The GeForce GTX 770 Review: Calling In A Hit On Radeon HD 7970?

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No need to be kind to Chris. He has taken many a beating over the years. LOL benefits of GPU reviewing...

OBVIOUS Hihglighted...

EDIT : Just to be clear, that was sarcasm...
 
[citation][nom]sarinaide[/nom]It is not a new architecture but it is a hefty revision to GK104 and its being pitted against a Tahiti core that is approaching 2 years old, this is testiment to how AMD have refreshed the 7970's life and still is an attractive proposition, to outlast GTX600 which barely made a year and still go strong is kudo's to just how impressive GCN is.[/citation]

[citation][nom]sarinaide[/nom]AMD doesn't need to throw its hand as they have a lot working in their favor now, first being Nvidia have thrown the 600 and 700 family against the GCN architecture which is a year older than Kepler and still delivering, we also know AMD have impressive power gating seen with the 7790 being a 128Bit card delivering close to the 650ti boost and 7850 performance while operating at the 7770's power.[/citation]

So GCN is approaching 2 years old while Kepler is just a year old. How does this work when these architectures came to market 3 months apart from each other? And it looks like you take the exaggeration further in your second comment and claim GCN is a full year older than Kepler. Look, I think most people would argue that GCN is a good architecture, so there's really no need to bolster your argument by bending the truth in its favor.
 
With a single BTC seeming to have stabilized lately in the $120-$130 range, I am cautiously optimistic that my HD7970 may yet have enough time to pay for itself, though it will be close. I will look forward to the article on bitmining.

Since I run single-card configurations, this new card is not all that impressive; it's just an overclocked GTX680 with a new label stuck on it. Still, it looks to be $50-$80 cheaper. I want to see what nVidia's next card in the $200 range can do. I use a HD7870 for games, but would like to have PhysX.
 
[citation][nom]sarinaide[/nom]AMD doesn't need to throw its hand as they have a lot working in their favor now, first being Nvidia have thrown the 600 and 700 family against the GCN architecture which is a year older than Kepler and still delivering[/citation]

You should try being more precise. HD 7970 launched 2011 Dec 22, GTX 680 - 2012 Mar 22 - only 3 months of difference, not an year.
 
[citation][nom]ingtar33[/nom]I was being kind to the reviewer and quoting the $400 msrp. We won't see a single 770 for less then $450 till the next gen AMD cards come out.[/citation]




 
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Of the 7 770's currently listed on Newegg, 6 are below $450.
 
Interesting. This is probably what Nvidia should have done with the 600-series in the first place.

BTW, Chris/Igor, was wondering, would it be a good idea to just report FCAT's filtered Min/Max or Min/Max/Avg instead of Avg Hardware and Actual?

I mean, finally the only thing that's going to be seen on screen is the actual FPS, so is there a point of reporting the unfiltered hardware FPS?

[citation][nom]cangelini[/nom]I'd like to do more of this. Unfortunately, the FCAT testing gives us a maximum resolution of 2560x1440 (our screens are 27", btw, and only cost $400 each). With that said there *is* a way to do 5760x1080 testing using FCAT--we basically only capture the video from the display with the overlay running on it. This would double the time commitment, though. I think it's definitely warranted for a follow-up piece that doesn't involve an embargo. I certainly found myself asking how each multi-GPU config would behave at 57x10. Great request.[/citation]
I think Bandit meant multi-resolution, not multi-monitor (1600x900/1080p/etc).
 


These high range cards only 1080p and 1440p are relevant me thinks...
 
[citation][nom]ingtar33[/nom]i like how you're talking a price drop. this is a PRICE INCREASE.670 - 350770 - 400they just raised the price of their x70 series cards $50 or 15% and you're crowing it from the mountaintops that this is a price drop. You're playing straight into nvidia's marketing strategy. They raised the price of their x80 chips by 45% and gave us a 20% performance upgrade. They raised the x70 series by 15% and gave us about a 10% increase in performance. We'll see the whole nvidia lineup go up in price this round, for what is effectively a refresh series.They played you THG, and you fell for it. This won't drive down the price of anything. This is a massive price increase for the end user, and you're giving it a smart buy award. Shame on you.[/citation]
I don't see this as a price increase at all. It performs better than a GTX680, but costs $50-$80 less than a GTX680; I'd call that a price decrease.

 




yes, but it is a price increase over the 670.

nvidia was rumored a few months ago, to be planning to raise prices 15%-30% with their 7xx lineup. People at the time were skeptical "how can they raise prises with a lineup refresh?"

well we have the answer.

