Three Sub-$500 AMD Brazos-Based Notebooks Rounded Up

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The author is correct, though; AMD did really set Brazos up for a fall by positioning it as a competitor to Pentium-based systems. Celeron is its limit due to the weaker Bobcat cores mixed with a decent GPU.
 
pelov wrote :

....The future llano APUs will be desktop/laptop APUs and bulldozers are server/high end desktop CPUs

to clarify, Llano is an APU core, bulldozer is a CPU module, Trinity, which will superseded Llano will Utilize bulldozer modules, there is a misconception that because bulldozer's architecture "appears" to be more suited for server loads due to it's high core count and shared FPU scheduler, whether this is true or not doesn't change the fact that AMD still has bulldozer penned in for the desktop and laptop
 
should have had a couple similarly priced intel chips (an intel/ion?, low end c2d/dual core pent) for comparison.

i understand that wasn't the target of this article, but would have been a nice reference.
 
Wow lets do some justice here guys! What did you do hire Simmon from American idol? You know he is gone from there now, guess no one wants doom and gloom in such a negative way huh?

Ok readers, the early APU's were never slated towards gamers first off! And I believe they are supposed to be between a netbook and a laptop it just so happens that it can play some light gaming like many other similar units albeit low res. bottom line question is does it do surfing and play back at a high res. at the same time with no glitches and light office work as well? The answer is hell yes!

My beef with TH: Your question should be before writing a article did it do what they said it would do? And are they cheaper than Intels similar units that claim the same thing as stated above! Not the flippin GAMES performance!

Write your article off the hardware manufactures claims not what a consumer wants it to do with it, they did not design it! Did AMD say, these units will be a gamers delight? um....no!

Now the functionality or the appearance of a unit is not AMD's, Intels, ARM etc. fault so why start off an article with appearance? At times in some of your article's TH you directed your disapproval of the design towards the manufacture of the unit, I think your format should change. Are you not a tech/hardware site first? I agree design is important but...please it is like the job interview first impressions thing and man it was hard to read through all the negative remarks on appearance alone! Personally surface, color, texture and sparkle is for a dog and pony show in my own opinion that blind sides the true core value of anything beauty is only skin deep.

How about you do a split review on all units starting with what is inside first than rip the manufacture on THERE design and cost? This will not give the tech inside a black eye unless it needs it !!!

Sorry for the rant just gets under my skin when things get buried under a dog and pony show and misconceived as either a bad thing or good thing I guess I'm asking for unbiased and fair reviews with true blame pointed in the right direction. Not much to ask for is it.
 
The battery life is disappointing across the board. I expected at least 6 hours for machines that are supposed to be portable.
 
[citation][nom]poppasmurf[/nom]Did AMD say, these units will be a gamers delight? um....no![/citation]

AMD have positioned Zacate laptops as mobile Pentium competitors. It's likely they meant the GMA and HD Graphics models and not discrete offerings which make up the minority of Pentium laptops. However, there are relatively cheap Pentium laptops with discrete graphics that would be more than a match for a Brazos machine with the exception of power usage, so was it truly correct to position Brazos as such?
 
[citation][nom]poppasmurf[/nom]Wow lets do some justice here guys! What did you do hire Simmon from American idol? You know he is gone from there now, guess no one wants doom and gloom in such a negative way huh?Ok readers, the early APU's were never slated towards gamers first off! And I believe they are supposed to be between a netbook and a laptop it just so happens that it can play some light gaming like many other similar units albeit low res. bottom line question is does it do surfing and play back at a high res. at the same time with no glitches and light office work as well? The answer is hell yes!My beef with TH: Your question should be before writing a article did it do what they said it would do? And are they cheaper than Intels similar units that claim the same thing as stated above! Not the flippin GAMES performance! Write your article off the hardware manufactures claims not what a consumer wants it to do with it, they did not design it! Did AMD say, these units will be a gamers delight? um....no!Now the functionality or the appearance of a unit is not AMD's, Intels, ARM etc. fault so why start off an article with appearance? At times in some of your article's TH you directed your disapproval of the design towards the manufacture of the unit, I think your format should change. Are you not a tech/hardware site first? I agree design is important but...please it is like the job interview first impressions thing and man it was hard to read through all the negative remarks on appearance alone! Personally surface, color, texture and sparkle is for a dog and pony show in my own opinion that blind sides the true core value of anything beauty is only skin deep. How about you do a split review on all units starting with what is inside first than rip the manufacture on THERE design and cost? This will not give the tech inside a black eye unless it needs it !!!Sorry for the rant just gets under my skin when things get buried under a dog and pony show and misconceived as either a bad thing or good thing I guess I'm asking for unbiased and fair reviews with true blame pointed in the right direction. Not much to ask for is it.[/citation]

My name is Andrew. At least that's what my mother tells me. No Simon here. :)

In any case, I believe this is a blame that cuts 50-50. I can't fault AMD for poor notebook designs. However, I can fault the company for poor marketing. That's part of what went wrong here. Second of all, the fact that Brazos is used in 15.6" full-sized notebook is partly AMD's fault when they tell OEMs "oh yeah your customers will love this."

I don't think that unfair to AMD or the OEM. Second appearance, feel, uniformity, all these things are important for a notebook. I never fault any of the notebooks here for those points alone. The idea that anyone buys a notebook solely on performance is kind of silly. Remember the Hypersonics? My god some of those were poorly constructed. Performance good. Notebook not so good.

I rip on both AMD and OEMs because its ultimately the fault of both. When you sell a chip to an OEM, you force them to have a price baseline. It's not different than if Intel had sold Atom to OEMs for 300 a piece and customers the had to pay 600 for a netbook. You can bet I would be the first to light a torch!
 

