Toms hardware makes a mistake?

[nachowarrior]

my fans never change speed... even when my cpu is at 100% demand... and I'm not stupid so i don't run windows (no offense windows users) ... thanks though... and even when i do run windows, i play titan quest and at my system specs, titan quest pretty much maxes out my system (yeah it's a true budget build) and my fans never change speed because my temps don't run up) and if my fans needed to run up they would be noticeable... so that still doesn't explain the fact that it's a bios setup function and an optional driver in windows... yeah you still haven't proven that the os matters... so why did you post again? even after I posted that i need PROOF... not OPINION? but thanks for the input... like i said it's always appreciated. 😛 good try though!

 

[nachowarrior]

hey that's great... so wait, what's the answer again? because i've been shown no proof?... honestly. that's all I want, and it's been since the first post that mr. "i worship bob Marley" has posted negatives... i mean, I won't "wiki" anything because "wiki" is changed by the user, not somebody with proof... it's like a big crappy forum... I honestly just want something that describes excactly how all this works... but instead i just hear people saying "it's how toms says it is" which is ignorant.... so go ahead... call me an idiot for questioning anything... go ahead and believe the world is flat... but i don't want to be that ignorant... i want to understand.... not just accept what others say without backing info... if you'd read the original post, you'd clearly see that's what it's asking for indirectly...

i'm sorry that i thought i could get insight from other people... i guess i'll just have to do all the hard work myself and make sure to treat all of you fellow "tech junkies" as you have treated me... like white southern land owners treated their black slaves... or how your kind treated my kind (native Americans) in the past..... yeah, thanks once again... people never change....

 

[skittle]

*sigh*

ok here

Cool'n'quiet doing its job and throttling down to 1ghz.
Notice that its throttling because in the power options i chose laptop/portable. Also note the CPU multiplier at 5, and the voltage decreasing.

Here is the same computer, same OS, about 20 seconds later after i changed the power profile to Desktop, you will notice in cpuz that the CPU is no longer throttling, its running at full 2ghz

now gtfo

 

[nachowarrior]

yeah, it's got an option to SHOW your cpu "on demand"... it really just shows how much cpu is expected to be used... like it goes betweeen 1 and 2.4 (2.4 is max) but that's not what it's running at... and my fans never change speed. Ubuntu is awesome cuz it runs everything faster and easier... haha... but the issue of the cool 'n' quiet has never been an issue.... I just know that if i turn it off in my bios my fans run 100% and if i turn if off they run down as soon as my bios kicks in "the pc speaker beep indicating your bios startup" but as i posted before, i WILL compare this to my "on demand" icon in ubuntu as a check... but i will do so tomorrow, cuz i have to work early... see yall later... and thanks for the inuput. 😛

 

[skittle]

your utterly hopeless... espically since you think your "a linux guy" because you use ubuntu. Ubuntu is linux for dummies.

Honestly i took the time to screenshot that FOR YOU. You seem to think that cool'n'quiet is all about fan control. Its not.. and i just showed you that. You could atleast show some appreciation...


"yeah, it's got an option to SHOW your cpu "on demand"... it really just shows how much cpu is expected to be used... like it goes betweeen 1 and 2.4 (2.4 is max) but that's not what it's running at... "

and what the hell does that even mean?
If you meant that by selecting the portable/laptop power profile its telling the motherboard to throttle the CPU down because its currently idle... then you would be correct.

 

[nachowarrior]

i see your pics, and i appreciate the time and input... but i'm no seeing how that applies to amd cool 'n' quiet... I am rather tired... maybe i'm just not seein it... i'm literally about to pass out... i'll check your pics again tomorrow... but thanks man... the power profile isn't my issue... it's exactly what the "cool 'n' quiet" 'feature' does 😛 and just the name suggests that it's a fan control subject... but hey, i'll prove all that when these guys don't provide proof... unlike your very descriptive pictures, most have been unwilling to provide anything that is fact... especially considering that i don't think anyone posted anything not based on windows... which is kind backwards based on the subject. 😛.... anyway, like i said, i'll check it tomorrow. 😛 thanks

 

[bobby6k34]

this has been said in this thread before

the slowing down of the fan is a BIOS function yes thats rite but cool n quiet is not only there for your fan speed it underclocks you CPU and it will control your fan speed on the fly

your fan speed probably never changes because the BIOS is setup that way and your CPU isnt getting up to the temp needed to run at max ok

but your are really need to understand that Cool and quiet isnt just for controlling the fan speed its for controlling the speed of your CPU making it run slower aka making it cool and then because its cool you can run the fans at a lower speed Cool and quiet is there to under clock your CPU

example my CPU is a 3800 x3 running at 2Ghz now if Cool and quiet was running my CPU would run at 1Ghz when im not maxing out my CPU now because it runs slower it is cooler so the fan can run slower

now what you are thinking about is that the Cool and quiet in your BIOS is a driver of sorts and just because the option is there that it must be the thing that controls it. its not

by putting that option on in the BIOS you are enabling the option to use Cool and quiet software, now your fans speed probably drops down from 100% to xx% because your the people that made your BIOS thorough thay would let the motherboard control your fan speed when you enable the option

thats the most simplest way i can explane it but really you need to understand that Cool and quiet is software and your thinking that just because your fan slows down thats its Cool and quiet its not when you select it in the BIOS it will let the Cool and quiet software control your CPU speed but its your BIOS thats controlling your fan speed untill the Cool and quiet software is installed

now i know that thats not the most techy way of putting it so don't hammer me this my wrongs people.

