Sonja Blue deck...

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I made a more basic version of this and it worked okay. I changed it
around some. The "trick" is to Banishment/Peace of Khemeton on Sonja
Blue (as appropriate) to gain pool.

Enjoy! Comments are welcome.

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Deck Name: Sonja Blue, I Hate You!
Created By: Me
Description: Fun with Sonja...

Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 20, Max: 28, Avg: 5.91)
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1 Shawnda Dorrit obt pot pre CEL 6 Brujah
Antitribu
1 Antoinette cel obf AUS PRE 6 Toreador
1 Venere Carboni ani AUS CEL PRE 8 Toreador
Antitribu
1 Lucina cel pro AUS PRE 7 Toreador
5 Sonja Blue dom pot CEL FOR PRE 5 Ventrue
1 Ira Rivers ani pre AUS CEL 7 Toreador
2 Mustafa cel dom FOR PRE 6 Ventrue

Library: (90 cards)
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Master (18 cards)
9 Diamond Thunderbolt, The
1 KRCG News Radio
4 Blood Doll
1 Anarch Free Press, The
1 Anarch Railroad
1 Creepshow Casino
1 Uptown Hunting Ground

Action (5 cards)
3 Heart of the City
1 Pulse of the Canaille
1 Revelations

Action Modifier (22 cards)
4 Voter Captivation
4 Bewitching Oration
1 Bribes
6 Daring the Dawn
3 Aire of Elation
3 Alacrity
1 Awe

Political Action (7 cards)
5 Banishment
2 Peace of Khetamon, The

Reaction (9 cards)
4 Telepathic Misdirection
4 Wake with Evening`s Freshness
1 Enhanced Senses

Combat (20 cards)
4 Concealed Weapon
4 Flash
2 Psyche!
3 Pursuit
3 Sideslip
2 Side Strike
1 Blur
1 Majesty

Ally (3 cards)
1 Political Ally
1 Ossian
1 Procurer

Equipment (4 cards)
2 Stake
2 .44 Magnum

Event (2 cards)
1 Restricted Vitae
1 Unmasking, The
 
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Uncontrolled region is part of play (I checked)
 
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Oh, and of course, the way to win votes is to remove titles with her. :)
 
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this as well:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/a12cfb1eeecfcbbe[

the relevant reply from LSJ:
> What *exactly* constitutes the term "in play"?
In some player's controlled area (and not contested).
 
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demon@hell.is wrote:
> sorry for the repeat, apparently I am referring to the same thread.


Sure. Here are a couple of emails I had with LSJ.

From: LSJ [vtesrep@white-wolf.com]
To: Hulse, Adam
Subject: RE: banishment deck

At 02:37 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote:
>Noted.
>
>I manage to keep Sonja for one turn. (Diamond thunderbolt.)
>I do an action with Sonja. (she has enough disciplines)
>I banish her with another vampire of mine.
>Influnce phase, I bring her back out for nothing or close to nothing.
(she
>still has her counters on her)
>I gain 4 pool.
>Rinse wash repeat.

OK.


>Note that Sonja has fortitude. I could do similar version with Daring
the
>Dawn actions (thus go to torpor) and Peace of Khematon. :)
>
>Its pretty neat because it only takes a 2 card combo (thunderbolt and
>banish) for the first way. And a 3 card combo for the second way
>(thunderbolt, Peace, and Daring).
>
>The only trouble is the vote. Well there is PRE for vote.
>
>Haven't made the deck yet.. But thinking that I have a lot of diamond
>thunderbolts that I don't use. :)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LSJ [mailto:vtesrep@white-wolf.com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:27 PM
>To: Hulse, Adam
>Subject: RE: banishment deck
>
>
>At 02:20 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote:
> >Excellent. I'm sensing a Sonja Blue/Banishment/Diamond Thunderbolt
deck. :)
>
>Note that Banishment will not return her to you, since the change of
>control is not a temporary one.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: LSJ [mailto:vtesrep@white-wolf.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:20 PM
> >To: Hulse, Adam
> >Subject: Re: banishment deck
> >
> >
> >At 02:08 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote:
> > >If I tap my vampire, then banish him. When I influence the vampire
back
> > >in, is he tapped or untapped? (i.e. Can uncontrolled vampires be
> "tapped")?
> >
> >Untapped. Uncontrolled vampires are neither tapped nor untapped.
When you
> >influence a vampire out, he starts untapped.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
> >V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
> >Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
>
>--
>LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
>V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
>Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

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Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
 
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Hmmm... LSJ! You tricked me. I wasted a lot of time on that deck!
 
