The MacPadd.com/David Free Ultimatum

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So I just had to create an account so I could post about this. I read Tom's daily to keep informed about tech news, and this is by far the most intriguing article in a long time. This is like a day time soap, so much juicy drama lol. And I whole heartedly agree with Tuan and his actions.
 
[citation][nom]radiovan[/nom]...is an engineer (can't spell, argh).[/citation]
[citation][nom]radiovan[/nom]Hi all,One thing I would like to add regarding Mr. Free. In the previous articles it was stated that Mr. Free said that he an Engineering. Such a claim can get him in some hot water with the Ontario Professional Engineers - http://www.peo.on.ca/ if he is not. If you have time give them a call and see what they have to say. PEO's contact info is on their main page.[/citation]


This would only be a problem if he claimed to be a Professional Engineer (with all the necessary accreditation). He could be a sanitation engineer for all we know and the board would not care about his claim.
 
Free needs to get his willy laid I think and get it over with, and like i said in te last article's comment section, I DO hope you are the ones ending up sueing him and making him regret being a scumbitch and also opening his piehole on top of it as if he has the right to.
 
[citation][nom]trucmuche4[/nom]Why is Tom's Hardware allowing one of it's employees to use it's website and notoriety to wash his dirty laundry?In my view, Tom's Hardware is about news and computer how-to, not about consumer protection. It is irrelevant to me whether the author is right or not, it's just that TH is not the place to do it.Please put an end to this ridiculous string of articles.[/citation]

Let me inform you of this: Yes, THW is a site dedicated to computer know how, but it is also a news site, specifically dedicated to all things computer, including retailers. Maybe Tuan is washing his dirty laundry here, maybe he's not, your opinion. But as Macpadd is a so-far fraudulent retailer, he has good reasons to report it here, as said in my last post, the more people who know about this, the fewer people who will be scammed from him. Tuan's reasons my not have been to inform the public about such a scam, and instead to start WWIII, but the readers have seen the value in these articles, Tuan's superiors have not taken these articles off, and as such, it seems in bounds to review a retailer of computer wares, to let readers know trustworthy places to get their wares.
 
This David Free guy proves a theory of mine right: most dishonest people are also stupid and when caught, they squeal and moan as load as they can, hoping do divert the attention away from their obvious stupidity...

Thumbs up for Tomshardware, my favorite site of its kind.
 
Tuan, I don't disagree that Free has behaved poorly in this, but in my opinion, he is not the only bad actor here. For one thing, the MacPadd website states that "product ships within 3 to 7 business days." You placed your order on Friday Oct 23 and then opened your PayPal dispute claim on Oct 30, a mere 5 business days later. According to Free's posted 7-day shipping promise, he had until Nov 3 to ship your mouse pads. That is the point at which his promise is either kept or broken, but you couldn't seem to wait that long. I understand your earlier phone calls went unanswered, and you had suspicions, but still...

I think I would have waited at least until the posted shipping deadline before opening an official PayPal complaint, but maybe I'm just too patient. Maybe you had your own deadline to fill some product review space on this website, and you were getting a little too anxious.
 
Ugg not the first time i heard somebody getting ripped off by a canadian company (the other rip-off was totally unrelated) but for $50.00 the company should have just refunded the PayPal account or at least sent the product. It's a fricken mouse Pad made from a slab of aluminum, it shouldn't be too hard to manufacture, press, and stamp a logo on it. Lack of tracking number? well OK i dunno how UPS or Fedex or DHL handles things in canada or what they use in canada, but a tracking number isn't always supported but a simple email back implying "we're sorry for the shipping delays, your product is on its way or held in customs" or "sorry but your product is on back-order, would you like to continue the purchase or ask for a refund?" its that simple. and its $50 for crying out loud, its shouldn't break MacPad from refunding $50 on a product they never sent.
 
