To all those BITCHING about Prescott!!

[DeEvolution]

One question: why beans?

😱 BeCaUsE lIkE aThLoNs ThEy CaN bE gReEn Or BrOwN. 😱




"Sad is the elephant upon the ice who went to put on his wooly coat only to realize that he left it in his other trunk." - DeEvolution

 

[kinney]

Yes it will make a difference. First, every single person that becomes convinced to buy AMD over intel, that DOES matter.
Second, I'm a network professional, although I'm going for more school I have a degree and multiple certifications in network technology and being as I will be a sysadmin someday we will see if I can "make a difference". CCNA, MCSE, A+, Net+, AAS Network Tech, PC Tech diploma.. how about your qualifications on anything, expert?
I will be in control of hundreds of computers, possibly THOUSANDS.
While having a huge influence on what is purchased.
Now, YOUR bitching.. means nothing because you are a nobody and will continue to be so.

AMD, well, is AMD.

Yes and Intel is, well, Intel.
Their technology simply sucks ("Centrino" anyone) and doesnt meet the needs of consumers. Its a marketing company that bullys their competition out of the market.

You said it best when describing intel by saying-

It is not about the technology.

You're right. AMD is the superior semiconductor manufacturer.

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[dhlucke]

You all were bitching about the P4 when it first came out, and how worse it was compared to the PIII...

and in a few months we all praised the mighty INTEL for the greatest chip on earth...the... "cough" "P4" as well!!!!! (1.8AGHZ)

and now u r all starting all over again...so STOP ALREADY...in a few months we all will be craving to get a PRESCOTT!!!

We bitched, and still do, about all the Williamettes. Those were garbage. It wasn't until the Northwood came out that the P4 was worth looking at.

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[DeEvolution]

Yes it will make a difference. First, every single person that becomes convinced to buy AMD over intel, that DOES matter.

If you say so. It seems to me that for as many years as AMD has had a significant hold on the enthusiast market if it <i>were</i> to have made a difference then we would have seen such by now. But hey, do not let me stop you from complaining to everyone that you know. Go right on ahead if you think that it really matters.

Second, I'm a network professional, although I'm going for more school I have a degree and multiple certifications in network technology and being as I will be a sysadmin someday we will see if I can "make a difference". CCNA, MCSE, A+, Net+, AAS Network Tech, PC Tech diploma..

As I have already said "There is a reason why engineers do the R&D and <i>not</i> the marketing or sales." You can work with technology all that you want and earn as many certifications and degrees as you like, but that does not mean that you have any idea how the market works. (As is quite obviously shown by your posts, frankly.)

how about your qualifications on anything, expert?

I have a BA in psych. with a minor in business. I am a third degree Reiki master. I am certified in Quantum Touch and Magnified Healing. I am a licensced masseuse and counselor. I have been self-employed and living quite comfortably on that income and on the interest from my financial investments for over a decade now. So I do believe that in comparison I am far more qualified than you to discuss business and influence on human opinion, and I have never once even claimed to be an expert on any subject.

I will be in control of hundreds of computers, possibly THOUSANDS.
While having a huge influence on what is purchased.

Congratulations. At some indefinable point in the future you <i>may</i> have an influence on the purchasing of anywhere between two and two thousand computers. Tell me again how that is meant to affect a market of <i>millions to billions</i> of computers. :tongue:

Now, YOUR bitching.. means nothing because you are a nobody and will continue to be so.

That was quite an unnecessary and uncalled for attack on my person. I believe that you are taking this discussion far too seriously.

Yes and Intel is, well, Intel.

Did I ever state otherwise? Or was that in fact my entire point. Intel knows business. AMD knows technology. It is rather clear which is doing better.

Their technology simply sucks ("Centrino" anyone) and doesnt meet the needs of consumers.

Are you trying to tell me that you honestly believe that the company with the most customers (by an incredible margin at that) is the company which does not meet the needs of its customers? Perhaps next you will try to tell me that AMD's margins are bloated, hmm?

Further, please do explain how Centrino is <i>not</i> meeting the needs of the mobile computing market. I would so love to hear you explain that one.

Its a marketing company that bullys their competition out of the market.

