Tim Cook Talks About Those 'Assembled in USA' Macs

[bigpinkdragon286]

[citation][nom]wemakeourfuture[/nom]Compared to everyone other company that do not even do any assembly in North America?Like serious, you want to throw stones at Apple assembling products in North America when every other manufacturer won't even consider that.Don't forget Labour costs for a smartphone (Apple, Android, Microsoft, RIM) phones is about $6-$10 of the cost of the phone, at least Apple seems willing to create some jobs in North America.[/citation]

How ironic that you would admonish us throwing stones back at a company who's stores are so much glass, and threw stones at others first?

Apple would not necessarily be creating jobs in America. The need of assembly is there already, so the job already exists. They are simply deciding where to put the job. Doesn't anybody care to ask why they would choose America this time?

 

[ddpruitt]

[citation][nom]sundragon[/nom]LOL, I love responses like this.1. Actually, I'm young, live in the US capital and just finished my Masters at Business school - Nothing is as simple and easy as you make it 2. I'm basing my comments on what our instructors taught us and the 10 years of work experience I have, what are you basing... But I digress, I know nothing High paying jobs don't come out of nowhere... We have to have low paying jobs - You think making high paying jobs just happen at the turn of the knob. The factories that have the low paying jobs need people to build and design the machinery, manage, and engineer - Those are the higher paying jobs... The business people who redesign the supply chain to bring parts to the US just in time are also high paid workers. This doesn't just happen magically, lol[/citation]

So your saying we have to sacrifice high paying R & D jobs in the US in order to have people who assemble them here? You have hear of this new thing called telecommunications right? We can design them here build them there. I can tell you know a lot, like most other Business/Managerial types you've turned an or into an if and clouded the issue because you couldn't back up your claim.

 

[wemakeourfuture]

[citation][nom]bigpinkdragon286[/nom]How ironic that you would admonish us throwing stones back at a company who's stores are so much glass, and threw stones at others first?Apple would not necessarily be creating jobs in America. The need of assembly is there already, so the job already exists. They are simply deciding where to put the job. Doesn't anybody care to ask why they would choose America this time?[/citation]

You create a job by hiring someone, so if Apple is increasing their Assembly in USA they will inevitably be creating more jobs. Or you think the X many works that already do assembly is somehow going to do all the additional assembly without a new single person being hired?

There's a thing call shift work and workers only work their shift, if more is required they have to hire new workers either for that shift or create a new shift with more workers. Either way, new jobs.

Just because a need is somewhere and people have the skills to do it, does not mean if you hire them it is not creating a job. Not sure which bizzaro-world economics you're coming from.

 

[sundragon]

[citation][nom]ddpruitt[/nom]So your saying we have to sacrifice high paying R & D jobs in the US in order to have people who assemble them here? You have hear of this new thing called telecommunications right? We can design them here build them there. I can tell you know a lot, like most other Business/Managerial types you've turned an or into an if and clouded the issue because you couldn't back up your claim.[/citation]
[citation][nom]ddpruitt[/nom]So your saying we have to sacrifice high paying R & D jobs in the US in order to have people who assemble them here? You have hear of this new thing called telecommunications right? We can design them here build them there. I can tell you know a lot, like most other Business/Managerial types you've turned an or into an if and clouded the issue because you couldn't back up your claim.[/citation]

Where did I say sacrifice highpaying jobs? LOL

Let me reiterate in basic English...
1. I said with the low paying jobs come the high paying jobs Factories have to be designed by high paid employees
2. The machinery has to be designed by high paid employees
3. The Just-In-Time delivery has to be designed and managed by high paid employees...

Reading comprehension fail?

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

[citation][nom]wemakeourfuture[/nom]You create a job by hiring someone, so if Apple is increasing their Assembly in USA they will inevitably be creating more jobs. Or you think the X many works that already do assembly is somehow going to do all the additional assembly without a new single person being hired? There's a thing call shift work and workers only work their shift, if more is required they have to hire new workers either for that shift or create a new shift with more workers. Either way, new jobs.Just because a need is somewhere and people have the skills to do it, does not mean if you hire them it is not creating a job. Not sure which bizzaro-world economics you're coming from.[/citation]

Did you read the article sir? I wasn't implying anything unbelievable at all. Where does the article state that Apple is increasing, or generating new production? It says that Apple is planning to move assembly of an unspecified, but already existing Mac line, to the United States. That does not imply a generation of jobs, but a shift of jobs, from one place to another.

What does shift work have to do with anything? Apple will hire enough workers to replace the workers they have stopped using elsewhere. If labor laws here require a few more heads be added, I'm sure they will do that. But in the long run, I see them adding jobs the same way Walmart does. Yes, they may hire 300 employees, but as it's been shown before, there are only about 20 truly new jobs created. The other people already had jobs, but often times those jobs are lost due to other employers inability to compete with such large stores.

If Apple fires 15 people in China, and hires 20 in America to do the same job and remain compliant with local laws, how many jobs are actually created?