[citation][nom]techguy911[/nom]Are you sure about your facts? because i know for a fact that anodized aluminum surfaces are environmentally safe:http://www.anodizing.org/Anodizing/applications.htmlAs for your claims of no anti-bacterial effects:http://www.sciencedirect.com/scien [...] 1acd65bc78People should do research before making claims that are false.[/citation]
That small paragraph you link to about the antibacterial effects is about anodized aluminum with deposited silver, which the macpadd doesn't have. It is the silver which is the antibacterial agent there, not the aluminum itself. His claims of H1N1 resistance are stupid because H1N1 is a virus, not a bacteria. Get your facts straight.
 
Dear Bill gates is your daddy I just cut and pasted what David Free posted in his blog. I am on Tuan side dude why don't you read before you rip. O and hackers unite was a joke but I am sure you are too young to remember that movie. JUST READ BEFORE YOU FLAME PLEASE!! I post thing and some people are all too serious if you can't tell a joke from the real thing then do research.. AS for age you profile pic looks like you are 15 years old... Try to be cool...
 
If there is doubt on this point, I can verify that the MAcPadd is a real product that has really shipped to real people. In fact I met Mr. Free once in a coffee shop (why I noticed this article), and I recall that he was was doing something related to shipping on his laptop (while using a MacPadd). And yes others can confirm this is a real product and a real business (http://www.google.com/search?q=macpadd+review).

I have no idea what really happened between the two parties and so I won't comment on that, except to say that it seems uncharacteristic of the person I met who proudly explained to me how he perfected the manufacturing process of the padd to match the Mac look and to glide smoothly, etc.

This whole campaign seems very unprofessional on the part of tomshardware. Exposing fraud is great, but YOU SOULD PROVE it is fraud before destroying a small company and an entrepreneur's reputation.

One instance of bad customer service DOES NOT PROVE the company is fraud, and while Tuan is certainly entitled to his opinion, I would hope he would use his powerful voice responsibly by first INVESTIGATING the history of a company and its operations before alerting the BBB and Canadian authorities with his very presumptive claim.

Having once run a small business myself, I know what it's like to handle every aspect including shipping. Shipping mistakes happen: it's unavoidable. Customers also make mistakes, and I learned there are far more customers trying to scam small companies than there are scammy companies.

I'm glad that none of the minor CS issues with my customers (such as late shipping, wrong product shipped, not answering my phone in time) got turned intro fraud accusations by major publications, because that would not only have destroyed my business, but my personal reputation and career.

With great power comes great responsibility, and while Tuan may have had a very unpleasant cS experience, it seems very childish to take revenge by defaming the company and individual.

In my opinion this is a clear case of defamation because Tuan's claims of *fraud* are completely unsubstantiated, yet the article has tags and a URL of "News macpadd qms fraud scam". If I were Mr. Free, I would be taking serious legal action against tomshardware.


 
lol Christop. You do realize the way you word things in today's society is everything. However I bet I am much older than you. And Why the hell are you viewing my profile? Stalking me or something like that - I don't want to know.
 
[citation][nom]bill gates is your daddy[/nom]So I submitted a new definition to UrbanDictionary for macpadd. You can find it below. I logged in as an editor to help publish it. Hopefully others will publish it as well and it will show up soon. I don't agree with meek48's definition.A mythical device said to be created by unicorns and fairies that will cure you from STD's, cancer, receding hairline, gingivitis and most cases of jock itch. Will not protect you from the H1N1 virus as it is used in the manufacturing process.An actual sample of said device has never been found since the Mythical Creatures Manufacturing Union chapter 48 has closed down talks and have went on strike.Tom: Man come look at this cool ass Macpadd mouse pad I'm going to order. It says that I can save the world if I purchase this thing.Frank: What? It's a slab of aluminum with some rubber shelf matting. I can make you that right now in the garage.Tom: But look, it says it will protect me from the H1N1 virus. You know I don't like getting sick.Frank: It's aluminum. A quick shot of Lysol, or better yet bleach, would work out better.Tom: But I'm an Apple connoisseur and I need this. It has Mac in the name so it must be fancy.Frank: Whatever. It's your money asshat. I'm going to the bar.[/citation]

LMAO! You are freaking awesome, and just as entertaining as this whole situation
 
This is dumb... Take your refund and don't do business with the guy. I work for an e-commerce company (so I can see this from both perspectives) and both of you are acting like idiots.
 