Well, you have that half right anyway. Intel is a company that can market a product quite well. However considering just how far Intel is going to <i>avoid</i> pushing AMD out of the market (and for that matter is avoiding pushing competitors out of <i>any</i> of their markets) I do not see how you can come even close to supporting the latter half of your libel with any proof whatsoever.

You're right. AMD is the superior semiconductor manufacturer.

If that were true AMD would have far more production capabilities than they do <i>and</i> would have beaten Intel to the latest process shrink. No, AMD is by far not a superior manufacturer.

AMD is however an equally innovative semiconductor developer. They do good R&D, especially when you consider the difference in manpower and their much smaller budget. As I have repeatedly said however, this means absolutely nothing if you do not know how to run your business.

Further, I have to wonder how much longer AMD can get away with revisions to the same old core before they finally run out of significant ways to improve it. They have certainly been a study in reusability. While I commend their ability to design a base product that has survived for so long with upgrade after upgrade I do wonder when their next true new CPU design will be and how long that one will last them. It is a most interesting strategy, but also one that shows just how tight their resources really are instead of one that exudes confidence. Investors prefer the latter, even if that confidence is unjustified and the products weak.


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[Zoron]

CCNA, MCSE, A+, Net+, AAS Network Tech, PC Tech diploma.. how about your qualifications on anything, expert?

*Sigh*

Why do people feel the need to constantly brag about their qualifications in some attempt to make their opinion superior to someone else's?

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink.

It doesn't change ANYTHING, kinney. It doesn't make you more right than DeE. Marketing sells CPUs, not engineering. I believe someone said there's a reason we don't see engineers in the marketing department. AMD has failed miserably at marketing, and that is why they are #2.

Now, YOUR bitching.. means nothing because you are a nobody and will continue to be so.

Come on kinney. That's NOT a professional attitude. It certainly won't sway anyone to AMD's side. If AMD is truly superior, you shouldn't need to insult Intel or Intel supporters to make AMD look better. (Though I don't suspect DeE is an Intel supporter per-se).

Pointing out AMDs flaws shouldn't make you defensive. If anything it's constructive critisism. It's not enough to make great CPUs, you have to sell them as well. I for one am very happy AMD is starting to realize this... it's obvious OEMs are starting to come around.

I know I've never said AMD's weakness has been it's CPUs. I've always maintained that it's AMD's ability to market their CPUs (and in the past produce sufficient quantity) that needs work. If Intel doesn't get it's act together by the time I'm ready to buy my next comp... I'll be going back to AMD.


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[Snorkius]

I know little of all things business, but to me it looks like AMD is slowly gaining ground. When the first athlon came out it made a lot of noise in the enthusiast market but when I told my friends and relations that I have an athlon, they were like 'What? is that the new cyrix or something?'(someone actually said that) Nowadays, it is possible to buy an athlon system in any computer shop. There are a bunch of OEMs (fujutsi-siemens comes to mind) that make athlon systems. And finally, everyone who is even remotely interested in computers knows about AMD.

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[trooper11]

Well I dont see AMD as actually loosing out on the market. Ill agree that they have little national marketing, but that stems from the fact that intel has been firmly intrenched in it for years and was already entreched whne AMD came on the market. AMD was able to post a profit last quarter for the first time ina several months. For a company that focuses fmore on development then marketing on a national scale, Id say thats pretty good. Intel's marketing has saved itself many times over, when thier new cpu may not have performed up to snuff. The reason for that is, the general public doesnt care, they just want something that works. I can say that AMD may never be mainstream like Intel. Since they have a samller marketshare and less capitol to work with, they cant focus on marketing and design, so they chose design. In the long run, I think that was a wise choice. We will see if AMD can keep chipping away, even if its slowly, at Intel's control. I belive over the enxt few years you will see some shifting in the OEM market. I think if AMD reached 30% market share, that would be a big blow to Intel.

 

[DeEvolution]

(Though I don't suspect DeE is an Intel supporter per-se).

The funny thing is that I could not give a rat's tail (Finaly Fantasy 1 anyone?) about either AMD or Intel products. I have a computer that meets all of my needs (as few as they are) and will not likely upgrade for years even if it is only a P3 750MHz box.

As a financial investor however I do care about them both as businesses. I do not 'support' either. I invest when the market looks good and sell when it turns sour. So far AMD has made more money for me in short-term investments (product release cycles make wise investing so predictable) and Intel has been one of my best medium-term (1.5 years) investments.


