News Spanish retailer lists RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT GPUs, though the prices might be mere placeholders — RX 9070 for $912 and RX 9070 XT for $1,097

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Is the PSU recommendation from AMD or the partners? If so, usually, 850W PSUs are recommended for cards with ~300W TBP, no? Like, the "brain dead PSU you need" type of non-recommendations I mean.

If so, that seems high for the power target of a monolithic chip that wants to target the mid-range. Interesting at least.

Oh welp, I guess we need to keep waiting for more information from AMD.

Regards.
 
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Gigabyte Aorus Radeon RX 9070 XT Elite priced at €1,119.99 (~$1,148.53), a Gigabyte Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming OC listed for €1,069.99(~$1,097.26), and a Gigabyte Radeon RX 9070 Gaming OC GPU with a €889.99 (~$912.67) price tag.
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You just did a straight € -> $ conversion? What about VAT? If Spain has a 21% VAT, that means the US prices would be:
  • $949.20
  • $906.83
  • $754.27

The article even acknowledges this, so why didn't you correct for it? Just divide the uncorrected prices by 1.21 to factor out VAT. If your math is rusty, quick web search could've told you that.

The other thing to consider is this retailer's history of pre-release pricing. Did you try to look into that, to gauge how credible these numbers are?
 
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Is the PSU recommendation from AMD or the partners? If so, usually, 850W PSUs are recommended for cards with ~300W TBP, no? Like, the "brain dead PSU you need" type of non-recommendations I mean.

If so, that seems high for the power target of a monolithic chip that wants to target the mid-range. Interesting at least.

Oh welp, I guess we need to keep waiting for more information from AMD.

Regards.
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jkhoward said:
850W?! What! 3 8 pin connectors??? DOA
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Videocardz found a 9070XT listing on a Philippine retailer saying 2x8-pin, 600W PSU recommended, and with a price that works out to about us$600 at current conversion rates inclusive of local VAT. (I believe that's 12%, which would put it at about $530 pre-tax.)

It's unclear what's placeholder and what's a leak at this point.

I do remember hearing rumor that with no high-end die, AMD may let their partners go WILD with the factory OC versions on this one? The reference version would be something like a 265W TBP, give or take, but partners would be allowed to do 300W+ if they wanted to take on the binning and PCB design for it. Extremely unconfirmed, but it's possible there could different cable and PSU wattage requirements depending on the version?
 
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The 3 eight pin is good in my view, high power draw high performance. 5070 at $550 means Rx 9070 $500.. prolly that's the GPU with 7900XT render capabilities. With 16GB its a good deal, but if they launch the XT with 4080 performance at this price it's going to be AMD rebirth from ashes
 
bit_user said:
You just did a straight € -> $ conversion? What about VAT? If Spain has a 21% VAT, that means the US prices would be:
  • $949.20
  • $906.83
  • $754.27

The article even acknowledges this, so why didn't you correct for it? Just divide the uncorrected prices by 1.21 to factor out VAT. If your math is rusty, quick web search could've told you that.

The other thing to consider is this retailer's history of pre-release pricing. Did you try to look into that, to gauge how credible these numbers are?
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But if these prices are real... AMD (GPU) never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity is sooo real
 
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bit_user said:
You just did a straight € -> $ conversion? What about VAT? If Spain has a 21% VAT, that means the US prices would be:
  • $949.20
  • $906.83
  • $754.27

The article even acknowledges this, so why didn't you correct for it? Just divide the uncorrected prices by 1.21 to factor out VAT. If your math is rusty, quick web search could've told you that.

The other thing to consider is this retailer's history of pre-release pricing. Did you try to look into that, to gauge how credible these numbers are?
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The news section here is probably one of the worst of the major sites. No journalistic integrity at all. The readership here have to fact check their posts on the regular and the site almost never goes back and corrects just flatly false information they post. It's like they saw what happened to Anand and decided the facts don't matter any more. It's all about driving clicks so they aren't next. Their current top story on the front page stream about 9800X3D sales is just an embarrassment of inaccurate information.
 
redgarl said:
Frank Azor said those are not 1000$ GPUs.

When Toms is not even able to follow the news, you know their staff are incompetent...
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Are you incompetent? Who listed the pricing, Tom’s Hardware? They just reported it. They’re NOT $1,000 GPU’s. They’re not even $549 GPU’s! Nvidia took a baseball bat to the knees of AMD here!
 
