Study shows what we all kind of suspected

[dogman_1234]

I'm, waiting for another 'Red Scare'...

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

The people, on the left and the right, who are trying to destroy Herman Cain because he is not a member of the club and doesn't play by their rules.

The progressive movement in America is over 100 years old. They play a game. The game is, ok you all get to control the purse for x number of years and then its our turn to control the purse for x number of years. The whole time, the average person is just trying to make a life for themselves why these assholes figure out new ways to separate us from our money and our freedom.

Games over. There is a political awakening happening. Kissinger even said so not long ago. As a result, the move towards globalization has been kicked into high gear.

It seems like this line comes from the Republicans every election. "I'm a political outsider," "a maverick," etc. Herman Cain is funded by the Koch brothers, he's as much "a member of the club" as any of them.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

im guessing that it is because they believe in more taxation on the rich and more wealth distribution. also because of the way they are protesting. There is violence everywhere. they are deficating on cop cars, having sex in public, and there are lots of anti semitics there that blame everything on the Jews. The only thing to love is that they are exercising their freedom of speech and how they want some sort of change

Citations, please.

 

[dogman_1234]

Citations, please.

At least they are not teabagging...oh, wait...

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Citations, please.

oh come on you have not heard of the violence or seen the picture of that guy defecating on the cop car? in LA they had to clean up a lot of $hit (literally) on the lawn. anti-semitics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxFa1c , http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/vandals-torch-vehicles-midwood-brooklyn-scrawl-anti-semitic-graffiti-article-1.976207

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

oh come on you have not heard of the violence or seen the picture of that guy defecating on the cop car? in LA they had to clean up a lot of $hit (literally) on the lawn. anti-semitics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxFa1c , http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/vandals-torch-vehicles-midwood-brooklyn-scrawl-anti-semitic-graffiti-article-1.976207

No, I haven't, which is why I asked for a citation.

The second link isn't even about Occupy Wall Street, except according to "Sandra Simone, a speech therapist at a nearby school."

So you have one example of antisemitism, out of who knows how many people.

EDIT: There's already been a demonstration against that particular incident. "Sunday’s march included about 25 people from the Occupy Wall Street movement in Manhattan, which put out a statement condemning the vandalism."

 

[mjmjpfaff]

sorry about that 2nd link.

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/occupy_wall_street.htm

you are right they have condemned. let me just say i was not calling them as a whole anti-semitics. that would be like calling the tea party rascist.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

sorry about that 2nd link.

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/occupy_wall_street.htm

you are right they have condemned. let me just say i was not calling them as a whole anti-semitics. that would be like calling the tea party rascist.

Much as I dislike the ADL, it looks like they support my impression (emphasis mine):

"While there is no evidence that these incidents are widespread, history reveals how economic downturns can embolden anti-Semites to spread malicious conspiracy theories about Jews and money. The financial crisis over the past few years has shown how turmoil in the markets can be exploited by anti-Semites to promote stereotypes about Jews.

As the focus of the demonstrations continues to develop and evolve, ensuring that the movement does not get hijacked by extremists or anti-Semitic elements is critical. Public rallies like OWS often draw a wide range of people with various personal or organizational agendas, including those seeking to exploit public rallies for their own purposes. The American Nazi Party, for example, expressed their support for OWS rallies in several cities via Twitter.

Thus far, however, anti-Semitism has not gained traction more broadly with the protestors, nor is it representative of the larger movement at this time."

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

Citations please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJkk8ysMnRk

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yes, please^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=01PEffm4pwg

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

That's hilarious! You don't know when your being 'tweaked' do you?

I knew you were referencing my comment, but I thought it was in order to defend your position that Cain is an outsider. Glad to hear we don't have to debate that.

I would be interested, like dogman, to hear who you think are "the ruling elite."

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

Yes, please^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=01PEffm4pwg

As with many of your comments, I don't understand the relevance.

 

[dogman_1234]

You don't need to...that is the beauty...it just makes sense on its own!

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

No, you don't get it. Cain was tweaking you with that comment. He knew by making that comment it would drive the lefties nuts.

When I say he is an outsider I mean he is not part of the political machine. He's not in the club of power brokers that run Washington.

He says, "I'm proud to know the Koch brothers, I'm very proud to know the Koch brothers." There's sparse clapping, and then he makes the joke, that the NY Times thinks he's way closer to them than he is: "They make it sound like that [sic] we've had time to go fishing together, hunting together, skiing together, golfing together." So he makes a comic statement to the effect that he likes the Koch brothers, but that he isn't as close to them as the media suggests: "But just so I can clarify this for the media, this may be a breaking news announcement for the media: I am the Koch brothers' brother from another mother. Yes! I'm their brother from another mother!" And then there's an old man dancing and clapping.

But besides that, since we're talking about whether he's an outsider or not, check out this link.

"Cain was elected to the Board of Directors of the National Restaurant Association in 1988. In 1994 to 1995, he served as Chairman of the Board of Directors. While leading this association, he developed the organization into a pro-business voice via national debates and speeches concerning health care reform, employment policies, and taxation. Following this experience, he was appointed to serve on the Economic Growth and Tax Reform Commission in addition to serving as Chairman and Member of the Board of Directors for the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He then became a senior advisor to the 1996 Dole/Kemp campaign for the Presidency."

