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I think that it is possible that he is, but that is for another thread.
P.S. Would you think a thread like this for Northbridge's would be good? I think I would be able to get it done, just the fact of whether or not it is necessary, there really aren't a huge variety of chipsets compared to the variety of CPU's. And you can't really choose your chipset like you can choose your CPU.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
Well, since VIA on AMD is pretty dead, we had Uli, Nvidia, and ATI. Now Uli is going away, so on the AMD side it is pretty simple, just the different ATI and Nvidia chipsets.

The Intel side maybe could use a thread like this, since there are a few more chipsets.
 
dude this is like a THG cpu guide but only in the forums. but i see your point. i also see opportunity for bias and personal opinions showing up a bit much in this thing. When THG do reviews, guides and stuff they make sure they don't take sides with any particular product, making sure there is no room for tainting their guides and reviews with biased opinions.
 
dude this is like a THG cpu guide but only in the forums. but i see your point. i also see opportunity for bias and personal opinions showing up a bit much in this thing. When THG do reviews, guides and stuff they make sure they don't take sides with any particular product, making sure there is no room for tainting their guides and reviews with biased opinions.

In my experience, that is a little optimistic. I have seen a few articles at THG that lean one way or the other, though nothing more than anywhere else.
 
"fanboy"? no no. i like intels, but i wouldn't go that far for them. i knew i'd posted a few anti amd comments too but i'd had a few to drink then too
 
P.S. Would you think a thread like this for Northbridge's would be good? I think I would be able to get it done, just the fact of whether or not it is necessary, there really aren't a huge variety of chipsets compared to the variety of CPU's. And you can't really choose your chipset like you can choose your CPU.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
mike sorry for not responding sooner but i think a thread like this would be good too for northbridges if you can please make one 😀 ok thx
 
Because I have the 3200+ and the 3700+ and I can tell you the 3200+ is better being that it's over $60 cheaper and barely less performance.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

I am glad I found this post because this was the exact question I had. I am a big fan of best price for the power and have no intention of spending 1k on my processor.

Anyway, when I looked at the CPU charts over at Tom's it appears as though the 3700+ is far superior and $60 was not terribly bad for that increase. Obviously it's faster, but do you still stick with your opinion because it's nearly impossible to tell a difference when it comes to actually playing a game?
 
Comparing the 3200+ and 3700+ in gaming performance, with the same video card, the 3700+ is about 1-2 frames more, if that. I use the 3700+ as my main system because I like 1MB L2 Cache (I've come to notice 512KB performs quicker in games than 1MB, but that's for another thread) but in Gaming, I can say save the $60 and use it to get a 7800GTX instead of a 3700+ and a 7800GT (for an example).

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
That chip should overclock very well, but a friend of mine upgraded to a 955EE from his Pentium 4 670 and is still able to hit 5GHz. That 65nm process is very nice in this situation.
 
To make for some interesting conversation:

I read, a little while ago, on a website stating AMD's goal for the K10's, was to reach a clock speed of 10GHz...remind anybody of Intel's first claims? This should be interesting.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
To make for some interesting conversation:

I read, a little while ago, on a website stating AMD's goal for the K10's, was to reach a clock speed of 10GHz...remind anybody of Intel's first claims? This should be interesting.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
Sounds interesting...and impossible. :)
 
Some things I want to note before I start,
1) This is not to start a flame war or a Fanboy thread, so don't turn it into that please.
2) I want the moderators to make this sticky

The purpose of this is to enlighten newbies and/or enthusiasts as to get the best CPU for the money, and to put a stop to all the "What CPU should I get?" threads. If you have anything you wish to add to this, PM me or post it here and I will edit it, I welcome any and all help. I want this to be very informational w/o getting into "AMD sux!" or "Intel Sux!" posts. I will try to be as Un-Biased as possible and I will try not to get extremely technical as newbies to computers will be the ones I am aiming to, so do not criticize me because I do not say how the electron moves in the CPU.

