The State Of The Personal Computer

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[citation][nom]anonymous.[/nom]Ubuntu even offers to install non opensource drivers to make wireless and graphic cards work better.[/citation]Wish it did that for me, I got sick of hearing my video card fan at 100% after an hour and uninstalled Ubuntu.

[citation][nom]anonymous.[/nom]Umm I think a recent hacking convention reveled you could hack a mac in 30 minutes. The linux machine lasted about 2 days.[/citation]
They found an exploit in Safari which I'd assume no longer exists.
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]Wish it did that for me, I got sick of hearing my video card fan at 100% after an hour and uninstalled Ubuntu.[/citation]
Which version? I had some issues with 8.04, and 8.10 fixed all of those. In fact, all I had to do was open a menu and turn on the restricted drivers.

[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]They found an exploit in Safari which I'd assume no longer exists.[/citation]
So? That doesn't fix any of the people now infected with something nasty. And an OS exploit could be solved with an update.
 
[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]Which version? I had some issues with 8.04, and 8.10 fixed all of those. In fact, all I had to do was open a menu and turn on the restricted drivers.[/citation]
I'm not certain which version, but I assume 8.04 though since it was early this year that I tried it. Turning on restricted drivers was easy, but apparently I didn't need any :sarcastic: Then when I tried to manually get the package it would half-install and then not allow me to download any more.

[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]So? That doesn't fix any of the people now infected with something nasty. And an OS exploit could be solved with an update.[/citation]
But Macs can't get viruses! :lol:
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]I'm not certain which version, but I assume 8.04 though since it was early this year that I tried it. Turning on restricted drivers was easy, but apparently I didn't need any Then when I tried to manually get the package it would half-install and then not allow me to download any more.[/citation]

Well 8.04 was released in late April. So you could have been using 7.10. I was hugely surprised by the ease of use additions (Ubuntu already is extremely easy to use).

[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]But Macs can't get viruses![/citation]
Exactly, all the problems with the OS are because of the design.
 
[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]Well 8.04 was released in late April. So you could have been using 7.10. I was hugely surprised by the ease of use additions (Ubuntu already is extremely easy to use).[/citation]
No it was definitely Hardy Heron, so probably 8.04.
 
[citation][nom]anonymous.[/nom]Umm I think a recent hacking convention reveled you could hack a mac in 30 minutes. The linux machine lasted about 2 days.[/citation]

pwn2own. See page 4, third post for a description of the specifics.
 
It's nice to compare Windows, Mac, and Linux, but what about PC vs. non-PC devices. I would like to see an article on the state of the computer vs. the set-top-box. Why haven't HTPCs become more attractive?
 
in my book windows xp is still number 1. I know support will eventually dry up but I don't see why to switch to open ource or vistaIn my book windows xp is still # 1. I know support will eventually dry up but I don't see why to switch to open source or vista. (and I will die before I pay for Steve Jobs' stock options) I've got a descent PC (9600GT 4gb ram e5200 at 3.5ghz etc.) and it gets the job done in Crysis and Far Cry 2 (dx9 of course) along with every day web browsing and the occasional business application. I have had no problems with xp since I threw my Presario in the trash last christmas. I have had no security trouble other than a couple of easily killable bouts of adware. If you don't like that xp isn't pretty ante up $20 or less and get stardock's windows blinds. Support will be there for a bit and as far as I'm concerned Vista and windows 7 will be there when xp is no longer viable. Thanks for the article though.
 
Sir maybe you have just used an old Linux Distro version. You said that Mac is more secured than Linux and is Limited. In Linux there is this called SELinux which is very secured and used even by Government offices and Military purposes and can be also used for Desktops. And Linux is not limited to Firefox when it comes to browsing and Actually it has more browser than MAC and Windows It also has Internet Explorer. Hardware Compatibility is not a problem when it comes to Printer, scanner and Camera. In Ubuntu 8.04 you dont even need to install driver manually just plug it and give it some seconds and ubuntu will inform you that the device is ready.
In the looks maybe its just the taste but I found gnome paired with Compiz is very beautiful plus They are using a more updated X-server the X11R7.4.
 
I just can't argue with the educated writers here. They've all made my point that Windows would be secure, but due to their sheer market size, they get exploited.

With Apple trying to become mainstream, just watch its list of viruses grow exponentially.
 
I have no idea where you people are getting this rediculus notion that Windows Os is unstable / insecure. Scuse the bad grammer and such i cant see my typing its off screen. In all my years (about 5) of surfing the intertubes i have never gotten a serious virus ton my windows that i couldnt clear in within a day. Plus its the freeedom of 3rd party software that windows provides that ... its the 3rd partys software's fault not windows. least we dont have to be baby sat like .. mac. Also, Also the price of a good internet security program is far less then the added cost of buying a cloned mac. Why must mac state that they are better twhen the majority of them are run dual boot and run as windows for the majority of the time. Sorry for the mistakes. I=) i have no hate against the other os but mac keeps... the macs at my school keep trying to "convert me" and .. idk =D sorry bye.
 
"Just last month, you could get a complete Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 with 3 GB of RAM, a 500 GB hard disk, and Windows Vista Premium from the Dell Outlet for under $400."

