to fact check, which I did and came back wrong, and you say that the FX 6300 is better in games that use all available threads. In fact the FX 6300 has no hyper threading support.

 

[bsod1]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

 

[bsod1]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($108.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($192.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $523.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-25 00:48 EDT-0400

 

[CTurbo]

bsod1, that build is much worse than your two builds from earlier in this thread.

 

[bsod1]

I came across this somewhere else, actually. What's wrong with it though? A GTX 960 + i3-4160 with okay parts.

 

[pomps74]

get an r9 380 4gb for a bit more which is better than the 960 and has more vram

 

[CTurbo]

Your above builds had a much better psu and RAM. I thought you earlier i3 build had a B85 mobo but I see it's a H81 so I was wrong about that. It's not a terrible build, but my i3 build above would have the same performance, but with higher quality parts from top to bottom while costing a little less.

Take your last build, switch the H81 to B85 or H97, get a better psu like the XFX you listed above or the Rosewill from mine, switch the WAY overpriced GTX960 out with a R9 280 or R9 280x and you'd have a great build.

 

[CTurbo]

Boom. More performance, higher quality, and not any more expensive.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($108.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-GAMING 3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $516.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-25 01:25 EDT-0400



The R9 280x is better than the GTX960 btw

 

[jimmysmitty]

There is broadwell. That is a future processor. But in games like GTA V heres what you would see. Read what they said about AMD CPUs vs. i3 at the end: http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page7.html

You do understand that monitors refresh at 60 Hz , right?
And that 60 Hz is the same thing as 60 fps ?

In the link to GTA you provided the intel i3 makes 68 fps
and the FX 6350 makes 69 fps
These are essentially the processor options for the OP right now [ the FX 6350 is a very mild OC of an FX 6300 ]
In either case the person using the PC will be seeing 60 fps on their screen so in that regard its even

But single player and multiplayer are very different . There is a lot more load in online play . The i3 doesnt have the reserves of power .

Oh and BTW that "future processor" is about 6 weeks away , and there will be no future socket 1150 processors .
Socket 1150 is dead

You are talking about a 1FPS difference. And the best FX CPU is still on par with (at stock clocks) a very old i5, again a 1FPS difference which can be considered within the margin of error.

That said, you can upgrade that i3 to an i7 and it will still game decently for 2-3 years. The FX however will not game as well, it just has way to low IPC.

The most important part in a gaming build is the GPU

I would also stray from hidden insults to a mod. Most mods have been here for a long time and are typically picked because they have more knowledge on subjects than the average forum readers.

 

[logainofhades]

Boom. More performance, higher quality, and not any more expensive.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($108.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-GAMING 3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $516.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-25 01:25 EDT-0400



The R9 280x is better than the GTX960 btw

And very rebate heavy.

 

[pomps74]

There is broadwell. That is a future processor. But in games like GTA V heres what you would see. Read what they said about AMD CPUs vs. i3 at the end: http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page7.html

You do understand that monitors refresh at 60 Hz , right?
And that 60 Hz is the same thing as 60 fps ?

In the link to GTA you provided the intel i3 makes 68 fps
and the FX 6350 makes 69 fps
These are essentially the processor options for the OP right now [ the FX 6350 is a very mild OC of an FX 6300 ]
In either case the person using the PC will be seeing 60 fps on their screen so in that regard its even

But single player and multiplayer are very different . There is a lot more load in online play . The i3 doesnt have the reserves of power .

Oh and BTW that "future processor" is about 6 weeks away , and there will be no future socket 1150 processors .
Socket 1150 is dead

You are talking about a 1FPS difference. And the best FX CPU is still on par with (at stock clocks) a very old i5, again a 1FPS difference which can be considered within the margin of error.

That said, you can upgrade that i3 to an i7 and it will still game decently for 2-3 years. The FX however will not game as well, it just has way to low IPC.

The most important part in a gaming build is the GPU

I would also stray from hidden insults to a mod. Most mods have been here for a long time and are typically picked because they have more knowledge on subjects than the average forum readers.