AMD V. Intel Pentium 4 Processors:

The Final Word

Author : Chris Connolly Date : 7/13/2005 (SIX MONTHS LATER)

If you couldn’t tell by the last twelve pages of analysis and benchmarks, we really like the Athlon64 X2. The Athlon64 X2 is indeed, as the title implies, dual-core processing implemented correctly. The X2 gives significantly better performance compared to its single core brethren, gives excellent performance with single-threaded applications, all while consuming roughly as much power / creating as much heat as a single core Athlon64. After seeing the Athlon64 X2’s in action, the inadequacies of Intel’s Pentium-D and Pentium Extreme Edition are much more visible.
Performance wise, we are confident in saying that the Athlon64 X2 4800+ is the fastest overall processor on the market today. The vast majority of multi-threaded applications showed the 4800+ at the top of the benchmark charts, and it only falls behind to the Athlon64 FX series in gaming. Even in games, the 4800+ chip is only a small amount behind the FX. The chip is far more balanced compared to the Intel’s dual-core Pentium-D/EE processors when handling single threaded applications. However, while the 4800+ rules the charts, one should consider that most of our applications did not show much benefit from the 4800+’s 1MB of cache (per core) compared to the 4600+ 512 kB of cache (per core). In the majority of applications, the 4600+ (which is quite a bit less expensive) performs nearly identically to the top of the line 4800+ model.

With this much computing power, it’s amazing to witness how little power these chips consume while running. They consume about 33% less power compared to Intel’s dual core lineup while at the same time delivering better performance most of the time. In addition, the chips are far easier to cool, which will lead to lower noise (more enjoyable) computing environments. AMD is bundling a very good retail cooler with these chips which keeps the chips nice and cool while staying near silent. AMD’s 90nm SOI manufacturing process is producing some amazing products – the engineering teams behind these chips should be proud of their accomplishments.

AMD knows they have a phenomenal chip on their hands, and unfortunately, they are charging out the nose for them. Even the “cheapest” Athlon64 X2 processors are well over $600 ranging in upwards to $1200 for the top of the line models. In addition, chip supplies have been low, so prices are staying high even though these chips have been out for a few weeks. ( Now SIX MONTHS LATER the “cheapest” Athlon64 X2 processors are ONLY $300 still ranging in upwards to $1200 for the top of the line models.) In addition, chip supplies have been low, so prices are staying high even though these chips have been out for a few weeks. While the Athlon64 X2 is a steal in comparison to a dual Opteron processor configuration, it may be tough to convince a casual buyer that AMD’s chips are better compared to Intel’s Pentium-D lineup which runs at higher clock speeds and is about half as expensive. Believe me, the Athlon64 X2 is a far better way to go for a dual-core workstation/server/game rig. Still, if you’re looking for a true budget dual-core solution, Intel’s Pentium-D reaches price points the X2 cannot touch at this time. Rumors have abounded that AMD will release a lower clocked X2 model to address these needs, but we have not seen any concrete evidence of such a processor yet.

Sorry Intel, you’ve been beat once again.


Dual Core Done Right- AMD’s Athlon64 X2 Processors: FINAL ASSESSMENT

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I know you recommended the 9xx series because they run cooler, but the power and temperature difference isn't that large right now because EIST support in the 9xx series is disabled preventing downclocking when idle.

This is true but you have to consider that 830 has 130W TDP while both 920 and 930 have 95W TDP. IMO it is more important that you have lower temperatures under heavy load than when your CPU is idle. My temps are 40°C in idle and 60°C at full load with 930 chip while box cooler is running at 1,000 RPM.

For anyone who is not after top models from Intel (940 and above) non-working EIST/C1E doesn't make any difference so they can safely get this revision. Even those who will go after those faster chips with higher TDP will most probably disable those powersaving features if they are into overclocking. Those who care about powersaving should wait for new revision of 9x0 which is due soon (I believe in March) -- they can find S-Spec numbers of the new core steppings in Intel specification update (a.k.a. errata docs).

Another reason why I wouldn't recommend 8x0 series is that they have half the L2 cache 9x0 has, and they don't have Vanderpool Technology (a.k.a. virtualization).

As far as chipsets go, I wasn't suggesting detailed guide with features, etc. What you need is recommendation -- which chipset goes best with recommended CPUs from both vendors.

For example:
Pentium 930 / performance = 955, nForce4 / mainstream = 945 / budget = 915