I call BS.
 
what you just did it's simply incorrect. You can't compare apples and grapes. You just compared PC (an architecture) with mac (another architecture, in this case with a "fix" OS) and a software app, namely a OS such as Linux. You can't do that. It simply wrong. How do you explain then that I have a PC running Linux and Windows and, I have also a Mac, running OS X? You can't just assume that everyone reading this article knows that you wanted to compare market share between 3 OS rather than between architectures or software apps.
 
^Wow, thanks for stating something that has been stated atleast 10 times already in this thread. You must have to trade blows with parrots just to find someone that matches your wit.
 
So where is the technical article? I read this whole thing and all I saw was is the same old trademark jargon that is passed of as technical. GNU does not and will not compete in that space and that is why I use it. That is why most who use it continue to use it.
 
Thanks for an outstanding article. I also use all three platforms, and you have described the best and worst of each to a tee. Of course, you article now comes with 8 pages of fanboy rants why Windows/OSX/Linux stinks, and only Windows/OSX/Linux is worth using. I just think how lucky we all are to have such choices available.
 
"you want a computer that just works" - umm i want a computer that does what I want it to do because I tell it to, not a computer that does things that it thinks i want it to do, this tends to become everything in a computer that I DONT want.

Each OS has its place and some have way more weaknesses than others. The problem with a lot of the "pc" vs "mac" (like one person who I think i would actually mind talking to about computers pointed out, these are all PCs. imagine that...) vs linux arguments are brought on by the low end users who have such a limited knowledge and experience about computers. The points they make are so overstated and under comprehended. If you want to get a real opinion and get some real factual meaningful advice, one that is actually worth listening to, you go ask an IT veteran who has supported each OS for many years (and no, not even a developer). People sure like to shoot air up everyone's pants and it works a lot of the time. I wish people would just buy their cute little computers with their cute little operating systems and just leave the measuring tapes in the drawers and their drawers on.... just get what works for you! and if you insist on someone telling you what is better, be sure to actually get a good opinion from someone who has actually had experience fixing with them all! (geeksquad doesn't count)
 
Wait a minuite? Did this guy just wrote:
[ It’s just as stable as Linux and offers the same or even better out-of-the-box security ].
Mac OS X is as secure as Linux or even better!!Did he even heard of
"PWN To OWN" hacking contest,if not,he should checkout the following links
to see how secure Mac OS X is!!

Note:the following articles were 7 months prior to this one.

http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article/210489/mac_easiest_hack_says_10_000_winner

http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article/210552/vista_breached_linux_unbeaten_hacking_contest
 
Alan Dang, you're really an idiot if you say that by using linux, you're stuck with Firefox. Opera runs fine, too. Then there are console browsers, other minor browsers, some based on webkit. And don't tell me Chrome is an alternative. It BARELY works. Actually linux is getting pretty good at handling everyday tasks: browsing the web, writing a document and printing it, listening to music, watching movies. All it takes is some tweaking. Of course major software players don't want to leave the Windows playground. But for daily tasks, linux will do.
 
Mac 8.23% is US marketshare, and not worldwide. Apple doesn´t even sell that much computers to have more than 4% of worldwide marketshare.
 
1) Windows gets attacked not just because it is widely used but because it has so many easy exploits. It is fundamentally insecure. Vista's fix was to make it annoying as well. Macs and Linux are fundamentally more secure because they don't automatically run things the way Windows does and because you're not always running with Admin privileges. If you want, you can even install military grade security on Linux (see SELinux or AppArmor).

2) Linux actualy supports more and newer hardware than Windows and has for some time. Moreover, it supports it in both 32 and 64 bit versions. The reason Windows appears to support more hardware is that, because it comes pre-installed, no vendor is going to build a system around hardware that Windows doesn't support. Similarly, no vendor is going to market an add-on device without releasing a Windows driver. However, if you want, for example, to run Vista, or even XP, 64 bit on a computer, you may find that it doesn't run properly. Or that new (or old) piece of hardware may only have a 32 bit driver (although that is slowly changing). With Linux, you are assured that you've got the latest drivers available. Even NVidia releases up to date drivers for Linux. And Linux 64 bit supports far more hardware than Vista 32 bit.

3) Check out the games, benchmarks, etc.. How often are they run on Vista 32 bit? There's a lot of software available that demands a 32 bit OS and won't run on Vista 64 bit. All my Linux software is native 64 bit.

4) I've got two computers running XP at home. They are both riddled with bugs because it's been a couple of years since I did a re-install from scratch. I've been avoiding it because it means digging out the old install disks or manuals to get the various activation keys. In some cases, the bug-fix patches are no longer even available. Plus, it takes forever to do. You can be looking at a full day slaving over the computer to get everything installed again. With Linux, I can do a complete install of everything over the Internet in about an hour.

5) If you want looks, install a Linux distribution that makes "pretty" a feature. You have choices. Or you can customise you favourite distro with a Vista or OS/X look.

With Linux I can run everything I want peacefully, securely and quickly. Now I'm not a gamer, but there are lots of games that run on Linux even if some are Windows versions and may require Cedega or Crossover Office. Some even run better on Linux than on that other platform.

