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sandain, you wrote - "the _only_ problem I have ever had with it was a conflict between VIA's chipset my SBLive and my PCI TNT vid card (which was fixed by the purchase of a GeForce2 AGP)"

My point exactly. It is these little things that bother me. Even though that chipset is old, it still persists today. I mean, when I had my Kyro II (returned it) I went on a board, and everyone was talking about they couldn't get it to work on their AMD because VIA 4-in-1 or something. Now, if all they needed were the 4-in-1 drivers, that would be cool, but it depended on which one they installed and which board they had, to get the card to work. It is these little incompatibilities and problems that drive people away.

I am not anti-AMD. I am pro-Intel though. If my pops or family wanted a computer, PIII all the way, because of the aforementioned problems.

Me, I have a PIII 1Ghz, about to sell and get the new Tualatin 1.2 and o/c it to 1.4 or possibly 1.5. I know, I know, the price, but "bling bling, money ain't a thing". No I am not rich and pretend that I make tons of money (still a graduate student, don't even have a job), but when I want something, I go get the money, somehow someway.

I do want to mess with AMD though, it looks like you guys have fun. Hey, maybe those incompatibilities are actually entertaining, as I just put together my computer and it runs. My friend who works at a comp shop has an AMD 1Ghz chip laying around, that came from a branch that shut down, he is going to give it to me (hope it works!). That will be my first AMD project.

deez-in ya mouth!
 
The time frame was not different, amd and intel release the speed upgrades reletivly at the same time, and for the same mhz jump, standard practice, go back and check the release dates, so if you wanna burn amd for that, burn intel right along with it.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
Intel cpus are not more stable than amd cpus coughp31.13cough, the rest is FUD crap.

Most sites have the 1.8 and 1.4 running neck and neck, look around. THG is not the ONLY tech site in the universe.

Amdmeltdown, You have no bearing on anything, and untill you learn to install a heatsink properly kiss my ass.

As for comparing wolverine to FUGGER, hes not that bad, however I do find his lol, AMD BIASED TESTERS, lol, that sounds like republicans saying the media is left wing evil democrats, thats why they get a bad rap.

Comes down to this, you buy your p4 system, tell me how much you spent, and for the same amount I will build an amd system which CHEWS IT THE <PEEP> UP. END OF DEBATE!

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
>Intel cpus are not more stable than amd cpus coughp31.13cough, the rest is FUD crap.

the old p3 1.13Ghz was pulled from the market, unlike the flawed Amd cpus that are still floating around! and quickly covered up btw.

>Most sites have the 1.8 and 1.4 running neck and neck, look around.

you talk alot of sh!t! where are these sites? show proof! stop talking bs and provide links!

>tell me how much you spent, and for the same amount I will build an amd system which CHEWS IT THE blah, blah, blah

only in bringing up word 1 second faster, so what? a lil' o' lady can type faster and be more productive with a 286 than you with your superior HOTHLON. P4 is faster in everything that counts! end of debate.

It's nice to see AMD release a phantom K8 and see all the Amd zealots praise the masterwork of Amd 🙂

it's especially nice to see a virtual machine running K8 apps and now a phantom chip to go with it! how cool!

no, Tomshardware is not biased it's AMD based!
no, Vanshardware is not biased it's AMD based!
no, Aceshardware is not biased it's AMD based!
no, JCNEWs is not biased it's AMD based!

say 10x

Maisaro, until you show some proof to back your claims, stfu!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
 
Well dood, if you dont like it here that much goto a pure Intel forum instead. Or is it too hard to flame there huh...

Crank it up... way up!! I need that power.
 