[citation][nom]Alex_Frakking[/nom]If there is doubt on this point, I can verify that the MAcPadd is a real product that has really shipped to real people. In fact I met Mr. Free once in a coffee shop (why I noticed this article), and I recall that he was was doing something related to shipping on his laptop (while using a MacPadd). And yes others can confirm this is a real product and a real business (http://www.google.com/search?q=macpadd+review).I have no idea what really happened between the two parties and so I won't comment on that, except to say that it seems uncharacteristic of the person I met who proudly explained to me how he perfected the manufacturing process of the padd to match the Mac look and to glide smoothly, etc.This whole campaign seems very unprofessional on the part of tomshardware. Exposing fraud is great, but YOU SOULD PROVE it is fraud before destroying a small company and an entrepreneur's reputation.One instance of bad customer service DOES NOT PROVE the company is fraud, and while Tuan is certainly entitled to his opinion, I would hope he would use his powerful voice responsibly by first INVESTIGATING the history of a company and its operations before alerting the BBB and Canadian authorities with his very presumptive claim.Having once run a small business myself, I know what it's like to handle every aspect including shipping. Shipping mistakes happen: it's unavoidable. Customers also make mistakes, and I learned there are far more customers trying to scam small companies than there are scammy companies.I'm glad that none of the minor CS issues with my customers (such as late shipping, wrong product shipped, not answering my phone in time) got turned intro fraud accusations by major publications, because that would not only have destroyed my business, but my personal reputation and career.With great power comes great responsibility, and while Tuan may have had a very unpleasant cS experience, it seems very childish to take revenge by defaming the company and individual. In my opinion this is a clear case of defamation because Tuan's claims of *fraud* are completely unsubstantiated, yet the article has tags and a URL of "News macpadd qms fraud scam". If I were Mr. Free, I would be taking serious legal action against tomshardware.[/citation]

Since you're posting links here's another one.

http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/macpadd-the-mouse-pad-for-your-mac.html

See the comments....seems like CS isn't Free's strong suit.
 
[citation][nom]Alex_Frakking[/nom]If there is doubt on this point, I can verify that the MAcPadd is a real product that has really shipped to real people. In fact I met Mr. Free once in a coffee shop (why I noticed this article), and I recall that he was was doing something related to shipping on his laptop (while using a MacPadd). And yes others can confirm this is a real product and a real business (http://www.google.com/search?q=macpadd+review).I have no idea what really happened between the two parties and so I won't comment on that, except to say that it seems uncharacteristic of the person I met who proudly explained to me how he perfected the manufacturing process of the padd to match the Mac look and to glide smoothly, etc.This whole campaign seems very unprofessional on the part of tomshardware. Exposing fraud is great, but YOU SOULD PROVE it is fraud before destroying a small company and an entrepreneur's reputation.One instance of bad customer service DOES NOT PROVE the company is fraud, and while Tuan is certainly entitled to his opinion, I would hope he would use his powerful voice responsibly by first INVESTIGATING the history of a company and its operations before alerting the BBB and Canadian authorities with his very presumptive claim.Having once run a small business myself, I know what it's like to handle every aspect including shipping. Shipping mistakes happen: it's unavoidable. Customers also make mistakes, and I learned there are far more customers trying to scam small companies than there are scammy companies.I'm glad that none of the minor CS issues with my customers (such as late shipping, wrong product shipped, not answering my phone in time) got turned intro fraud accusations by major publications, because that would not only have destroyed my business, but my personal reputation and career.With great power comes great responsibility, and while Tuan may have had a very unpleasant cS experience, it seems very childish to take revenge by defaming the company and individual. In my opinion this is a clear case of defamation because Tuan's claims of *fraud* are completely unsubstantiated, yet the article has tags and a URL of "News macpadd qms fraud scam". If I were Mr. Free, I would be taking serious legal action against tomshardware.[/citation]


Apparently you haven't read all the details, posted clearly through the three articles, in this situation. Tuan contacted Mr. Free on October 30th to ask about a tracking number. Mr. Free then claimed to have shipped the product the day before, and after being contacted several times, finally surrendered a tracking number to Tuan. When Tuan entered this number into the Canadian Postal Service's web site, it showed that it was for something shipped almost a month before the order took place.

