To clear up SATA and RAID confusion.. once for all

pat

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At least, I hope. For those not wanting to look at the RAID and HDD faq in Hard disk thread or not wanting to read the FAQ at the first line of this very thread!

This is something I wrote in another forum, so tell me what you think.

OK..SATA is Serial ATA. IDE is Integrated Drive Electronic, and IDE on older HDD is PATA (Parallele ATA). Two different standard, doing the same thing. SATA is the interface between the computer and the HDD for IDE SATA drive. PATA is the interface between the computer and the HDD for IDE (ATA)drive.

A SATA drive is an IDE drive using a serial interface to transfer data to the board, while PATA drive is the same drive, but with a parallele interface between the drive and the computer. Serial ATA has greater bandwidth for data transfer than the PATA drive interface, and supposely greater speed, but in reality, drive are not yet able to fully utilise the ATA 100 bandwidth, so you wont get faster speed from either ATA133 and SATA150.

You can set PATA and SATA raid. If you dont plan on RAID, then use the SATA interface as it. SO, no, SATA is not only useful for RAID. SATA is useful to connect the drive to the computer. Just like SCSI. Or ATA. RAID is just a way to set up some drive to have more data security or performance. Read about that on the web. RAID can be used on ATA, SATA and SCSI.

Adding RAID once a drive is already functionning is possible only for RAID1. RAID1 is data mirroring. If you plan to do RAID0, or stripping for better performance, then you CANNOT simply add another drive, as stripping strip the data and send them to both drive at once. so, you have one half of your data in one drive and the other half on the other drive. In RAID0, if one drive fail, you loose everything. in RAID 1, if one drive fail, the other contain the exact copy of the failing drive, so, you dont loose anything.


So just remember. IDE drive are IDE drive no matther if they USE ATA or SATA to connect to the board. Serial ATA move data to and from the drive with a serial wire (small wire)and Parallele ATA move the data to and from the drive with a parallele (wide ribbon).

RAID is just another controller that use the drive in different way as standard controller. If you are not yet familiar with all this stuff, then just use your serial ata drive as a normal drive and forget the RAID thing as it take two identic drive to perform at its best. By setting the controller as a normal SATA one in BIOS, you wont have to bother about driver install at windows setup. The native serial controller will be recognized in windows and the installation will continue.

Unless you are using a third party controller, as Promise, or Sil. Then, since they are added to the motherboard and not integrated in the chipset, you need drivers for SATA operation and RAID operation.

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
 
Sounds like a good explanation...as long as people actually READ it! :lol: Some people are SO stubborn!

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If you weren't sticking with it, then would you still be stubborn? :tongue:



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So I plug in my ABIT Serille adapter to an IDE- ATA-100 drive and SATA 0 on my MB and viola! I now have an IDE drive running at ATA-133?

Abit IS7 - 3.0C @ 3.6ghz - Mushkin PC4000 (2 X 512) - Sapphire 9800Pro - TT 420 watt Pure Power
Samsung 120gb ATA-100 - Maxtor 40gb ATA - 100
Sony DRU-510A - Yellowtail Merlot
 
I'd rather shoove that adaptor up my arse
Hey, can I take pictures? Are you trying out for JackAss, The Movie? The question remains, I'll go real slow this time, "Does it make your IDE drive a SATA (hence, faster)????

Abit IS7 - 3.0C @ 3.6ghz - Mushkin PC4000 (2 X 512) - Sapphire 9800Pro - TT 420 watt Pure Power
Samsung 120gb ATA-100 - Maxtor 40gb ATA - 100
Sony DRU-510A - Yellowtail Merlot
 
"So I plug in my ABIT Serille adapter to an IDE- ATA-100 drive and SATA 0 on my MB and viola! I now have an IDE drive running at ATA-133? "

Is that a question? I plug in my WD and Maxtor, both with SATA-PATA adaptor to 2 of my nforce 4 controller and the ports are set with RAID disabled, and they are recognized as SATA drives

So, if you wonder, then I guess that yes, if you do that, it will work with the SATA controller. As for the speed, ATA 100 already maxed out the PCI bus, so I guess that even if the interface is slower than the 150 theorical with SATA, it is still running at full speed anyway.

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
 
So, if you wonder, then I guess that yes, if you do that, it will work with the SATA controller. As for the speed, ATA 100 already maxed out the PCI bus, so I guess that even if the interface is slower than the 150 theorical with SATA, it is still running at full speed anyway.
I'm not sure I totally understand your answer. I understand the ATA 100 will max out the PCI bus. Are you saying that the HD data transfer speed depends on the connection? If I connect a drive to the ATA-133 connector the max that the drive can do will by 133 MB/s? If I connect the drive to the SATA connector the max that the drive can do is 150 MB/s? Is HD data transfer speed limited by the connection or are HDs limited by design? Will a HD designed to connect to a ATA 100 interface be capable of ATA 133 speeds if connected to a ATA 133 interface?
 
if your car max speed is 50MPH, then even if you ride on the highway, which speed is 65 MPH, you wont go faster than 50 MPH

But if your car can go at 90 MPH, and you are riding a local road with lot of cop, chances are that you will limit your speed at 35.

But if your car can run at 90, the speed limit is 35, but the road condition are bad, then you may only go at 20.

That's it. The car is the drive, the road is the interface, and the road condition is the bus. Now, get your brain to work this out!!!

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
 
You forgot about RAID AGR from HP-Compaq![tognue]

I leave that to you to explain... you're the HP-Compaq man here.

BTW, tognue doesn't work.. better try tongue instead :tongue:

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware, UNLESS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A MSI BOARD !!!