Here you go amdmoron, after you read this they have a great how to install a heatsink article there too, sounds to me like you need it, with all those melted amd cores you have left in your bumbling wake.
PS: I wont reply to trolls like you anymore moron.

link 1
this is a comparison between a 1.33 and a 1.7, using MANY MANY different benchmarks, it shows the tbird winning mostof the benchmarks, but overall its close to neck and neck.

http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2001q2/pentium4-1.7/index.x?pg=4

(add 66mhz for the tbird, and 100mhz for the p4 and its reasonable to assume the results would maintain pretty much the same balance(remember an amd mhz is worth more than a p4mhz, do you dispute that amdmeltduface))

link 2
http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/673/2.html
its a german website, but benchmark graphs are the universal language, and let me translate them for you

ATHLON 1.4 IS AT LEAST EQUAL TO THE P4 1.8
It would even appear the tbird is winning this benchmark suite, however I only set out to prove they are at least equal, which I did.

Now AMDmeltdumbass, are the germans amd biased??? I dont care what you have to say to these benchmarks, because you are a moron troll with no brains. I have wasted 30 minutes finding benchmarks to shut your ignorant mouth, now good sir, kindly read it, weep and go the hell to an intel forum to drone on about your crap.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
And these links apply to you too wolverine, its pretty obvious that the amd 1.4 whups the 1.7, and is at least equal to the 1.8, read the benchmarks.

Anyone else got some benchmarks to share with everyone, Intel or amd, benchmarks IN MASSE, do not lie.

The more benchmarks we have the clearer the picture will be, so everyone SHARE.....except fugger, hes a moron and I'm not interested in his p90 benchmarks.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
Good post...many valid points.

As I recall, the Cyrix 586 was supposed to be superior to the DX4/100 it competed against. Something about being nearly a Pentium because of the instruction set it used.

Intel 80186 -- it actually did see the light of day -- of sorts.. the Tandy 2000 used that processor. This was back before the PC standard was set in stone and other computer makers tried to set the standard or vied against IBM. The T2K was MSDOS compatible, but Tandy used different addresses for video and several other functions and this meant that many programs would not run, or run properly on that system.
 
Matisaro, you are looking more and more like a fool! do you realize this? you make claims like "Duh Athlon 1.4 is equal to the P4 2.0" hahaha! you say you've wasted 30mins and all you can come up with is a german site? come on, if you lay off the X then maybe those neurons can grow back! 🙂 your moronic theory(add 66mhz for duh tbird, and...) does not hold up to scrutiny and at best is a pathetic attempt from an AMD zealot trying to distort the truth, you sir are a fool!

Oh, and FYI I never fried a cpu in my life, only my some customers have and they were mostly lil' punks like you who don't do their homework.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
 
Wow!... I leave this forum for hmm 4-5 months.. Since I were getting pretty tired of all the flaming and foul language used by some frequent posters.
Just to knock things abit back.. I run an AMD 1.33 and have had no stability problems what so ever.. I run a ftp server so if I don't fool around too much with my computer it runs nice for weeks.. even months.. but that's beside the point. As one poster mentioned earlier.. (cannot remember who, since all I do remember is all the shocking words and intollerance that posters post), most instability problems are the OS' fault. I run win98se home, it has a lot of flaws, but I blame me for most of em.. I should have done a clean reinstall after changing mb/cpu and some hardware 3 times.. it has it effects I might say 🙂.. well anyway, at work I run a p3 450.. it works quite nicely, except that I have to boot the machine once or twice a day if I'ld like it to work nicely. It aint the processors fault nor the hardware. Win2k is too sensitive to funky programs that it responds erratically whenever I use such programs. Well.... what it should cook down to.. is that all in all one cannot say that this processor is better than this one simply due to numbers. For most consumers they don't understand what the numbers of benchmarks mean. It's like statistics.. I never believe statistics since they don't reveal the target group or the survey method used, hence they might have asked old pentionists about things that are related to young ppl. Same with benchmarks. Intel used FPU benchmarks to hype their processor sales back in the old K6 days... now they don't, now they use sse2 benchmarks, since AMD don't support them, it's back to the good old K6 days.. Intel did a bold move to introduce an excelent sse2 cpu, but a cpu with crappy fpu performance into a market who barely knows what sse2 can be used to..... it's the next step in line.. sse2 will come, and that's good it's a nice instructionset for developers, but that aside. Amd will also support sse2 in upcomming cpu's so .. there we go.. anyway.. stop flaming here.. it makes serious posters anxious about posting and gives the board an unserious look. Please... Ahh anyway take care folks.. don't buy the hypes from either company... btw it's easy to cook an intel cpu he he .. I've done it once.. no prob.. Depends on how crappy yer fan is.. and how big a jump you make.. I'll buy intel when they produce a product I feel comfortable with.. p4 just aint doing it for me, rambus mem is too expensive compared to performance, besides I don't need 1 or 10 more frames per second in 640x480.. since it's the graphics board that's the main bottleneck in highresolutions... And GF2 Ultra is more than fast enough in 1024x768 in all the games I've played.. Blech.. I sound like I'm biased towards AMD but I ain't .. I've owned more intel systems than amd.... and I were intel biased before.. go figure.. it was a tough choice to leave intel.. believe me I got a lot of laughs from friends who's been amd biased for many years.. ahh well may the best win..

