System Builder Marathon, December 2010: $2000 PC

[Crashman]

Now you guys are messing with my head! For the $1000 build you have the GeIL Black Dragon 4GB with the low CAS. For the $2000 build you go with the cheaper 6GB Mush with the higher CAS. I'm I seeing things - the 4GB seems to be the better memory??

I guess you didn't read the article then.

Micron D9KPT is better memory (best mid-priced chips) no matter how it's rated. DDR3-1333 CAS 9 1.5V, DDR3-1333 CAS 7 1.6V, DDR3-1600 CAS 8 1.65V, and DDR3-1866 CAS 9 1.65V are the same stuff when they're based on D9KPT chips.

Newegg's photo showed Micron D9KPT on Micron PCB's, so the memory was ordered with the belief that Micron D9KPT would be delivered. The result would have been the highest-possible value.

It wasn't until after the memory arrived that anyone knew Mushkin had switched suppliers. If you want to read more about why the builder was so excited to see photos of D9KPT chips on such an inexpensive product, read these:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dual-channel-ram-ddr3-4gb,2618-8.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/6gb-ddr3-x58,2372-7.html

Both those award winners used D9KPT chips on Micron PCB's, and those modules have been used in the high-end SBM builds over the past year. Of course you'd know that if you'd actually read the article before committing yourself to ridicule, and since we only ridicule what we don't understand...-1

 

[bobjones003]

I think would pefer the 6 core with better cooling maybe made sacfice on the case and no blue ray. and maybe a single 480 save some bucks so I could better overclock. Although I must admit I do some video encoding

 

[Crashman]

[citation][nom]bobjones003[/nom]I think would pefer the 6 core with better cooling maybe made sacfice on the case and no blue ray. and maybe a single 480 save some bucks so I could better overclock. Although I must admit I do some video encoding[/citation]Six cores were tried in September and the systems sucked.

 

[hardcore_gamer]

[citation][nom]Crashman[/nom]I thumbed you up for noticing that most of the comments are 0 Usually the false or misleading comments get thumbed up by the fanboys, while the careful observations go unnoticed.[/citation]

so the voting is disabled because of fanboys ?

 

[Crashman]

[citation][nom]hardcore_gamer[/nom]so the voting is disabled because of fanboys ?[/citation]I think there might actually be a problem with the server.

 

[Crashman]

"Well, the problem is how you define spec really. The modules Mushkin previously sold under this part number were double-sided, the new ones are single sided, and that means two modules of the same part number can't be mixed."

And how is this different from what Crucial did with the CT2KIT25664BA1339 I purchased?

Overclockable, D9KPTs were replaced with slow, single sided, doubled density modules with the exact same part number. Why do you seem to keep refusing to acknowledge this?

Yes, Crucial is very much just as at fault as Mushkin. Maybe I am misunderstanding your position here, but it seems as if you're defending their actions while saying Mushkin was in the wrong. If I'm wrong, fair enough.

I still feel Newegg isn't innocent either. If there are multiple parts using the same number (minus a suffix Newegg won't show you, and in fact, the images show a different suffix) then they need to make seperate entries for each part. There's obviously a difference between the modules, and they're not compatible with each other.

I've heard back from Crucial. You didn't get D9KPT, they've been eliminating those to save money. What you got is the higher-density, slower memory like we tested in their 4GB modules. So, basically you bought one thing expecting another and got screwed, like you said.

The good news for anyone who hasn't been screwed yet is that Crucial is releasing the award-winning modules under a new part number, CT2KIT25664BA1339A. The only difference in the model number is the A, but there's more to the story. It seams that the reason the new part number is being released to designate the old modules is because the higher-density replacement modules won't work with the memory controller of LGA-775 DDR3 chipsets.

From the Crucial Memory Configurator, the likely outcome is that the "better" parts will only be listed as compatible with older motherboards, while the "lesser" parts will be the only ones listed as compatible with newer motherboards. We could call that "listing corruption". Rest assured, the CT2KIT25664BA1339A will be supported by your board regardless of what Crucial's list says.

 

[eddieroolz]

Looks like a good build. Balance wins in my book.