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[kinney]

You can work with technology all that you want and earn as many certifications and degrees as you like, but that does not mean that you have any idea how the market works. (As is quite obviously shown by your posts, frankly.)

I AM who they are trying to market to.
IT specialists, sys admins.

have a BA in psych. with a minor in business. I am a third degree Reiki master. I am certified in Quantum Touch and Magnified Healing. I am a licensced masseuse and counselor. I have been self-employed and living quite comfortably on that income and on the interest from my financial investments for over a decade now. So I do believe that in comparison I am far more qualified than you to discuss business and influence on human opinion, and I have never once even claimed to be an expert on any subject.

When I have my next mental breakdown... which could be quite soon after reading your post, I'll give you a call.

Tell me again how that is meant to affect a market of millions to billions of computers.

I dunno, you would probably say a single vote doesnt count either.
But it does. The last Presidential came down to a handful of votes.

Further, please do explain how Centrino is not meeting the needs of the mobile computing market. I would so love to hear you explain that one.

Centrino is mainly a software/cpu powered implementation. Similar to a Winmodem, when Intel stops supporting it, its useless.
IIRC ,the centrino network adapter has no linux support. They were supposedly working on proprietary driver (and a open source later but I dont think that will happen) but I dont think its out. I dont know how much that particular point affects most businesses but its worth adding, Linux is free.. many businesses are switching over.
Centrino is based on old technology, the competition offers lower power consumption, less CPU overhead, and higher speed technology.
Seriously, 802.11b?? Great. Just what my business was looking for. How about 802.llg. Also, Centrino performance drops 40% when you unplug a centrino machine.
They are NOT meeting the demands of the market. They are marketing to us properly, and bullying everyone around with their slow, outdated crap.
That includes this 'centrino' setup and the PressSnot (gets wittier everytime).
I give them the props they deserve for pushing their crap down everyones throat, being the marketing leader.. fine. But as if thats hard when you had some good years with good CEOs (Andy Grove comes to mind), have more cash on hand than AMD is even worth, yet now their best days are behind them. True story.
Intel needs to leave networking to companies that know what they are doing, same goes for processors.
We'll see in 15 years how bodes the future for your 'marketing champion'.
In the meantime I wont be using it nor supporting it.

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[kinney]

Why do people feel the need to constantly brag about their qualifications in some attempt to make their opinion superior to someone else's?

True, but I can back my opinion up. At least in the networking arena. All those pieces of paper show at least SOME credibility to my technical prowess. Or we can just take some guy with a keyboards opinion.. 😱

He made me backup my comment on how centrino sucks, its only fair that he tell me why his opinion had weight.

Ya, it was a little harsh.. but thats my style. I dont need popularity.

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[kinney]

Interesting. If you dont hate me by now, whats a good investment?

I have a large portion of XM radio stock that has theoretically made me lots of money.
Bought at $5 a share and it now varies between $23-$29. I am still holding onto that.

I'm considering a large purchase of federal mogul and would like some IBM stock (they have proven to be true innovators and I have been saying I am goign to buy them forever now) but the price is so high, and I am so poor.
Being a college student still. Part time jobs dont allow for alot of big time investments, but I try.

I nearly invested a large amount in Sawtek years ago (SAWS) but that wouldve been a bad investment, I dont think they are even on the board anymore. I think TriQuint bought them out. Maybe triquint is a buy, I dunno.

I'm a casual investor and have been lucky so far.
BTW I probably came off a bit little more abrasive than I meant to before.

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[eden]

Hi BB. Missed me?

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[juin]

You take a lot of time to put wrong fact on this board.Maybe you should look around a bit.

Just to show bad

 

[kinney]

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[juin]

and your
http://www.tomshardware.com/smoke/20020704/index.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/smoke/20020715/index.html

Just to show bad

 

[endyen]

Hi Eden. I missed you.

 

[endyen]

Thank you for reminding us once again that the dolt Omid Rahmat would go to any length to make Amd look bad. His intel fanboyism is as blatent as his poor technical skills an inept writing talent. That he is responsable for much of the benchmarking that have caused Tom's to loose credability is reason enough for everyone in this forum to wish him gone.