I will say this, you did say that in a small business situation, mistakes like that happen. It is entirely possible at that point that Mr. Free had given him the wrong number by mistake. But when Tuan contacted Mr. Free again, to tell him that the number provided wasn't the right one, Mr. Free became very rude with Tuan, threatening with legal action if he didn't cease and desist, claiming that Tuan was trying to extort him, and Mr. Free also offered a refund for the order, when all Tuan wanted in reality was a simple tracking number to verify his order had been shipped. Even in a small business situation, it shouldn't be that difficult to track down a simple shipping number, and even if it was, there would have been no reason to get angry, it wouldn't be hard to explain that he needed to find the number and would get back to Tuan when he had found it.

Mr. Free claims he had sent the ordered products, yet he failed to produce a valid tracking number. He offered a refund for the product, when none was asked for. He claims that Tuan was extorting him, yet all that was asked for was a valid tracking number.

In the general scope, even if Mr. Free had started out as a reputable retailer, he appears to have changed since you met him, or else he had put on a facade, in hopes of getting the word out about his marvelous product. I would deem it reasonable, though not proven, just my point of view, that a sales scam would work best if the scammer had a "reputable" business, one that always dealt with the customer kindly and fairly, one that always got the order there on time, one that always provided samples for reviews when asked, word would spread, and a good reputation would be known to most. Once a good business was build up, it wouldn't be that hard to bring in unsuspecting victims, who may have thought that they were a rare case there, and who didn't know they had been scammed.


In the short version, Mr. Free isn't acting like a reputable business owner, when he fails to provide a simple tracking number for an order claimed to be shipped. He may have started out as an ethical person, one who wanted to make a living honestly, but it's ether he's become so behind in his business that he can't keep up with it, or he's been running a scam. One or the other. And if he's just overwhelmed, then that means he needs to bring in help. But from this view, where all the facts are provided on Tuan's end, Mr. Free's situation doesn't look so good.
 
I wish to corect my above statement with this:

The tracking number was for an order shipped almost EIGHT months before.
 
[citation][nom]filmman03[/nom]HAHAHAHHAHHA TUAN LOOK AT HIS PDF HE POSTED! HAHAHAHAHHAHA, what an idiot!!http://macpadd.com/macpadd/Home_fi [...] rdware.pdf[/citation]

Lol. That PDF fails in multiple ways.

1. He says in the PDF that he shipped Tuan's order 30th, when he told Tuan that he had shipped it the 29th.

2. It mentions that the Macpadd has an antibacterial property from it's NICKEL CHROMIUM in it, yet the site states that the Macpadd is 100% aluminum. One can't be true.

3. The Custom's Form can't even be read in the part of who it's to, and thus could be to anyone.


And if I really wanted to look more, I'm sure I could find more ways this PDF is wrong, but I don't have the time right now.
 
[citation][nom]filmman03[/nom]HAHAHAHHAHHA TUAN LOOK AT HIS PDF HE POSTED! HAHAHAHAHHAHA, what an idiot!!http://macpadd.com/macpadd/Home_fi [...] rdware.pdf[/citation]
"MacPadd has sold over 8,000 customers"

I bet they have.
 
I trust in THG even if Tom isn't heading it anymore. Never lead me wrong before.

BTW, Tuan you might want to check the November 6th post.

And well every post seems to be filled with words but no real proof to those.