Warrior24_7 said:
Are you incompetent? Who listed the pricing, Tom’s Hardware? They just reported it.
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They didn't report it well, due to not correcting for VAT.

Also, there was conflicting information almost concurrent with that, which they have yet to pick up on.

Warrior24_7 said:
VS RX 9070
“You’ll get better performance out of the card. How much better, I’m not going to tell you.”- Frank Azor
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They explained the reason they didn't cram it into the CES keynote, which is that they wouldn't have had enough time to present it how they wanted. So, we'll just have to sit and wait for their launch event. Given that the cards won't be available for at least 2 more weeks, that doesn't seem so awful.
 
bit_user said:
They didn't report it well, due to not correcting for VAT.

Also, there was conflicting information almost concurrent with that, which they have yet to pick up on.
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They explained the reason they didn't cram it into the CES keynote, which is that they wouldn't have had enough time to present it how they wanted. So, we'll just have to sit and wait for their launch event. Given that the cards won't be available for at least 2 more weeks, that doesn't seem so awful.
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C’mon… he’s not going to tell you? Why not? Because he doesn’t know that’s why. They’re behind the scenes trying to tweak this thing to death. Nvidia kicked them in the balls.

AMD is in the shower right now trying to wash off the stink that is the RX 9070. They left it out of the keynote because they knew it wouldn’t measure up and didn’t want the scrutiny. The early leaks weren’t promising. So they’re hoping to somehow overclock the crap out of it and price this thing to be competitive.

As far as “blaming” Tom’s Hardware for reporting the pricing is shooting the messenger. Adjusting for VAT makes the card MORE expensive, and less competitive! That’s like adding us taxes on the price and you NEVER see that when talking about US pricing. So why the double standard?
 
Warrior24_7 said:
AMD is in the shower right now trying to wash off the stink that is the RX 9070. They left it out of the keynote because they knew it wouldn’t measure up and didn’t want the scrutiny. The early leaks weren’t promising. So they’re hoping to somehow overclock the crap out of it and price this thing to be competitive.
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It never was intended to be their flagship GPU. That got cancelled. It's a mid-range GPU, so it should be priced and perform like one.

Why not just wait until we have some solid information about it, before being so combative? Unless you feel somehow threatened by it, I don't see what you've got to lose by waiting.

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Adjusting for VAT makes the card MORE expensive, and less competitive!
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No, you've got it backwards. They converted prices to $USD without subtracting off the 21% VAT. That made it artificially more expensive, as you can see from my first post.

Warrior24_7 said:
That’s like adding us taxes on the price and you NEVER see that when talking about US pricing. So why the double standard?
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I want them to report the prices without taxes, just like you're saying. In countries with a national VAT, prices are listed after it has been applied. So, the author should've deducted it, when converting to US prices.

What makes it even more absurd is that he even acknowledged this, in the article, yet he still couldn't be bothered to find out how to do it.
 
bit_user said:
It never was intended to be their flagship GPU. That got cancelled. It's a mid-range GPU, so it should be priced and perform like one.

Why not just wait until we have some solid information about it, before being so combative? Unless you feel somehow threatened by it, I don't see what you've got to lose by waiting.


No, you've got it backwards. They converted prices to $USD without subtracting off the 21% VAT. That made it artificially more expensive, as you can see from my first post.


I want them to report the prices without taxes, just like you're saying. In countries with a national VAT, prices are listed after it has been applied. So, the author should've deducted it, when converting to US prices.

What makes it even more absurd is that he even acknowledged this, in the article, yet he still couldn't be bothered to find out how to do it.
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The only thing combative is the visceral attack on Tom’s Hardware and anybody else shocked about what’s being reported. Whining about adding or subtracting VAT is irrelevant and a way to divert attention away from what’s essentially a $750-$900 card, period! That’s NOT competitive when you can get better cards in the RTX 5070/5070Ti the RTX 4080S/4090 at the same price or cheaper! The 4090’s prices just tanked and are going for a little over $700! AMD doesn’t have ANYTHING touching a 4090.

