To all those BITCHING about Prescott!!

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Hey B what I really wanted to point out is the XP line was so successful for AMD that they made good money.

Like every civilization or company if they turn a profit they have resources extra they can use in new development.

I simply think Intel has so many problems in house that none of us know about that they have been perusing MHz or the lack of it in their current group of processors and the 3 they just released kinda proves out what I was saying for the last few months.

Most Intel fans expected to see the 64 from Intel but it never came out. I also want to see Intel release a 64 CPU at around 5 GHz lets get this over with for the next 5 years at least all of us would know what CPU to buy and only bitch about graphics cards and motherboard/ram issues.

COME ON INTEL GET THE LEAD OUT YU LAZY BITCHES we all know they are flying 5 GHz [-peep-] in stealth fighter/bombers but not the shuttle they use tried tested and true in that so the fire balls look more impressive ;(

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Wow.. nice ASCII chart there :)
Yeah, that was pretty much what I was thinking.. just an observation though, I wouldnt use it predict the future.

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Well since I smoke I would pass out in an XP 86 from lack of oxygen to the brain. Give me ten years to get my lungs back in shape the wife and I are on a quite smoking plan so we can do some scuba diving in our late 50's.

Both of us are qualified but I have not done any since the late 80's accept on the learning channel damn.....My soul hurts let us all be free to do what we want to :)

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It kinda funny Northwood 1.8A Came out the Amd 1600 was what beat it. But I agree with the other post. Amd seems to win at the start and later intel wins. It what called Leapfroging. And if it was not for this. Intel would be charging a arm and a leg for a 1 ghz chip. Or amd would be. Even if that chip was out for 3 years cost would be $1,000 for a computer.

This fighting with Intel and Amd (not us) keep the prices down. And the speed of the chip going faster every few Months to a year.

We got to love Intel and Amd fighting for power.
 
Wow.. nice ASCII chart there :)
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...thanks... I didn't know I was that patient myself! :smile:

Well, while that pattern was more or less followed in the past, it still is not enough to really predict what will happen, as you point out. I agree. But it helps to try and paint a general picture.
 
You guys are great. M$ has not even released a mainstream operating system that runs 64bit natively yet and almost no one has any 64bit applications that a typical PC user would run yet and you are wanting Intel to release a 64bit CPU? :tongue:

You make me laugh. :lol: Why on earth would Intel jeopardize losing so much face after all that they have invested into the Itanic just to provide a CPU that is only desired by a niche market? No no no no. If Intel were to do such a thing then they would lose much faith from the very people that they are trying to sell Itanium to. That would do far more damage in the long run than if Intel were to just allow AMD to forge ahead and gain market share with AMD64 so that Intel could then later say "You customers demanded it, so here is our AMD64-compatible product. We did not want to do it but you gave us no choice. Itanium customers, do not blame us. We did not do it." and then steal that market share back. And then Intel laughs while no one is watching and happily produces x86-64 products without angering their customers.

Compared to angering customers and giving the impression of bad faith on the part of Itanium's future what is a little loss in market share now while they wait for the demand in x86-64 to rise and with it the creation of enough software content actually make the hardware worth buying? :lol:

No, Intel is playing games of politics. :smile: Oh but it is entertaining to watch you dance along with their puppet show. Yes AMD, do Intel's dirty work for them. Pave the way into the market for them. Give them their pretense so that they do not have to risk losing big iron customers.

If I did not know any better I would think that AMD has become nothing more than a shadow corporation for Intel. Has anyone checked to see if AMD is anything more than painted cardboard cavorting in front of Intel's candle to make you look at the shadows on the wall instead of at what Intel is <i>really</i> doing?


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Would all you whiners like a little cheese with that whine?

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Thw worse is itanium will increase it leas by a factor of 33% to 50% per year compare to anyone.There just infinite power there.It still a new architecture that run on very slow ram system and low clock speed.Those limitation come from it target market.

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My question is, are all of those <b>Press</b>cott o/cing articles invalid?
Because those are review CPUs sent from intel and probably hand picked?

To give a realistic consumer standpoint wouldnt they have to be from the channel?

It just runs too hot. Even at stock speeds according to HardOCPs review.