Its fine we were just talking. I liked that debate, he didn't offend me in any way.

 

[logainofhades]

LGA 1150 is not dead, you can upgrade to an i5 or and i7 or Broadwell. You can not upgrade to anything better on the FX. a 4790k will beat the 9590 no matter what.

For all intents and purposes, it is actually a dead platform, but with better available upgrades. Even the Xeon 1231v3 would outperform an FX 9590. The FX 9590 is a joke. I remember seeing something, not all that long ago, where it got stomped by an Athlon 860k. :lol:

 

[Outlander_04]

There is broadwell. That is a future processor. But in games like GTA V heres what you would see. Read what they said about AMD CPUs vs. i3 at the end: http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page7.html

You do understand that monitors refresh at 60 Hz , right?
And that 60 Hz is the same thing as 60 fps ?

In the link to GTA you provided the intel i3 makes 68 fps
and the FX 6350 makes 69 fps
These are essentially the processor options for the OP right now [ the FX 6350 is a very mild OC of an FX 6300 ]
In either case the person using the PC will be seeing 60 fps on their screen so in that regard its even

But single player and multiplayer are very different . There is a lot more load in online play . The i3 doesnt have the reserves of power .

Oh and BTW that "future processor" is about 6 weeks away , and there will be no future socket 1150 processors .
Socket 1150 is dead

You are talking about a 1FPS difference. And the best FX CPU is still on par with (at stock clocks) a very old i5, again a 1FPS difference which can be considered within the margin of error.

That said, you can upgrade that i3 to an i7 and it will still game decently for 2-3 years. The FX however will not game as well, it just has way to low IPC.

The most important part in a gaming build is the GPU

I would also stray from hidden insults to a mod. Most mods have been here for a long time and are typically picked because they have more knowledge on subjects than the average forum readers.

I refused the offer of being a moderator some time ago . Not a thing Im interested in doing or being .
What I am interested in is spreading the knowledge I have and giving an honest appraisal of my experiences with hardware .
Too many reviews online are the result of a level of marketing spend . Its a sad thing but totally true that websites depend on advertising income from the people who supply products for review . There is a often a natural tendency for bias towards the supplier with a bigger advertising budget .

But when you examine the capability of hardware you often see an alternate picture .
The monitor refresh rate I have already mentioned is but one example .
A computer making 100 fps is NOT better than one making 60 fps . The best case scenario is that the user experience is identical . The worst case is that the one making high fps is screen tearing so badly you have to tun on vSynch .
Sometimes more is not better . Often its just more and occasionally its worse .
Using pomps GTA benchmarks as an example anything from an i3 to the top end processor makes NO difference to user experience [ in single player with a 60 Hz monitor]
Online it will be different , but the benchmark , in itself , is not telling you very much at all until you understand how digital technology works

That hardly ever suits the manufacturers whose profits rely on people buying top end product

And for those on a budget building a gamer it means buying a top end cpu gives a very poor performance reward , and in some cases harms performance .

 

[Jonathon Mirza]

there is a lot of 8 dell optiplex servers on ebay for £300 all in working order, and if you can save another £300 you will have £500 with the unused £200 from the first £500 and you can get two very decent graphics cards and link them in crossfire.

Everything else you need will be in those 8 computers, unless you want lights, liquid cooling and fan controllers ?? that could be about £400 just for the liquid cooling, depending on the case you have and how you rigg the case lights you might spend £25 on lights you might spend £170 on lights, and the depending on the fan controller you get and how many fans you got you could get one for £17 or £228 but that one is a music sensing light show with lasers and really not what you need.

As far as the components I would not be surprised if the mother boards from those 8 computers were all duel socket, as for the processor probably a pentium 4 or some crap like that.
Me personally ?
I would set them all up in a Beowulf Cluster and then run my gaming on them, but even that might only be equivalent to an I5

However for sheer power look at the AMD FX Eight Core Mobo at 4.2Ghz problem is that single motherboard and processor bundle cost £329 and that is the kind of price range for components for a gaming computer you want to be looking at.

In other words you will not get yourself a gaming computer at £500