It used to be people automatically went out and bought a Windows PC. That's what the stores sold. Now lots of people are buying Macs instead. As more retailers and online vendors start selling Linux PCs, you'll see its market share increase.

Now of course, I also have to question the marketshare statistics. How were they derived? The site doesn't seem to tell. However, I will note that they report the following annual change statistics:
Windows: -3.2%
Mac: +24.8%
Linux: +32.4%

There is little doubt that Microsoft's hegemony on the desktop is being challenged. And it is for good reason.
 
Pretty good write-up. Glad to see that someone actually remembers SGI and it's IRIX operating system. SGI's IRIX OS is amazing. I had an old R4400 which is/was snappier than both the latest Mac and PCs. I had one on doing audio/video jobs and also surfing. I had my SGI on for 416 days straight without a single re-start, hiccup, slow-down... Unfortunately at a price tag of $8K-25K for a "simple" SGI system the end was inevitable.
 
I've been reading so much for so many years about an MS hegemony that would be close to extinction, I've even believed it for many years !
But I've been working in IT for ten years and I know now the many reasons why MS won't fall (to my great disappointment I must admit).
They always manage to seduce and care for the needs of the kinds of people that are key to their business : developers, IT managers and CEOs.

What strikes me is that MS has always pursued a policy of "adding new layers of code to fix the flaws of the underlying layers" ... even claiming the patched software will run smoother ... and still they find people to believe in this crap.
And this policy works for hardware business too because new layer after new layer, you finally need faster hardware !

Well, to make it short, I'd say that MS makes money on some people's laziness, ignorance, greed or stupidity and they have developed all the techniques to remarkably make their ecosystem grow up !

As for the endless debate on Windows bugs and security flaws, my opinion is it has nothing to do with the size of MS users base : it's MS own greed that's got it trapped. They want to be first in class on every IT product in the huge catalog they market ; as a consequence, they have to face so many competitors that they must release faster and faster each time.
About Windows typically, the only way they've found to make a buzz on every new release is an ever growing features list .... it wouldn't be sexy enough just to say "we have fixed and optimized all technologies introduced with the last release", but "we've bundled in a whole bunch of new technologies" sounds much better to clients and share-holders' ears, the fact that only a few percent of them are usable or simply useful is of no interest !
Anyway, the main problem is that, in an effort to tie to Windows anyone interested in their technologies, any new "ground breaking" technology is always intrinsically tied to the heart of the OS.
But, years passing and features list growing, the OS has become so bloated that they can no longer test or predict all possible erratic interactions between components before release to market, hence the least efficiency of Windows compared to any other OS on the same hardware and the many bugs and security flaws for which end-users are actually the final testers.
MS doesn't talk about it of course but the mess caused by new components aggregating over the years is such that they can't even delimit a set of main components that could be considered as the kernel of the OS.

They've finally decided to do something about this, but only a few months ago (http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/Mark-Russinovich-Inside-Windows-7/)!


But, to get back to the subject of the article, I'd say nowadays the OS is no more the center of the battle. Many OSes have proved that they can offer viable alternatives and open the choice for customers. The better OS should just be the one that works best for you, but MS (again) has made sure that it's not possible.
Although less visible, the core of the fight has been the document formats battle for years now.

Q: what's the main cause of a company chosing to pay for MS Office licenses when it could install say Open Office and save the money to invest on fab machines or R&D ?
A: they need to exchange electronic documents with their clients and vendors, so they chose the mainstream office tools because they think it minimizes the chances of compatibility problems.

MS has been fighting for years to get a hold on all main document formats, information exchange formats and web content :
- they've used (and are still using) their dev tools and their IIS and IE deployed base to try to lock internet technologies and websites to IE-only compatibility (they've even tried to appropriate Java by making their own implementation in former Visual Java, no doubt that Sun would have lost its baby)
- after the many changes (that are still going on) in Word/Excel/PowerPoint formats to lose the competition, they're now trying to influence ISO organization to adopt their implementation of XML office documents as the new standard
- fortunately for us, a few months ago, when Vista was about to be publicly released, they abandoned the idea of using Windows monopoly once again to raise a new image format as their de facto replacement standard for JPEG
- they've even tried to enforce their own vision of a TCP/IP stack back in the 90's (You want our new Exchange server ? ... well you'll have to be equipped with DNS/routers/directory servers/etc that are "MS TCP/IP"-compatible !)

The key to MS growth is their using of their monopoly on the end-user's OS to enforce de facto "standards" bottom-up from PCs to servers, then to whole companies IT infrastructures, then to whole internet. They almost never use open standards, no matter how robust, widely used or field-proof they are, they always come up with their own implementation (often poorly engineered or a disguised copy).
The key to destroy this monopoly, open the market to other vendors and avoid any other monopoly of this kind is to enforce open standards for documents, web content and information exchange via international organizations.

Without IE and MS Office hegemony, there would be no MS monopoly on PC's OS and we wouldn't be having this conversation !

an XP/W2K/W2K3/Solaris/Linux user.
 
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