Well, if you are going to wait for another shrink and cache increase of Prescott this time, you may need a lot of patience...
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You raise an interesting point about shrinking prescott, good luck on that one anytime soon.

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I went back to a thread from September and found some interesting quotes ...

"Intel would drop the Prescott on their asses, and trust me that chips going to thrash the poor showing of the A64." (spud)

"See you guys in 2 months for the Prescott, we all know whats going to be happening there. Poor AMD you got bitch slapped." (spud)

"The A64 gave a decent showing, but I have a feeling that the Prescott will more than definitely cream the A64 in 32-bit considering the excellent showing inspite of the age of the Pentium 4 architecture." (UFO_Warviper)

"Heck prescott is coming out in december IMO it wouldnt matter if the EE never hit the shelves..." (labbbby)

Here's the thread:
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=152975#152975" target="_new">THG's Athlon64 Review</A>

I'm sure Prescott will improve with age, but it's funny to see how some predictions were pretty far off from reality.

<i>Money talks. Mine always likes to say "goodbye." :smile: </i>
 
Yo DE we all realize that there is no operating system for the new 64's but we also all expect to see M$ show up with one.
I posted ages back on the fact that the Chinese and the Japanese have both the brains and the desire to play with new toys they are as it were the galactic seat of nerdy izim and love anything that computes a number faster then an abacus.

If M$ will not provide an operating system for the new toys on the market like the 64 bit technology then they will write their own software.

It might not be legal in the rest of the world to purchase that software if it comes to that but imagine third world countries running around in 64 bit technology and the rest of us having the hardware and no place to shove it!!

Russia will be landing men on the moon and China will be landing men on the red planet.

That kind of hardware technology is no small feat and unless North American companies realize this they are going to be totally frost bitten.

Intel is going to buy the Farm on this, it is not looking good for them at all how can M$ expect to hold on to all the small niches as you put it most people buy the biggest and the best like cars and Plasma T.V's (HardwareBoss 😉 Microsoft is either going to provide an OS for the 64 bit technology or someone else will and we can all understand that millions of Chinese and Japanese scientists are born bread and have the divine ability to produce a viable OS in months if they wanted to.

Heads UP Bill Gates and Heads up Intel. Gamers RULE and corporations drool to have our market. The FIRST rule of management is never to admit anything because if you do the little guy gets a point that hurts, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the gamers market we can synthetically call the MILITARY market makes Intel, AMD and Microsoft jump through hoops like well trained Corgi's.

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...no offense man...but seeing you make it to ANCIENT POSTER with all those posts in francoenglish that most of us never understood..lol.......man...lol...that cracks me up....
 
>My question is, are all of those Presscott o/cing articles
>invalid?

Why would they ?

>To give a realistic consumer standpoint wouldnt they have
>to be from the channel?

There have been overclocking reports from retail products as well. Using appropriate cooling, I have little doubt Prescott can be overclocked to or above 4 GHz stable enough to run some benchmarks. 4 GHz is just 17% more than 3.4 after all.

>It just runs too hot. Even at stock speeds according to
>HardOCPs review.

Watercooled, or with huge noisy HSF's in open cases, that may not be too problematic (though it would be interesting to see if those overclocked chips are not in fact throtteling !), but that is a far cry from having a production ready speedgrade. Some people managed to overclock the Athlon FX to 3 GHz using liquid nitrogen or whatever, that really doesnt mean AMD can release a 3 GHz chip on 130nm this year, or ever.

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>My question is, are all of those Presscott o/cing articles
>invalid?

Why would they ?
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I was insinuating that they were hand picked by intel for review.
The chip isnt good regardless, but it would help if they could shine the best possible light on it they could by sending out better bins.

There have been overclocking reports from retail products as well. Using appropriate cooling, I have little doubt Prescott can be overclocked to or above 4 GHz stable enough to run some benchmarks. 4 GHz is just 17% more than 3.4 after all.
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Agreed, thats actually terrible scaling considering the architechure is up in the 3+Ghz range and performs worse than AMD cpus at circa 2Ghz.

