There seems to be an awful lot of anger in this thread.
Is it because Intel aren't living up to their own hype, or because they might not be living up to AMD's Threadripper threat?
These are complex waters to navigate and everyone has valid points and questions according to how they use their own system.
From what I can glean from this thread is that.
i9-7900X needs water cooling as a bare minimum.
i9-7900X with stock clocks and water cooling will use considerably more than the TDP under a stress test (occt, prime95, burn-in X).
i7-7820X is 20W less than the 10 core, but who knows how that fares in actual testing.
I currently have an i7-4930K, one of the few newish models with solder, disabled HT for games.
Not owned an AMD since Athlon 800, the P4 3.2HT after that was so much better.
Personally I was interested in the i7-7820X, with a Gigabyte gaming 7 or 9 mobo (they don't seem to have any professional looking ones anymore
i7-7700K wouldn't be such a bad thing. High clocks for games, but not much in the way of multitasking with HT disabled (game core affinity stuff) and lack of ram slots/enhanced options.
The Ryzen, 8 physical cores is all I should ever need, but sadly not so great in games.
Alternatively, I could save lots of money and just try to OC the 4930K + Corsair h110i, increase vCore I guess?
The X79-UD4 mobo is getting a little old, still works great, but I feel it's struggling to keep up 2 GFX cards and a 144Hz screen.
First world problems, I know, but every time I get a new comp every few years, it does seem a bit quicker, less latency like..
Conclusions & Predictions.
Intel were blindsided by AMD, so they chopped down a Xeon, went cheap on the cooling and don't know if Mesh is already on Xeon, but did that too.
This resulted in a product that goes well if you can keep its thermals under control and don't do any heavy benchmarking.
The use of thermal paste on top-end models, and lets call an 8core consumer model top end for Intel, is disturbing and depressing, especially when you look at the price tag $859 in OZ.
And don't forget the reduced 28 lane PCI-E bus.
i9-12core+ will likely have solder since the results show that even with 10 cores, cooling is iffy.
AMD's Threadripper should run cooler regardless given the bigger surface area, even if they go stingy and use TIM and be cheaper while doing it, at the cost of a small percentage differential.
It's a good day when you can say you have had enough of Intels price gouging and now sub-standard solution in favour AMD who have been trying for years and now actually look like the better product.
I might try overclocking in the meantime and wait for the chips to fall where they may from the blue and the red team, but to be honest, just like the last Intel generation (7700K aside), this one doesn't seem to offer much but pain for 2 extra cores (even the X299 chipset seems outdated).