 

[kinney]

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[kinney]

Thank you for reminding us once again that the dolt Omid Rahmat would go to any length to make Amd look bad. His intel fanboyism is as blatent as his poor technical skills an inept writing talent. That he is responsable for much of the benchmarking that have caused Tom's to loose credability is reason enough for everyone in this forum to wish him gone.

This is true. But he has defended himself in this very forum against the likes of me, the Forum Warrior.
Though I had him down for the count, I let him off considering he does pretty much have authority here.
But yeah, anyone who thinks that these tech sites arent as biased as me is crazy. They just try to disguise it better.
I for one, respect those who openly reveal their bias as its not as deceptive.

IIRC it was over including overclocked P4EE results in the A64 launch article.. as if that wasnt enough to be marring and misleading, but they werent even marked as overclocked results. If those had not been there, the A64 had ruled that launch article.
Probably the most important single article for AMD in years..
Ridiculous. Honestly, I've met forum members who could run better tech commentary sites than most out there.

BB could very well be an integral part of one.
PopeGoldX would be my personal choice for opinions or rants. That guy is so funny he could write some humorous AMD opinion papers.

Oh, and between the mass chaos in the forum over that issue and my confrontation with Omid, the o/c'd results were taken down and an apology was issued.
You might remember your Forum Warrior challenging Omid himself <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=153657#153657" target="_new">here</A>, for an example.
His reply as you will see, is that, [-peep-] happens. I let that slide, though I nearly unleashed the fury on such a response.

Without removing those results they were looking at outright loss of credibility from about everyone out there, and their own forum regs.

Don't worry guys, I'm on it. 24/7 :lol:

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[kinney]

I must add, that I continued to destroy silver phoenix in that thread on the entire issue that he did not see the A64FX as a desktop CPU, yet in his twisted, fanboyistic mind, the P4EE is...
some people. I even took a popular opinion poll to once and for all destroy him.

As far as Omid, his reponse as you might have read was that "[-peep-] happens" and they run out of "time".

A direct quote-

Omid-
You get processors a few days before the article has to go live. You have to run hundreds of tests over a week-end, a week-end you don't get paid extra for. You have to get everything into data charts and ready and up for a ridiculous embargo because, everyone wants you to post it at 12.01 pm EST, and not a minute later.



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[k]- It only leaves me wondering... if time is one of the main issues, someone mustve had some extra time or they wouldnt have stuck two (3.4ghz and the 3.6ghz) extra complete results for every benchmark.

But I accept your answer nonetheless.

As you can tell, I'm actually very gracious when schooling these intel fanboys.
In fact, I do more EDUCATING when posting here than actual debating.
Whether its <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=153852#153852" target="_new">a lesson in logic, as phoenix attended..</A> or a lesson in time management as saintbabs has taken part in.
You wouldnt believe the amount of ridiculousness these fanboys will go to. <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=153930#153930" target="_new">Here</A> you will find me FORCED TO DRAG OUT THE DEFINITIONS OF A TRUCK, A SERVER AND A WORKSTATION for the Intel elitists.

Its all in part of the process of 'de-intelizing' these folks.
The world now knows, with the failure of Pretzel and the glowing successes of the AMD Opteron and A64 that AMD is the superior semiconductor engineer.

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[Mephistopheles]

Look who's here! Long time no see, eh, Eden?

 

[taitertot]

LoL buddy calls him a dolt but cant do a better job even if he tried. I love this forum, and the characters they have herein.

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If this post has attitude, seems to be overly aggressive, rude, distasteful to 99% of the users here, and shows a zealous defense of Intel... It’s probably Spud.

 

[eden]

Holy Moly Kinney your ego just blasted skyhigh through the roof! 😱

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[eden]

Yes, quite. But meh, I see not much is new really. Same old bashing.

Kinney's had a super-magnitudio-hyper-inflated ego, the forum's AMD fanatics still rant on Omid. They all miss me, I knew it. They want that special devil's advocate.

Meet the Forum Whino, with stronger weapons than a Forum Warrior! :lol:

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[endyen]

Speaking as an Amd fan, I missed you because you seemed to be more flexable than most of the intel fans, but more because you are more of a performance fan. Nice to see you back. Hope the cold Quebec winter isn't too painful.