-Live long and prosperous.
 
You asked for benchmarks, I gave you some, you want more, waste your own time looking for them.
Troll.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
Hi Spud!

You are awful quiet and tame. What happened to you at rehab? I see visions of "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest". Hope you are well, and are not overly medicated and sedated.

<font color=blue>This is a Forum, not a playground. Treat it with Respect.</font color=blue>
 
I exist, but remember me saying that when I am 20 I would be a lot nicer. Well I am 20 now so *sign* I am going to be somewhat nice. Actually by law I cannot discuss what had occurred their jlbigguy. The Youth Offenders Act, Social Services Confidentiality Act, Therapy Act, (In case of group stuff) and simply honor plus if I signed some papers on the way out too, so all in all I can face jail time as well (say I went to the newspapers).

-Spuddy


<font color=red>Being Evil Is Good. Cause I Can Be A Prick And Get Away With It.</font color=red> :lol:
 
"Intel 80186 -- it actually did see the light of day -- of sorts.. the Tandy 2000 used that processor."

I knew I saw the processor somewhere, thanks for the info.

-Sandain
 
"My point exactly. It is these little things that bother me. Even though that chipset is old, it still persists today."

We are in agreement that VIA sucks, they are the root of many of the "problems" with AMD systems. I am personaly looking forward to seeing what Nvidia has to offer to the table, the nForce looks very good on paper.

Prior to the video card upgrade, the speakers on my system would crackle whenever I did anything to make the graphic card work (resize a window..). I always thought I got a defective sound card from Creative, I talked to there support and they reccomened the latest drivers and 4in1 from VIA. I tried it without fixing the crackle, but the 4in1 did speed things up nicely. That night I came up with the idea of changing out the video card, perhaps I was overloading the bandwidth on the PCI bus. I got a GeForce2 MX400 and installed it and my system has been very happy ever since. Up untill I installed Anarcy Online recently, my system had been running constantly for over a month (with a M$ OS no doubt) with no stability problems. Anarchy Online is the buggiest game I've enjoyed playing in a long time. 😉


"I do want to mess with AMD though, it looks like you guys have fun."

I haven't OC'd a system in a long time, I suppose I grew out of that phase (it is still tempting though). I enjoy having a stable system and I have found AMD processors meet that requirement at a very decent price. My system has an old slot A motherboard, so for me to OC it I would have to find someone still selling a Goldfinger device. I may just live with 650mhz for one more year, next year will probably be an interesting one anyway.

Enjoy playing with your new system!

-Sandain
 
"Dont believe me? pull the power on your HSF. chicken!"

FYI: I just did..

I am about to buy a Athlon 1.4 to upgrade my current Duron 600 (@933). A duron 600 isnt worth a dime on the aftersales market (even though it overclocks very nice), so I dont care if it melts. My only fear was I might damage the MB in the process, but decided to try it anyway.