So the only people feeling “threatened” about anything is AMD! You don’t willingly hold back product information if you have a winning product. So at what price point does the RX 9070 fit in and win? I don’t see one. I do expect when the comparisons are being made, there will be RAMPANT cherry picking of benchmarks in certain games to make the RX 9070 look better. Even turning off DLSS, “then” making the comparisons. There is no point in waiting on AMD, and scalpers for what? A midrange card that’s not worth more than $549? I already have my Emil notification in, and credit card ready on a 5090! But I’m seriously looking at that 5070 too.
 
Warrior24_7 said:
Ok, no problem!

RTX 5070

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/geforce-rtx-5070-vs-4090

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RX 9070
“You’ll get better performance out of the card. How much better, I’m not going to tell you.”- Frank Azor
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"If a game doesn’t support multi frame gen, then the RTX 4090 will be significantly faster than the RTX 5070, as the underlying GPU has so much more raw horsepower. It also has twice as much VRAM available, with the RTX 5070’s meager 12GB locking it out of some of the high settings you can enable on the RTX 4090 at 4K, even if you enable frame gen."

Mhmh...

BTW, I can enable AFMF 2.0 and get almost 2x the "reported" frames too. This is a meaningless argument.

And my 7900 XTX is pretty competitive with the 4090 if you ignore RT - which you should - because who in their right mind is paying 1.5-2k for a card just so they can enable a feature that tanks performance by half for a visual difference that most would fail to identify in a blind test? I'll take a 100w lower power consumption, a 60% increase in FPS or a 50% cheaper card over the ability to use RT any day.

Also your tone is pretty toxic, as others pointed out.

That said, I AM excited about the 5xxx series far more than AMD's offerings this gen. I'm just not crawling through broken glass for the privilege of simping for Jensen like half the sheep on the internet are ATM. I will wait for detailed published results from the usual outlets.
 
luissantos said:
"If a game doesn’t support multi frame gen, then the RTX 4090 will be significantly faster than the RTX 5070, as the underlying GPU has so much more raw horsepower. It also has twice as much VRAM available, with the RTX 5070’s meager 12GB locking it out of some of the high settings you can enable on the RTX 4090 at 4K, even if you enable frame gen."

Mhmh...

BTW, I can enable AFMF 2.0 and get almost 2x the "reported" frames too. This is a meaningless argument.

And my 7900 XTX is pretty competitive with the 4090 if you ignore RT - which you should - because who in their right mind is paying 1.5-2k for a card just so they can enable a feature that tanks performance by half for a visual difference that most would fail to identify in a blind test? I'll take a 100w lower power consumption, a 60% increase in FPS or a 50% cheaper card over the ability to use RT any day.

Also your tone is pretty toxic, as others pointed out.

That said, I AM excited about the 5xxx series far more than AMD's offerings this gen. I'm just not crawling through broken glass for the privilege of simping for Jensen like half the sheep on the internet are ATM. I will wait for detailed published results from the usual outlets.
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Nah, my tone is fine. I’m not attacking Tom’s Hardware for posting pricing information or anybody else for that matter. The truth hurts and AMD fanboys don’t like it. Whining about VAT, yet NOT including the tax in US dollars is irrelevant and hypocritical. All you get in American pricing is the MSRP. All those prices were meant to show was a ball park estimation on the cost of the card. Then the cost converted to dollars. MANY people took that personally like it was some kind of attack on AMD!

The truth is, AMD fanboys prefer, and buy Nvidia cards over AMD’s all day long. They just complain about Nvidia in the forums. You don’t get to over 90% market share if damn near EVERYONE isn’t buying your product! So you can stop with the Jensen and sheep stuff. Nvidia is outperforming AMD, period. This is just another example of that occurring again.

Frame generation is here to stay. So get used to it. It’s an important part of the performance of the card. So “turning it off,” then comparing the performance of its competitors is disingenuous. You “want” that extra HP that comes with these beefy cards. The 7900 XTX is no match for the RTX 4090. In fact, if you would’ve purchased a 4090, you wouldn’t have a need to upgrade again this generation! That exactly what’s going on right now with the RTX 5070 vs the RX 9070. You’re basically getting 4090 performance out of the 5070 for $549? You really can’t beat that. Then you have Intel dominating 1440p sitting at $250.

It’s going to be real interesting to see where the pricing is for the 9070. As it stands, there’s no real reason to buy this card.
 
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