Hope this doesn't get too out of hand and he gets sued by Apple (as much as I dislike them) for copyright infringement.

Also, did anyone else notice how on the 3rd he posted a shizz load of "reviews" on the pad? No links, just words. Makes me wounder how many are true.
 
BTW Tuan, I worked for UPS a few years back. In their International department specifically. If he says there is not TRK## he is full of, you know what.

Every parcel, either shipped via UPS/FedEX/DHL/USPS has a TRK# when shipped international and the same goes for Canada Post. Its mainly for Customs which takes little to no time to clear US Canada parcels.

It would probably take about a week to get to you if that since most parcels across the US take 3-4 days.

He is still in the wrong for not trying to help at all in any way and he is doing personal attacks now where you are just stating facts. best of luck.
 
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they? 7:14And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 7:15Therefore are they before the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them. 7:16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike upon them, nor any heat: 7:17for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.

8:1And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 8:2And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets. 8:3And another angel came and stood over the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should add it unto the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 8:4And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel's hand. 8:5And the angel taketh the censer; and he filled it with the fire of the altar, and cast it upon the earth: and there followed thunders, and voices, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 8:6And the seven angels that had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 8:7And the first sounded, and there followed hail and fire, mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of the earth was burnt up, and the third part of the trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8:8And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 8:9and there died the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, even they that had life; and the third part of the ships was destroyed. 8:10And the third angel sounded, and there fell from heaven a great star, burning as a torch, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of the waters; 8:11and the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 8:12And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; that the third part of them should be darkened, and the day should not shine for the third part of it, and the night in like manner. 8:13And I saw, and I heard an eagle, flying in mid heaven, saying with a great voice, Woe, woe, woe, for them that dwell on the earth, by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, who are yet to sound.

9:1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss. 9:2And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 9:3And out of the smoke came forth locusts upon the earth; and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 9:4And it was said unto them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only such men as have not the seal of God on their foreheads. 9:5And it was given them that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when it striketh a man. 9:6And in those days men shall seek death, and shall in no wise find it; and they shall desire to die, and death fleeth from them. 9:7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared for war; and upon their heads as it were crowns like unto gold, and their faces were as men's faces. 9:8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as teeth of lions. 9:9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to war. 9:10And they have tails like unto scorpions, and stings; and in their tails is their power to hurt men five months. 9:11They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek tongue he hath the name Apollyon. 9:12The first Woe is past: behold, there come yet two Woes hereafter. 9:13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the horns of the golden altar which is before God, 9:14one saying to the sixth angel that had one trumpet, Loose the four angels that are bound at the great river Euphrates. 9:15And the four angels were loosed, that had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men. 9:16And the number of the armies of the horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand: I heard the number of them. 9:17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates as of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone: and the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceedeth fire and smoke and brimstone. 9:18By these three plagues was the third part of men killed, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone, which proceeded out of their mouths. 9:19For the power of the horses is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails are like unto serpents, and have heads; and with them they hurt. 9:20And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and the idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood; which can neither see, nor hear, nor walk: 9:21and they repented not of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

10:1And I saw another strong angel coming down out of heaven, arrayed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire; 10:2and he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left upon the earth; 10:3and he cried with a great voice, as a lion roareth: and when he cried, the seven thunders uttered their voices. 10:4And when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying, Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 10:5And the angel that I saw standing upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his right hand to heaven, 10:6and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created the heaven and the things that are therein, and the earth and the things that are therein, and the sea and the things that are therein, that there shall be delay no longer: 10:7but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then is finished they mystery of God, according to the good tidings which he declared to his servants the prophets. 10:8And the voice which I heard from heaven, I heard it again speaking with me, and saying, Go, take the book which is open in the hand of the angel that standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 10:9And I went unto the angel, saying unto him that he should give me the little book. And he saith unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but in thy mouth it shall be sweet as honey. 10:10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and when I had eaten it, my belly was made bitter. 10:11And they say unto me, Thou must prophesy again over many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.