 

[chunkymonster]

"Cain was elected to the Board of Directors of the National Restaurant Association in 1988. In 1994 to 1995, he served as Chairman of the Board of Directors. While leading this association, he developed the organization into a pro-business voice via national debates and speeches concerning health care reform, employment policies, and taxation. Following this experience, he was appointed to serve on the Economic Growth and Tax Reform Commission in addition to serving as Chairman and Member of the Board of Directors for the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He then became a senior advisor to the 1996 Dole/Kemp campaign for the Presidency."

Got more hairs to split?

In case you don't get the context, when pretty much anyone says, " he's an outsider", that typically means that the person in question is not a career politician and has never held a publicly elected office; compared to a Mitt Romney...

With all your rhetoric throughout these threads, I would think that a 3rd party person like Herman Cain would be an attractive choice to you. But, maybe I'm not reading your opinions correctly.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

Got more hairs to split?

In case you don't get the context, when pretty much anyone says, " he's an outsider", that typically means that the person in question is not a career politician and has never held a publicly elected office; compared to a Mitt Romney...

With all your rhetoric throughout these threads, I would think that a 3rd party person like Herman Cain would be an attractive choice to you. But, maybe I'm not reading your opinions correctly.

I don't think it's splitting hairs to mention that he was on the board of a local federal reserve bank and advised a presidential campaign.

True, he hasn't held public office, and if that's how you want to limit your definition of "outsider," then there's nothing more to be said.

I don't like him because he's a hearty supporter of the system I don't like. I think the ties between business and government, which illustrate why I don't consider him an outsider, both prevent the majority of the population from having a stake in their own government and rig the system contrary to free market ideals.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

Ok, so Cain knows the Koch brothers. So? You don't like them becuase they are businessmen? I'm not getting where your coming from. You don't like Cain because he's created thousands of jobs over decades and happen to sit as a chairman of the board for the federalr reserve?

To me, those ^^ experiences makes him intimately more qualified to be President then Barrack Obama who has no experience whatsoever.

I understand.

I generally don't like to see power and wealth concentrated so heavily, and I specifically don't agree with the positions their wealth advocates through groups the Americans for Prosperity, who lobby for the deregulation of the very industries in which the Koch family made their fortune.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Unfortunately, those very industries are sorely needed at this point, it would do th single most to this economy to help

 

[chunkymonster]

I don't think it's splitting hairs to mention that he was on the board of a local federal reserve bank and advised a presidential campaign.

True, he hasn't held public office, and if that's how you want to limit your definition of "outsider," then there's nothing more to be said.

Well, if that's the case, then you have a much broader definition of what a "political outsider" is than what is commonly held by most people.

I don't like him because he's a hearty supporter of the system I don't like. I think the ties between business and government, which illustrate why I don't consider him an outsider, both prevent the majority of the population from having a stake in their own government and rig the system contrary to free market ideals.

Now, here's some solid examples of why you don't like Herman Cain, I can respect that, those are ideological differences and not lame accusations of associations like those between Cain and the Koch brothers.

After all, if business and personal association for political inspiration was really an issue, then Obama's personal friendship with Mike Kruglick, Jeremiah Wright, Frank Marshall Davis, Louis Farrakhan, and William Ayres would not have been given a free pass.

Can you say, "six degrees of separation"?

 

[riser]

I'm part of the 53%. You know, the suckers who pay taxes.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

Unfortunately, those very industries are sorely needed at this point, it would do th single most to this economy to help

I agree that our economy would grow if their profits would grow, but that would not help the average American. The economy is actually back at pre-recession levels, and slowly growing; the wealth, though, is going mostly to the wealthy.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

Well, if that's the case, then you have a much broader definition of what a "political outsider" is than what is commonly held by most people.

Ok.

Now, here's some solid examples of why you don't like Herman Cain, I can respect that, those are ideological differences and not lame accusations of associations like those between Cain and the Koch brothers.

After all, if business and personal association for political inspiration was really an issue, then Obama's personal friendship with Mike Kruglick, Jeremiah Wright, Frank Marshall Davis, Louis Farrakhan, and William Ayres would not have been given a free pass.

Can you say, "six degrees of separation"?

Well those are sort of random names, but it is an issue. I dislike Obama for the same reason as I dislike Cain. In fact, Obama's funding from mega corporations is on a far larger scale than Cain's.

 

[l0ckd0wn]

LOL - Google is your friend...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=herman+cain+funded+by+koch

He's part of the rich power brokers; he ran the Kansas City Federal Reserve. How much more of a "player" does he have to be?

Hundreds of thousands of dollars to get his campaign off the ground; astro-turf, not grass roots.

40% of contributions from large individual donations vs Romney's 90% from large donations and Perry's exclusive funding from the Oil Corps.

I dislike Obama for the same reason as I dislike Cain. In fact, Obama's funding from mega corporations is on a far larger scale than Cain's.

Indeed.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

I'm sure there is left wing US attorney just salivating over the prospect of bringing charges. Oh wait......

Can't bring charges if no law is broken. ehhhhh, thank you for playing.

I think you're missing the point: Cain is an insider. Having established that, I won't be supporting him.

You've moved from "Cain is an outsider" to "I don't care if he's an insider, I like his connections to business interests," to "No laws were broken!"

 

[chunkymonster]

I think you're missing the point: Cain is an insider. Having established that, I won't be supporting him.

I think the only person here that you've convinced that Cain is not an outsider is yourself. If not Cain, who do you think is an outsider?

And, if not Cain, then who's topping your list? Who's gonna get the Chimpsky stamp of approval?

Just so you know this is not a loaded question, I will not be supporting Cain either, but not for the same reasons as you, I am genuinely interested in hearing who you would support.