Toms hardware makes a mistake?

[nachowarrior]

Alright, I'm no genius (well, i may be but i've not tested out for it, ) but page 2, third paragraph of "amd's smart strike:..." article states that the cool and quiet function requires os support. wtf!? I have the feature and my fans drop speed before the os even has a chance to do anything... actually they drop down to speed as soon as the BIOS kicks in, and you can change settings in the bios... so it really doesn't require os support... unless you want to change them on the fly in your os... if that's what they mean, i think that is understandable, but it's not "required" by any means. I've had 3 different OS' since i got this board and i've never had to install anything for it to kick in... This isn't noted in the article... I don't understand how such a simple thing can happen unless they just have a really crappy mobo with the cool and quiet support? But mine has always worked fine without os support on an asus m2npv-vm... so yeah, any thoughts or even a response from Toms would be even better...

and to quote an exceptional band "don't believe what you see, don't believe what you read"

hehe. sorry toms, you failed me for the first time, i'm going to point it out.

edit: ok in the poll they're supposed to be ' instead of " sorry. but you get the idea

 

[SasparillaMayonase]

I'm no genius

Agreed.

 

[betunn]

and to quote an exceptional band "don't believe what you see, don't believe what you read"

Don't think so. If so, why do you read and see, but to corroborate it all.

Believing is seeing not the other way around.

 

[betunn]

I'm no genius

Agreed.

In this too "I AGREE"

 

[noblekitty]

You got it mixed up. The feature that you are talking about is your motherboard's special feature in attempt to control the noise by running the fans accordingly to the temperatures it senses.
"Cool and quiet" controls the CPU speed to meet your usage need, thus reduce the overall heat that the CPU will produce. All CPUs will run at full speed when booting up.

 

[bobby6k34]

You got it mixed up. The feature that you are talking about is your motherboard's special feature in attempt to control the noise by running the fans accordingly to the temperatures it senses.
"Cool and quiet" controls the CPU speed to meet your usage need, thus reduce the overall heat that the CPU will produce. All CPUs will run at full speed when booting up.

i was just going to say that, so ill change the wording a little and make it seam like my idea.

its a BIOS feature that controls the fan speed when your PC boots up, "Cool and Quiet" is there to under clock you CPU when you don't need its fully potential

 

[nachowarrior]

you guys are soooo nice! hahah. But really, they don't mention it... and it does work without os. and thanks 'noblekitty' i'm almost positive it's labeled as cool 'n' quiet in my bios, but i'm too lazy to restart and take a picture of my bios... So the fan control is not what they were referring to? because as i said already, i'm almost positive that's what it's labeled as in my bios... actually... now that you mentioned that... I WILL restart and repost... if i'm wrong, more power, i just always question the information that's given to me... if i'm proven wrong... great, if i'm proven right... AWESOME! haha.


brb...

(haha, i was in the 98th percentile in all the nationwide and local tests in HS... so i may actually be a genius (drunken albeit, but still genius) hahaha. but still... i dunno haha.

edit: you guys are right i think, now that i think about it, those tests are bs.... and were so simple i could have passed them in 3rd grade... damn i hate being stupid.. but i'm still going to check my bios!

 

[Sunder]

A feature being configurable in your BIOS setup does not make it OS independent. Take the now-obsolete hyper-threading ... if your OS couldn't handle multiprocessing, it wouldn't do you any good to enable it.

 

[locky28]

 

[efnethore]

you guys are right....damn i hate being stupid.

Thank you.
If you were to critique tg's articles, please know what you are talking about.

you guys are soooo nice!

people will not treat you nicely when you go out on a limb and criticize others' work while you lack a thorough understanding of the intricate subjects that are involved. You sounded like a clubbag and few people tolerate that.

 

[nachowarrior]

ok, they label it as requiring os support, yet if i turn it off, my fans go apesh*t and run at full speed... if it's indeed cpu required speeds, then why again does it require os support? either way i think they're wrong in saying it requires os support... because it doesn't as far as I'm aware... it's always functioned the same over any os... and I've got a picture to prove that it's a BIOS function and not an OS function http://www.geocities.com/xnachowarriorx/S5000349.JPG if it doesn't show or if it runs out of bandwidth, either wait a day or let me know and I'll see if i can't find a better solution if i have time... but i took that pic with my digital camera a few minutes ago.... if that doesn't give my claim some credibility then i don't know what will... bios functions are bios functions no matter what the os... i know that well enough. (save for the os may not accept overclocks well in certain cases, which is odd, because an os is just supposed to interpret the hardware and utilize what it has to offer... ( i think it's an ms thing ) but one way or another that's a pic of my bios setup, and it's labeled "amd cool 'n' quiet"... in the bios... not the os... so that means it's not os specific... and as soon as the pc beep hits (indicating the bios has kicked on) the fans drop their speed form 100%.... so unless you have more than "i agree" to "i may not be a genius" stop posting or give me a viable answer to why they said that "amd cool 'n' quiet is os dependent"

 

[Zorg]

:?: :tongue: :roll:

 

[locky28]

either way i think they're wrong in saying it requires os support... because it doesn't as far as I'm aware...