The 670 and 680 shared the same gpu with the 770, the 770 is a 15% price increase over the 670. the 780 is a 45% price increase over the 680. They're justifying the cross the board price increase by pushing all their gpus down one number and making small tweaks to the design. The 700 series represents a small performance increase over the 600 series and a significant price increase across the board.

that's what i'm concerned about. when it rolls down the lineup to the lower end 700s we'll likely see the same process. The net result will be the 600 series won't be sold anymore and nvidia will have raised their prices for their whole lineup across the board.

Yes, the consumer gets better performance at each step in the lineup (15% or so) which is to be expected from a generational move, the consumer also gets stuck with a higher bill for that performance.

This lineup isn't going to bring the price of anything down... it represents a price increase... at least until the next AMD series comes out at least.
 


give it a week, those prices will all be $50 more. everything comes out at MSRP... the 700 lineup won't stay there long. I remember when the 8350 was announced at an msrp of 195, you could actually get it for that price for like 3 days... before a week had gone you couldn't find it anywhere for less then $220. it was months before the price came down to MSRP again. You'll see the same thing here. in a few days the price of all of those cards will be +$50
 
[citation][nom]ojas[/nom]Interesting. This is probably what Nvidia should have done with the 600-series in the first place.BTW, Chris/Igor, was wondering, would it be a good idea to just report FCAT's filtered Min/Max or Min/Max/Avg instead of Avg Hardware and Actual?I mean, finally the only thing that's going to be seen on screen is the actual FPS, so is there a point of reporting the unfiltered hardware FPS?I think Bandit meant multi-resolution, not multi-monitor (1600x900/1080p/etc).[/citation]
We've actually started reporting *only* the frame rate and variance you see. By default, FCAT wants to report the practical frame rate and hardware frame times, but this is a little unfair I think. By only presenting the filtered data, beginning with this piece, AMD's variance does look as bad, because we're already sorting out the runts and drops and giving you what you actually see, if that makes sense?
 
[citation][nom]ingtar33[/nom]give it a week, those prices will all be $50 more. everything comes out at MSRP... the 700 lineup won't stay there long. I remember when the 8350 was announced at an msrp of 195, you could actually get it for that price for like 3 days... before a week had gone you couldn't find it anywhere for less then $220. it was months before the price came down to MSRP again. You'll see the same thing here. in a few days the price of all of those cards will be +$50[/citation]
So you're taking a fringe anomaly in AMD CPU pricing and using it to forecast Nvidia dGPU pricing? Why? I think if you look at a wider range of more applicable examples you'd see that graphics card pricing tends to settle below MSRP, not above it.
 


Well gonna have to wait for AMD to show up before you comment on that much. It's all relative.
 
[citation][nom]Novuake[/nom]Well gonna have to wait for AMD to show up before you comment on that much. It's all relative.[/citation]
Yes, in this case relative to the GTX680. Strictly in reference to nVidia's own offerings, I can pay less to get more. Hopefully AMD will offer similar price decreases, although I'm thinking I'd like to have PhysX...
 

You're acting as if Nvidia has released a new architecture or scaled down to a smaller process. That is what makes newer cards provide more performance for about the same price.

This time, it's the same architecture and the same GPUs. So prices shouldn't really be expected to change. They are still dropping a bit compared to the same GPU configurations in the 600 series, probably the result of better yields and Nvidia marketing strategy.

There's nothing to complain about. Once Nvidia release Maxwell, the flagship - GTX 880 presumably - should be back down in the $450-500 area, and the rest of the lineup should also resemble what we usually see. In any case, we should expect significantly more performance per dollar.

If Nvidia fail to deliver that, then you can rant and rave about it. And line up for an AMD GPU like everyone else would be in that unlikely event.
 
[citation][nom]BigMack70[/nom]It kinda sickens me that people like you don't seem to read the article before commenting. If you read the article, you would know there is nothing next gen about this card other than the sticker.[/citation]
Hell all he had to read was the last paragraph really.
 
I can't wait to see what AMD's response is. Hopefully we'll see a price drop on their high-end cards in the short term. Then later this year, the 9000 series should hopefully topple the 700 series, since it's a new architecture and not a refresh. AMD's game bundle is a pretty major deal as well, Nvidia really needs to work on theirs, Metro: Last Light and in-game currency for games very few play doesn't cut it. But AMD really needs to work out their Crossfire kinks, the 7990 and CF pairs had some abysmal performance in a few of those games.
 
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