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"Oh dear oh dear. LSJ may wear many hats but I'm pretty much 100% sure
that
he is not in the business of handing out false rulings and such. Maybe
you
misread or misunderstood a rule? "

Well, according to LSJ above, it was not MY misunderstanding this time.

Moral victory I guess... :-(

Still was a neat idea...
 
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 adam.hulse@ngc.com wrote:

> I made a more basic version of this and it worked okay. I changed it
> around some. The "trick" is to Banishment/Peace of Khemeton on Sonja
> Blue (as appropriate) to gain pool.

That doesn't work. If Sonja leaves play, remove her from the game. The
Diamond Thunderbolt tech is prety funny though. I had thought of that as
a way to keep Sonja around. I mean, she's not a bad vampire for 1 pool,
just to play with. I'd include a couple Rumors of Gehenna or Parthenons
so you can protect Sonja (CRACK-BOOM!) and still play regular masters.

Matt Morgan
 
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 adam.hulse@ngc.com wrote:

> Hmmm... LSJ! You tricked me. I wasted a lot of time on that deck!

Change all those Banishments for KRCs and you still may have a good deck.
You pay 1 pool for a minion who can remove titles! You get the added
bonus of being immune to stuff like Form of Corruption, Temptation of
Greater Power, Graverobbing and other annoying effects. You can block
vampires who Dare the Dawn.

It's just a matter of changing your plan from "I'll gain 4 pool per turn"
to "I'll do 3 pool to my prey per turn." It's not a bad strategy.

Matt Morgan
 
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"Matthew T. Morgan" <farquar@io.com> wrote in message news:20050308111636.J32111@fnord.io.com...
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 adam.hulse@ngc.com wrote:
>
> > Uncontrolled region is part of play (I checked)
>
> You sure about that? Could you cite some reference? This seems to
> indicate otherwise:
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/94ea4bb4912d8e71?dmode=source


Uncontrolled is not in play.
Sonja will be removed from the game if she is Banished.

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<adam.hulse@ngc.com> wrote in message news:1110305446.614220.91770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hmmm... LSJ! You tricked me. I wasted a lot of time on that deck!


Sorry about that.
I was focusing on the loss-of-change-of-control angle (Thunderbolt) and overlooked
the problems she faced when leaving play.

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<adam.hulse@ngc.com wrote

> Hmmm... LSJ! You tricked me. I wasted a lot of time on that deck!

Oh dear oh dear. LSJ may wear many hats but I'm pretty much 100% sure that
he is not in the business of handing out false rulings and such. Maybe you
misread or misunderstood a rule?

Rob
 
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:50:47 -0600, Matthew T. Morgan <farquar@io.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 adam.hulse@ngc.com wrote:
>
>> Hmmm... LSJ! You tricked me. I wasted a lot of time on that deck!
>
> Change all those Banishments for KRCs and you still may have a good
> deck. You pay 1 pool for a minion who can remove titles! You get the
> added bonus of being immune to stuff like Form of Corruption, Temptation
> of Greater Power, Graverobbing and other annoying effects. You can
> block vampires who Dare the Dawn.

You could probably recycle her with things like Social Ladder, or the Soul
Gem. Hmm. There must be an über-combo for Soul Gem... Turbo Sonja, anyone?

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On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:17:43 -0600, Matthew T. Morgan <farquar@io.com>
wrote:

> Turbo-Sonja (in the style of Turbo-Arika) would be pretty difficult.
> You'd only want to Diamond Thunderbolt once, in theory, because you're
> hoping to sweep the table during your next minion phase. Also, if you
> Soul Gem up a new Sonja, you won't get the 4 pool because you only get
> that when you move her to your ready region during your influence phase.
> If only there were a way to rescue vampires from torpor during your
> influence phase.
>
> It's possible that removing Sonja from the game might interact strangely
> with the Soul Gem, but it seems to me like it would work normally. I
> can't see why it wouldn't.

Forget it, I didn't think it over. Soul Gem seems like a really bad idea
at second glance. Maybe I'll have a third sometime...

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On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:17:43 -0600, "Matthew T. Morgan"
<farquar@io.com> scrawled:


>It's possible that removing Sonja from the game might interact strangely
>with the Soul Gem, but it seems to me like it would work normally. I
>can't see why it wouldn't.

Golgonda was changed from 'burn' to 'removed from the game' primarily
because of soul gem abuse, iirc.

But if you burn sonja first (with excess daring/force of will agg
damage, or whatever) it'd trigger soul gem, and then she'd leave the
game. i guess.

salem
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm
(replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)
 
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