To quote Jane's article, "Moving assembly to the USA would do wonders for Apple's reputation." - Do you really feel Apple is concerned with creating more jobs for Americans?

 

[wemakeourfuture]

[citation][nom]bigpinkdragon286[/nom]Did you read the article sir? I wasn't implying anything unbelievable at all. Where does the article state that Apple is increasing, or generating new production? It says that Apple is planning to move assembly of an unspecified, but already existing Mac line, to the United States. That does not imply a generation of jobs, but a shift of jobs, from one place to another.What does shift work have to do with anything? Apple will hire enough workers to replace the workers they have stopped using elsewhere. If labor laws here require a few more heads be added, I'm sure they will do that. But in the long run, I see them adding jobs the same way Walmart does. Yes, they may hire 300 employees, but as it's been shown before, there are only about 20 truly new jobs created. The other people already had jobs, but often times those jobs are lost due to other employers inability to compete with such large stores.If Apple fires 15 people in China, and hires 20 in America to do the same job and remain compliant with local laws, how many jobs are actually created?To quote Jane's article, "Moving assembly to the USA would do wonders for Apple's reputation." - Do you really feel Apple is concerned with creating more jobs for Americans?[/citation]

In terms of how many American jobs were created it was 20. That's the point, they will be creating American jobs, good or bad, that's a different issue. But the fact remains more US jobs will be created as a result of assembling more products in the USA.

 

[blazorthon]

In an exclusive interview with NBC, Cook revealed that one of the existing Mac lines will be manufactured exclusively in the United States next year. Cook didn't elaborate on which line but said the company has been working 'for years' on doing more in the United States. He later added: "The consumer electronics world was really never here. It's a matter of starting it here."

As I recall, the electronics (including consumer electronics) industry was almost entirely started and worked on in the USA up until the 1980s or thereabouts, presumably because it became obvious that it could be done cheaper in other parts of the worlds. You're not "starting" it by claiming that it was never here (an outright lie), you're simply bringing a very, very small portion of it back. That's arguably a good thing for the USA, but overall, it's not going to make a big difference like this statement from Apple seems to imply.

[citation][nom]sundragon[/nom]Love it, a US company starts bringing jobs back to the states and people here still b*tch about it...As an US citizen, I'd rather give my $$ to these guys than Samsung...Chinese parts, Taiwanese parts, the point is the profit goes to the company selling the product - and the economy that it's supporting...If you're not US citizens then you may or may not care, but it's hilarious to see the complete blindness to how biased people are on the forums... PS. this is old news - For Pete sakes it was on Bloomberg before Toms! Lame beans for tech reporting...[/citation]

You'd buy from Apple strictly because they have a more obvious presence in the USA than Samsung does? That's no less biased than what many others whom you criticize have said on all sides of this argument, perhaps even more so.

[citation][nom]wemakeourfuture[/nom]I believe there is a certain threshold of % of assembly to make a claim that is has been made in a country (developed world mostly has regulation on this).http://business.ftc.gov/documents/ [...] a-standardNice try, trying to bash Apple by creating more jobs in the USA.I guess you're next going to bash Apple since it pays a higher corporate tax rate than other USA Software and Technology company. They intentionally pay more taxes and do less tax hiding than Microsoft.[/citation]

Microsoft directly or indirectly employs almost everyone in the entire USA. Their MS Office software is crucial to almost every USA business. Why should the company that is most responsible for the productivity of the USA pay taxes as badly as most other companies in the USA do? I don't like Microsoft, but I won't pretend that their products aren't of huge importance to the productivity (and thus income and thus income tax and more taxes) of a huge number of employees and other businesses in the USA and many other countries as well.

Furthermore, Apple isn't being bashed for creating more jobs in the USA. People in this forum thread are bashing Apple for other reasons, some sensible, some nonsensical.

We could all argue economics and such all day and night long, but that's all just looking at a few facets of the situation and both sides have screwed up in their arguments. Anyone who is in the USA and can't agree that Apple will either directly or indirectly make at least a few more jobs in the USA and that it is potentially good for the USA (even if not greatly so) with this USA plant is biased against Apple. Anyone who claims that Apple is some sunshine company for paying more USA taxes or some other reason without looking further into that situation is biased towards Apple. Apple is not in the better point of morality as a company compared to many of their competitors, not to imply that their competitors do not have faults of their own.

I won't applaud Apple specifically for doing this little bit of work in the USA. It may be the country that I live in, but doing work in the USA is not any more nor less right than doing it elsewhere. To think otherwise is to be biased for or against the USA and such bias, for any reason, is nonsensical in such a conversation. Apple isn't conquering some enemy of humanity by doing work in the USA and acting as if it's a great thing to do work in the USA instead of other countries doesn't make one a patriot unless one considers other countries and their people(s) to be inherently inferior. A bad job can be done anywhere just as a good job can be done anywhere.