Taking everything into consideration (its archetechure, pricing, the last revisions scaling (northwood), and the fact that everyone ranted and raved about this thing for months)...I would EXPECT every stock prescott to clock to 4Ghz on air.
If not 4.2Ghz or so. I mean it would have to remain competitive with the 64FX chips and the faster A64s.

I dont know about you, but I think that most reviewers tried very hard to shine a good light on this thing.
I mean, we had to listen to a bunch of BS about how we were supposed to "wait for prescott to whoop up hard on little AMD", now their chip sux..
And everyones out making excuses.

Even intel did, instead of the P5 its still a P4.. thats admittance right there that its subpar to what they originally intended.

Its starting to appear that Intels chosen path of marchitechure and high clocks is not going to work.
It has bad IPC and is not going to scale incredibly high as they need easily.
Versus AMD has more IPC and went other routes for performance, one of which hasnt even been tapped into yet! Thats of course the 64 bit extensions.
Even if prescott is revealed to have 64bit (which if it did we would probably already know), it would STILL be the loser because the A64 line trumps it in 32bit anyway.

Intel might still have a SLIGHT lead in media creation but most people upgrade for games.. almost always have.
AMD is damn near intel in most, and if I was a REAL professional.. that actually needed something good I'd spend more than a simple P4 or Athlon.
For the average consumer the P4 and Athlon are close enough in this category with the A64 launch.
Someone who makes $200,000 doing 3d animation or video editing for movies probably doesnt lower themselves to a single processor P4 or Athlon for their livelihood. I wouldnt.
At least using MP.

Thats how I see the overall scene.. intel has no place besides in Dells and with people who dont know better.

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I think you are exagerrating. Prescott performs no worse than Northwood, or not significantly. It is still competitive with Athlon 64, even if not top notch. Assume for a second intel can sort out the heat issues, reduce it to NW levels, and scale it >4 GHz this year, then its still very much a capable cpu. Not as good as hoped perhaps, not likely better than what AMD has or will have, but you make it sound like they just released a VIA C3 class chip consuming 120W. In benchmarks it certainly doesnt fare worse than eg Barton 3200+ did against P4C. Win some, lose some.. lose overall, but still roughly in the same league with a smaller (cheaper) core. Prescott is only 56% of the K8 in die size, don't forget that. 90nm might change that off course, but there arent any 90nm K8 yet.

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Agreed, thats actually terrible scaling considering the architechure is up in the 3+Ghz range and performs worse than AMD cpus at circa 2Ghz.
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This is not too bad for a just-now-launched core. Further steppings might improve scalability a lot. Plus, enhance performance, hopefully...
Its starting to appear that Intels chosen path of marchitechure and high clocks is not going to work.
It has bad IPC and is not going to scale incredibly high as they need easily.
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This might as easily have been taken from a post of a guy some 3 years ago, when Willamette was first introduced. Just to show you the irony... You could be right, but even if Intel's design choices have been the wrong ones to this date, they are very far from putting Intel to true shame. Prescott is not that slower than northwood at all, and it has more future than Northwood.
intel has no place besides in Dells and with people who dont know better.
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Right now, Intel has no places in the high-end. But Intel offers good deals on 2.6Cs or 2.8Cs right now; it wouldn't be stupid to buy those as mid-range processors. Anything higher, though, and AMD makes Intel look small. Buying a prescott now is probably not a good choice at all, but so was buying a willamette in the 1.7Ghz P4 days.
 
If I am exagerrating it is only par for the course considering the HYPE we had to listen to from these intel fanboys for months.

I might be *slightly* overweighing the A64 to the prescott... but not much more than reality.

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This might as easily have been taken from a post of a guy some 3 years ago, when Willamette was first introduced.
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Hey, I WAS that guy!!
Though the issue is still debatable. I 'think' I see signs of intel running out of air on this type of method of performance improvement. I suppose its up to how well Intel improves their branch predictor in the future to make their path more viable(?). Thats my opinion (that AMDs path will be more fruitful), and not as well informed as your's or BB's. But I do consider myself a decent analyzer/commentator :smile: .

I'm not positive if my anti-willamette days were on THGC, but a quick click on my name revealed to me I have been here since September of 2001... I was probably posting more frequently on Anandtech at that time.

Yep, I'm an old battle hardend forum warrior 😎

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