11:1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and one said, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 11:2And the court which is without the temple leave without, and measure it not; for it hath been given unto the nations: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 11:3And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 11:4These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the Lord of the earth. 11:5And if any man desireth to hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth and devoureth their enemies; and if any man shall desire to hurt them, in this manner must he be killed. 11:6These have the power to shut the heaven, that it rain not during the days of their prophecy: and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they shall desire. 11:7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that cometh up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them. 11:8And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 11:9And from among the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations do men look upon their dead bodies three days and a half, and suffer not their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. 11:10And they that dwell on the earth rejoice over them, and make merry; and they shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwell on the earth. 11:11And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them. 11:12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they went up into heaven in the cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 11:13And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 11:14The second Woe is past: behold, the third Woe cometh quickly. 11:15And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said,

The kingdom of the world is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever.

11:16And the four and twenty elders, who sit before God on their thrones, fell upon their faces and worshipped God, 11:17saying,

We give thee thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who art and who wast; because thou hast taken thy great power, and didst reign. 11:18And the nations were wroth, and thy wrath came, and the time of the dead to be judged, and the time to give their reward to thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear thy name, the small and the great; and to destroy them that destroy the earth.

11:19And there was opened the temple of God that is in heaven; and there was seen in his temple the ark of his covenant; and there followed lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.

12:1And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars; 12:2and she was the child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered. 12:3And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads seven diadems. 12:4And his tail draweth the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon standeth before the woman that is about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child. 12:5And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne. 12:6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that there they may nourish her a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 12:7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels going forth to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels; 12:8And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. 12:9And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him. 12:10And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying,

Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night. 12:11And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death. 12:12Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.

12:13And when the dragon saw that he was cast down to the earth, he persecuted the woman that brought forth the man child. 12:14And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 12:15And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the woman water as a river, that he might cause her to be carried away by the stream. 12:16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 12:17And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus:

13:1and he stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns, and seven heads, and on his horns ten diadems, and upon his heads names of blasphemy. 13:2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority. 13:3And I saw one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast; 13:4and they worshipped the dragon, because he gave his authority unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him? 13:5and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and there was given to him authority to continue forty and two months. 13:6And he opened his mouth for blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, even them that dwell in the heaven. 13:7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 13:8And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain. 13:9If any man hath an ear, let him hear. 13:10If any man is for captivity, into captivity he goeth: if any man shall kill with the sword, with the sword must he be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 13:11And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 13:12And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed. 13:13And he doeth great signs, that he should even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men. 13:14And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who hath the stroke of the sword and lived. 13:15And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 13:16And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 13:17and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. 13:18Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.

14:1And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads. 14:2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and the voice which I heard was as the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 14:3and they sing as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders: and no man could learn the song save the hundred and forty and four thousand, even they that had been purchased out of the earth. 14:4These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they that follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, to be the firstfruits unto God and unto the Lamb. 14:5And in their mouth was found no lie: they are without blemish. 14:6And I saw another angel flying in mid heaven, having eternal good tidings to proclaim unto them that dwell on the earth, and unto every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 14:7and he saith with a great voice, Fear God, and give him glory; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters. 14:8And another, a second angel, followed, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, that hath made all the nations to drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 14:9And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 14:10he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 14:11and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name. 14:12Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 14:13And I heard the voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them. 14:14And I saw, and behold, a white cloud; and on the cloud I saw one sitting like unto a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand sharp sickle. 14:15And another angel came out from the temple, crying with a great voice to him that sat on the cloud, Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 14:16And he that sat on the cloud cast his sickle upon the earth; and the earth was reaped. 14:17Another angel came out from the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 14:18And another angel came out from the altar, he that hath power over fire; and he called with a great voice to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Send forth thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 14:19And the angel cast his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vintage of the earth, and cast it into the winepress, the great winepress, of the wrath of God. 14:20And the winepress are trodden without the city, and there came out blood from the winepress, even unto the bridles of the horses, as far as a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 
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