 

[skittle]

... you have to select the power profile to enable cool'n'quiet.

It goes like this:

1.
Install windows, and enable portable/laptop power profile without installing the cool'n'quiet driver. The CPU will not throttle even though you have selected the correct power profile, because the drivers are not intalled.

OR
2. Install windows, then install the cool'n'quiet driver and enable portable/laptop power profile. The CPU throttles when you select the correct power profile, because the drivers are intalled.


Do I honestly need to screenshot the ENTIRE process? or can you figure it out by now? I hope the latter is your choice.

 

[nachowarrior]

i just posted a reply to your specific post.... we're off timing, the one you re-posted to wasn't a reply to you.... anwyay...

and it means that i think that based on other posts the "throttling" is directly related to the "on demand" in my OS... like I said.. it's a viable question, but people just seem to need a nap no matter how often i say that i don't want "@$$40L#5" 😛

but yeah, i'm smart enough to figure it out myself if i want to waste as much time as i've spent on this stupid forum, so I really don't care what you have to say, I just figured I'd try word of mouth and trust my "fellows" but i don't think that works with the kind of people i'm working with. hahaha. nice... thanx everyone!

 

[locky28]

FFS Nacho, I don't think theres a word to describe someone like you, something like a mix of arrogant, ignorant, blatantly stupid might do it but I'm not sure.

Go sleep, have a cup of coffee then read through the whole thread again and see if you understand. Nearly everyone here has an at least semi-thourough understanding of how it works and we've all tried to help you including myself but you couldn't understand. If you still don't understand, then I'd suggest you make a new account and try asking the same question in a different context because everyones going to think your a complete dumbass.

Sorry for the rage but god damn....

 

[nachowarrior]

go ahead and screen shot the whole process...

because like i said before... I'm not dumb enough to run windows as my main os....

 

[skittle]

... I'm not dumb enough to run windows as my main os....

mmhmm, and instead you chose linux for dummies.

 

[nachowarrior]

somebody saying that "this is how it works"

is not proof... i mean, i understand what you say.... but i don't see anything that relates to it/supports it... and like i said, i'll take your advice and make my own tests... and i understand your "rage" because i am going to go to sleep, and i'm going to run my own tests based on the good advice i have received... it just ticks me off that people act like a$$e$ whenever someone doesn't understand without proof or without someone pointing them to a place to learn for themselves... unlike most of the "help" i have received, i Don't post until a person has time to test my suggestion... arg... anyway, nite nite.... i'll re-read, and take suggestions, and if you can point me to some articles/proof, then i'll do all that too, nite yall. 😛


ps: i'd hate to see how you people talk to your grandma when trying to teach her how to use a pc.....

 

[skittle]

WIKIPEDIA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool%27n%27quiet

Cool'n'Quiet is a CPU speed throttling and power saving technology introduced by AMD with their Athlon 64 processor line. It works by reducing the processor's clock rate and voltage when the computer has low utilization. The aim of this technology is to reduce overall power consumption and lower heat generation, allowing for slower (thus quieter) cooling fan operation. Hence the name Cool'n'Quiet. The technology is similar to Intel's SpeedStep technology and AMD's own PowerNow! scheme, however these were developed with the aim of increasing laptop battery life.

Due to their different usage; Cool'n'Quiet on desktop and server chips, while PowerNow! is used for mobile chips — the technologies are similar, but not exactly equivalent. This technology was also introduced on "e-stepping" Opteron's, however it is called Optimized Power Management, which is essentially a re-tooled Cool'n'Quiet scheme designed to work with registered RAM.

Cool'n'Quiet requires processor drivers / Cool'n'Quiet software to be installed in order to correctly work in Windows, but is supported by the powernow-k8 option in modern Linux kernels.

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http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9706,00.html

2005 - AMD Athlon™ 64 Cool'n'Quiet Driver Version 1.50.03 Linux - AMD Athlon 64 Cool'n'Quiet Driver Version 1.50.03 for Linux 2.6 series kernels. Provides support for AMD Cool'n'Quiet technology for Linux systems. Adds support for 2.6.10 and later kernels. Requires cpufreq-1.20, cpuspeed-1.20.1, or powersaved-0.8.19 or later to support SMP and dual-core systems.

