Study shows what we all kind of suspected

[Nim Chimpsky]

I think the only person here that you've convinced that Cain is not an outsider is yourself. If not Cain, who do you think is an outsider?

And, if not Cain, then who's topping your list? Who's gonna get the Chimpsky stamp of approval?

Just so you know this is not a loaded question, I will not be supporting Cain either, but not for the same reasons as you, I am genuinely interested in hearing who you would support.

No one. The very nature of our political system prevents someone unconnected to government or big business from becoming president.

Yeah, you've only convinced yourself there Nim. If you are going to condemn someone by simple associations, with no evidence of wrongdoing or a crime being committed then that is your bias and shortsightedness speaking, not mine.

I'm still unsure why you brought crime into this. I'm only concerned about his connections; you can debate that if you want, but stick to the topic.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

No one. The very nature of our political system prevents someone unconnected to government or big business from becoming president.


I'm still unsure why you brought crime into this. I'm only concerned about his connections; you can debate that if you want, but stick to the topic.

that is for sure. i think it was cbs where i saw something on how congress (i think) makes personal investments based on who the government will be supporting, this is both democrats and republicans. it is just disgusting how messed up politicians are.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

that is for sure. i think it was cbs where i saw something on how congress (i think) makes personal investments based on who the government will be supporting, this is both democrats and republicans. it is just disgusting how messed up politicians are.

Link

 

[l0ckd0wn]

Yeah, you've only convinced yourself there Nim. If you are going to condemn someone by simple associations, with no evidence of wrongdoing or a crime being committed then that is your bias and shortsightedness speaking, not mine.

No one is trying to throw anything at this guy to make it stick, I'm just pointing out the obvious with my articles. You can support whoever you choose, obviously I'm not the most enthused about the Republican lineup, mostly because and I've stated it before, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are basicly back burnered because they don't play the game. You say Cain isn't a power player and doesn't play the game, yet he's never held an elected office and never once been under public scrutiny, so what credibility to the public does he currently have? Also, being part of the Fed is not a public office, so I'm just getting that out of the way now.

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

Here's an interesting development that relates to the thread topic.

"Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) released a report detailing special tax breaks for wealthy income earners that could give members of the supercommittee common ground for raising tax revenues.

The report found millionaires enjoy about $30 billion worth of 'tax giveaways' and federal grants every year — almost twice NASA’s budget, the report notes.

'From tax write-offs for gambling losses, vacation homes and luxury yachts to subsidies for their ranches and estates, the government is subsidizing the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Multimillionaires are even receiving government checks for not working,' Coburn said in a statement Monday."

 

[riser]

I agree that our economy would grow if their profits would grow, but that would not help the average American. The economy is actually back at pre-recession levels, and slowly growing; the wealth, though, is going mostly to the wealthy.

You are completely out of touch and lost in the numbers that are being played by the left. The US economy, by true accounting methods, has shrunk by nearly 7%. You cannot look at the GDP and say that number is real. Yeah, it grew at 4% or something. Why did it grow? Because the US gov't spent 1.4 TRILLION dollars it didn't have which artificially inflated GDP. The country spent far more money than it made. The trillion extra was artificially added to increase GDP a small amount while the debt size has soared. If you do a flat comparison without the government's accounting, the economy is smaller. Millions of jobs are still missing. They refer to it as a jobless recovery. It is a jobless recovery because the stimulus money is not a revenue stream, it is a one time deal. It did not work. But that doesn't quiet matter because by the time we really get to see those numbers again, the 2012 election will be over. At that point it won't matter. President Obama with either have lost or won another election and put forth his real agenda.

Research Japan's Lost Decade. For the last 3 years the US has been doing exactly what Japan tried for 10 years. After the 10th year, Japan was so broke the government couldn't borrow additional money to stimulate the economy. When government spending was drastically reduced, the economy recovered. When the government went into spending, the economy went down. 20 years ago Japan was going to take over the world's economy. Today, they're still suffering the long term effects from their 10 years of over spending. This is the current outlook for the US. We cannot sustain this additional spending to create false security. It has started failing.

If the government has the ability to fix the economy, it would have been done by now. They can't and they should reduce their footprint in the economy.

Though, as government employees often tell each other, "This is not a real job."

 

[Nim Chimpsky]

You are completely out of touch and lost in the numbers that are being played by the left.

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I said pretty much what you're saying, that the economy numbers don't reflect the sad reality for most Americans.