Different models. Different Skus. Different CPUs. nuff said!
 


Personally, I like the 1215B more than the dm1z. It has a much better color profile. The white point is closer to 65k. I also like the construction a bit more.
 
I think the system does something very important. For sub-$500, you get a laptop that can play 3D games. Thats something that really has not been done until AMD released the 780G. With Brazos, we have slightly more modern games at lower power consumption.
However, I think these 3 implementations are rather weak links. Once again its the Taiwanese who got the concept of how to implement such a processor. ACER, ASUS, and MSI seems to have gotten the right idea on market and pricing.
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked/6

It offers better battery life than an i3 + graphics. better graphics than sandy bridge graphics but worse CPU performance. Better than an atom in battery life and GPU performance and would cost less than a comparable atom/ion combo. Basically better GPU performance than anything other than a discrete graphics card that'll soak up a lot of power. If I want something that i'll lug around for the entire day that I can use for 6-8 hours before charging, on and off of idle, doing web browsing, watching videos and the occasional game, this is *the perfect product.*

Most people with laptops would be better off with better GPU performance and better battery life rather than a big and mighty CPU that they won't use. AMD delivered.
 


Oh, you're going to link to my friend Anand? (Yes, he's a personal friend) You know you could at least link to Chris' article too. 😛

And I haven't seen the 1215N more expensive than the 1215B. It's about the same price.

I think that falchard hit the nail on the head. ACER, ASUS, and MSI got it right. These three are rather weak systems.
 
[citation][nom]acku[/nom]I think that falchard hit the nail on the head. ACER, ASUS, and MSI got it right. These three are rather weak systems.[/citation]

Indeed. I linked it mainly because it said went into a bit more detail and mimicked what was said here:
The end product ultimately depends on how the manufacturers decide to sell it. MSI/Giga/Asus/asrock and more have already put out their mini-ITX all-in-one motherboards for systems and HTPCs, but their netbook offerings based on that same product have yet to hit the market in full force. A crisp asus/msi screen and build quality coupled with the e-350 is the best you can get as far as netbooks go.
 


I can appreciate that. I'm not too hot on recommending a C-30 though. And even though the E-350 sold like hot cakes on mini-ITX, it's harder to sell with netbooks. A E-350 netbook runs like $399 to $450. A N450 netbook runs like $299. So AMD does better performance, the price gap is what I'm not too happy about. I'd still like the price to drop if AMD wants to give Intel a sound thumping. The price gap is ultimately the responsibility of AMD. If they want vendors to sell cheaper, it needs to sell to OEM builders cheaper.
 
Yea, the price is what's holding me back as well. Spending ~$400-500 on a netbook is what I'm iffy about. That's why I'm likely to hold out for about a month and see just what happens with regards to the pricing. The Acer is available for cheap (~300-350), which makes me believe that it may not be AMD and rather these other manufacturers trying to milk fusion for all it's worth.

Yea, the lower-end fusion chips simply aren't worth it. I think AMD will likely be producing more chips on both sides of the spectrum to hopefully be able to provide for tablets/phones (which is what Intel had in mind with the atom, essentially) and the other end will slowly fill in the gaps, a la llano, all the way to trinity with bulldozer cores.
 
Im starting to get really sick of AMD's 2nd place is good enough attitude. They are not even hitting the market with a wow factor in pricing.

I dont care if you overclock your CPU's to run at 150+ watt, just hurry up and put the heat on Intel to bring the 'upper end' of CPU's down.
 


Honestly, I don't think AMD has a "good enough attitude." I believe the marketing is quite competitive. I just wish the pricing was too.
 
In Canada, I have seen some E-350 based laptops with 640GB HDD/6GB DDR3 go on sale this week for as little as $399.99, which is quite good for a laptop priced at this. As far as I know we haven't seen any PhenomII X3 based laptops for $399.99 as it is said in the conclusion, though this may be simply the fact that they haven't brought those laptops here.

With that said, the HP dv1 especially, looks really attractive. I used to desire mobility and lightweight above everything else so this would've been just what I needed.
 


$399.99 CAD? I see those 15.6" Phenom IIs all the time for $399.99 USD. It's at least a monthly special on Best Buy.com. Right now it's showing $429.99 USD

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lenovo+-+IdeaPad+Laptop+/+AMD+Phenom%26%23153%3B+II+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+3GB+Memory+/+320GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/2171094.p?id=1218312457552&skuId=2171094

Those 15.6" P340 laptops I see every week for $399.99 USD.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+Laptop+/+AMD+Athlon%26%23153%3B+II+Processor+/+14%22+Display+/+3GB+Memory+/+320GB+Hard+Drive+-+Biscotti/1630039.p?id=1218274970383&skuId=1630039
 


When its in the same form factor I compare. One 15.6" notebook to another 15.6" notebook. Same price too.

I wouldn't ever compare a netbook to a full-sized notebook. That isn't what we have here. We have brazos in budget full-sized notebooks. Hence, I compare that to other budget full-sized notebooks.
 
I bought the dmz1 a month ago, and I have to say I love the little guy. Its lightweight and thin, yet the keyboard isn't cramped like so many netbooks. Im not a huge fan of HP on a whole, but I use this thing all the time. It gets like 6 hours of battery life(when set to the right power consumption) watching movies the whole time. Its not really for gaming but thats to be expected of a netbook. It does run my android VM without horrendous wait times when I'm coding in eclipse; unlike many laptops I've had. I think I'm gonna add a ssd and beef up the ram to 8 gigs, then it should be perfect.
 
I think AMD is going to end up selling a lot of those Brazos chipsets.
Which is a very good thing. They need to sell a lot to make some decent profits given how inexpensive the notebooks are and how competitive the market is.
 
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