2006- AMD Athlon™ 64/FX Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (x86 and x64 exe) 1.3.2.16 - Allows the system to automatically adjust the CPU speed, voltage and power combination that match the instantaneous user performance need. Download this Setup Installation program (EXE) to automatically update all the files necessary for installation. This package is recommended for users whom desire a graphical user interface for installation. This .EXE driver is a user friendly localized software installation of the driver designed for end-users. This driver supports AMD Athlon 64/FX processors on Windows XP SP2, Windows 2003 SP1 x84 and x64 Editions.

AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor Cool'n'Quiet Software for Windows ME and Windows 2000, Version 1.0.8.1 - AMD Cool'n'Quiet! Technology allows the system to dynamically and automatically select the CPU speed, Voltage and Power combination that match the instantaneous user perfomance need. These changes can happen as often as 30 times per second. Note: This driver is for Desktop Athlon 64 systems only.

 

[locky28]

If you want "Proof" and aren't willing to trust the word of members of the forum then why bother asking us?

If you had have done a Google yourself you could've found the information skittle posted easily and without bothering everyone else.

 

[bobby6k34]

"I'm not dumb enough to run windows as my main os...."

mmhmm, and instead you chose linux for dummies.

um i have a stack of 100 ubuntu cds rite next to me ( i dont use ubuntu) i am apart of the HBLUG but i still run windows as my main OS its called being able to Game you should try it one day. i think a good percentage of the forum members on tom's have Linux running on a computer somewhere in there house or work so don't pull out that where dumb because we use windows

you wont prof then go to amds website and have a read of what thay say then email your motherboard tech support and ask them

you are asking the question but your not reading the reply there are about 6 people all trying to tell you, if you don't wont to take our word for it then dont F*&^in as the question, you ask for prof and skittle posted some images what more can you wont

 

[skittle]

Ive used ubuntu.. its installed on my moms, my sisters and my aunts PC (she hardly knows how to type). And it is nice, and simple. I was just making sure that he knew we wernt impressed with his l337 linux skillz..perhaps if he had chosen a distro that actually requires you to operate outside the GUI it might not have been so comical :roll:

 

[bobby6k34]

sorry skittle i replyed to the wrong post


i can understand now why people on toms get so hostile towards people now lol

 

[skittle]

the hostility comes from frustration. <3

 

[efnethore]

har har har.

*beep*cking dumb ass ubuntu kiddie running gnome thinking he's cool.
Pard' me nachowarrior but do you really think you know *nix enough to flame windows? Heck you can't even put a complete sentence together along with your overused ellipses. You can't even grasp the simple concept of "cool 'n' quiet" after so many of us explained it to you.

We can provide help but if you want proof, go do a research paper on it. Fact is, you are the one claiming the article is wrong, the burden of proof is on you. We don't have to produce any proof, we are not claiming the article is erroneous.

As I have stated before, you deserve all of the flaming. You don't know how to listen, you don't do any research and yet you ask for 'proofs'. Your own existence poses a challenge to human intelligence. I'm baffled that you even have the audacity to flame back at others, does your ignorance have no bound?

Yes, I have called you 'dumb', 'kiddie' and other names as well, but did I provide proofs? I certainly did.

 

[locky28]

We can provide help but if you want proof, go do a research paper on it. Fact is, you are the one claiming the article is wrong, the burden of proof is on you. We don't have to produce any proof, we are not claiming the article is erroneous.

+1 and well put.

 

[bobby6k34]

We can provide help but if you want proof, go do a research paper on it. Fact is, you are the one claiming the article is wrong, the burden of proof is on you. We don't have to produce any proof, we are not claiming the article is erroneous.

+1 and well put.

i agress 😛

 

[neocristi]

Alright, I'm no genius ....

You are right here my friend. You have observed your "Q-Fan" feature (bios controlled fan depending on cpu temp). Q&Q is more sophisticated and YES it needs OS support to run. Bios alone is not providing info about CPU load but the os does.

Conclusion "Q-Fan" will control your fan rpm and Q&Q will control your CPU multiplier and voltage ... it will down clock it.

 

[bumster]

Why would AMD go to the trouble of providing drivers for it if the drivers were not needed? :?

I would think that AMD would brag about it if their version of Intel's own Speedstep feature did not require drivers just like Intel's does and I would also be impressed!

Think about it.

 

[betunn]

honestly, why don't you go argue with a teenager in a chat room about who's hotter "paris hilton or Brittany spears" yeah... that's where you should be... because this isn't a place to argue, this is a place to ask for knowledge and fact.... go look at some porn and stop wasting my time... back your opinions up. 😛

Who's brittany spears????

You are right!

This is not a place to argue.

Then why are you so stupid to argue when you are given the proof that

you asked for?