I booted into Win2K, let it run for about 15 mins. CPU Temp was 38°C @933 Mhz 1.7v. I had configured my BIOS to shutdown at 70°C. Then I pulled both wires of my Noisecontrol Silverado cooler while watching CPU monitor. Immediatily, I heard a "siren" indicating cpu fans had failed. A message box informs me it will auto shut down the system in 5 secs, but I cancel (*).. Temps rise, but not nearly as fast as I thought. about 1°C a second, a bit more in the beginning perhaps. But nowhere near this guestimated 5 seconds to meltdown that I heard so often.

At 64°C my USB mouse freezes, but the keyboard remains responsive. At 68°C it shuts down. Plain simple.

After a few minutes to allow it to cool down, I reconnect all fans, boot it up, and apparantly everything still works fine.

Idiot prove enough for me. Maybe if I take off the heatsink while its on, it might not react fast enough, and the core my fry anwyay, but then again, hsf's dont fall off that easily.. and if you ever try to boot a machine without even a heatsink on, you're so stupid you shouldnt be allowed near a PC. Let alone, assemble one. And even that may still work, I dont know, and wont try.

I used a MSI K7T Turbo RAID with BIOS version 2.8

---- Owner of the only Dell computer with an AMD chip
 
>Heh, risky way to insult fugger dude

I dont think I insulted Fugger, did I ? Didnt mean to.

Anyway, I tested it not because of what fugger said, but out of curiousity. Ever since I saw that option appear in the BIOS, I wondered, would it work ? Now I had the opportunity, so I tried it. It will also make me sleep a bit better when I leave my system on 24/24 when outfitted with the 1.4..

---- Owner of the only Dell computer with an AMD chip
 
>Dont believe me? pull the power on your HSF. chicken!
>I can safely pull the power on my HSF and not worry about
>it destroying itself =)

Hey fugger,

I showed you mine, now you show me yours ;-)

Take off the heatsink (not just the fan, be a man) of that P4 of yours, and lets see if it still boots, while clock throtteling. Im curious. If it does, I'd be interested to see how it still performs (50% ?)

How does this clock throtteling work anyway, will it just drop to 50% or can it go even lower ? Even if it works at a fraction of the orignal speed, it might interest me to have a modern but HSF-less CPU for an ultra super low profile home grown project.



---- Owner of the only Dell computer with an AMD chip
 
MSI has a nice mobo, I suspect that you have permanently damaged that cpu while subjecting it to your "lets prove a point" test(pissing contest).

I doubt very much you would even post if your test was a failure, this just proves to me how fanatical you guys are, and stupid in your case.

FYI just booting into an OS does not mean all is well.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
 
Read and think b4 flaming...

>I suspect that you have permanently damaged that cpu while
>subjecting it to your "lets prove a point" test(pissing
>contest).

First of all, I didnt do this in response to what Fugger wrote. I did it out of curiosity, and because I had an almost worthless cpu anyway. I did this test a few days ago, and before I even read Fuggers post. If you want to call me stupid for risking a $20cpu, go ahead...

Secondly, the cpu never got hotter than 68°C (well, lets say maybe 70-72).. while that my be too hot to operate reliably, I seriously doubt it would permanently damage it. Fact is, it still works fine. Hell, if it didnt, I wouldnt care. Im getting a new Athlon one this evening anyway. Also, if I really cared that much for a stupid piece of silicon I wouldnt overclock it by 50%, would I ?

>FYI just booting into an OS does not mean all is well.

Thanks for pointing that out to me..
Didnt I say "and <b>aparantly</b> everything still works fine". ?

FYI, the computer hasnt exhibited one problem in the last two days.. I didnt really torture test it, I just played my usual games (OFP and Giants) and at night it ran genome@home. Dont tell that doesnt guarantee anything, I KNOW IT DOESNT. But then, what does ? and who cares..
Go flame tbirdinside.

---- Owner of the only Dell computer with an AMD chip
 
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