Yes but the people at Tom's, along with most of us forum members don't think, we know that they're right. Please read up on Cool N Quiet, it throttles the CPU itself, it also throttles the CPU fan but it also changes the speed of the CPU which requires software support in Windows XP.

And even if they did make a small mistake, who cares? :roll: Don't be so anal, get a life.

 

[nachowarrior]

i'm not criticizing anyones work... i'm just questioning a specific statement in their article... granted these guys do a lot of work with a lot of things that are questionable... that's the reason for the poll... I was the one that voted "i'll be more weary" or whatever... on my own poll... i'm not saying their wrong, i just want some reasoning... because as of that picture and how my pc functions... the article does not describe how this functions and in my personal experience over win xp x86 and win xp x64 pro corporate and over Ubuntu x64... the function hasn't changed a bit... I don't see how this requires "os support" so go ahead and criticize me for asking a question and stand in line for a every load of crap that anyone writes on any given web site with a decent reputation... everyone makes mistakes... THAT'S why it was posted with a question mark instead of a period or an exclamation point... so don't be an a$$... just like I, and everyone else, would expect you to treat the "noobs" that post on this site... give advice and insight, don't be a p3n1s to everyone that's not as "educated" as you think you are...

PS: and i said that they failed me because they failed to describe this situation... not because they're "dumb"

but honestly, thank you for your opinion... it's always appreciated, any information, even if overly biased... is always welcome because it gives insight to the solution.

 

[htoonthura]

I'm no genius

Agreed.

In this too "I AGREE"


I agree.

 

[nachowarrior]

I'm supprised my topic got so many posts within such a short time!... thanks for all the help! I just want answers, not opinions... I would look up "amd cool 'n' quiet" on my own save for the fact that in depth technical web sites like these are supposed to feed the information to me (that and 12 hour days kill)... not that i'm lazy, but i mean, isn't this where we go to get the low down on hardware?... I just don't think that the statement made is true, I did state in an earlier post that i've had 3 os' and that the function hasn't changed one bit over the three... so I don't think it's OS specific... but if someone can give me proof then i'll listen to that particular claim, rather than a bunch of babbling people... anyway, check that pic... check their article... they say it requires os support? so they claim that vista supports it (and if you trust them) then xp, xp x64 corporate, and Ubuntu x64 (and according to my brother Ubuntu x86) supports all this, then why "it requires os support"... because what else is there? bad versions of linux? windows 98? who uses that? honestly? and if they wanted to go that deep into detail, why not a side note or a simple quick link to a text explaining it? (i'm sure they have a ton of articles about this subject) omg... wow, mac's now use intel cpus.. but this function does not apply to intels or the mac os... so that cancels out those options

i really don't think I'm out of line... but like I said before... prove me wrong, I'll admit it... as long as it all makes sense... I just question what I read... so make your posts, i'm not proud... just give me proof. hehe... and hey, don't get all worked up... it's bad for your blood pressure! haha.... I do enjoy the enthusiasm though!

thanx

 

[locky28]

the function hasn't changed a bit...

I don't think your understanding what 'the function' is. The 'function' is actual CPU throttling, not just turning the fan speed down, but making the CPU run slower, for example a 2.0ghz 3800x2 when not at full load would get throttled back to run at 1.4ghz or whatever so as to save power.

If you check your CPU speed at idle in Linux, or Windows XP without the cool n quiet software installer, your CPU will stay at 2.0ghz.

However if you check your CPU speed at idle when running Vista, or Windows XP WITH cool n quiet software installed (plus CnQ enabled in bios) then your CPU will throttle back to 1.4ghz or whatever.

 

[nachowarrior]

i think i do see the "cpu throttling"... but so why do my fans go 100% when i turn it off? and why did all three OS' act the same one way or another? and "support the function" despite the fact that they mentioned that it needs "os support" if all of the most popular os' support it? i haven't had an os yet that's messed it up...

i don't think you've tested the function well enough... if you can find an os that it screws up on, let me know.

edit: yeah, i have the cpu "on demand" thing on my tool bar (Ubuntu), it's almost always at 1ghz... and then it goes up... based on your advice, i will change my "cool 'n' quiet" function to "disabled" and see if that changes... and let you know what happens. ...

 

[locky28]

Ok at least we're making progress 8)

You're fans going at 100% when you turn off your PC is a different bag of beans, more to do with your motherboard, as it stops controlling the fans speed as it shuts down so they go full pelt for a bit before power to the fans is cut off, and when you first boot up, your fans will go full pelt for a bit before the fan controller in CMOS/BIOS starts slowing them down.

Cool n Quiet only takes place while your in your OS, all it does is detect when your CPU usage is very low, and when it is, it slows down your CPU clock speed and sometimes voltage (I think, unless that's Intel only), which means less electricity is being used which means goodness.

If the OS, doesn't support the Cool n Quiet feature, nothing is going to "Screw Up", all that will happen is the CPU will remain at it's default clock speed.

EDIT: Never heard of the CPU on demand thing in Ubuntu, sounds like Ubuntu does have throttling support, but yeah tell me how that goes.

 

[nachowarrior]

yeah, so whatever your name is "stranger"... it's a viable question for a lot of people... many of us who have not spent the time to study this specific subject... and in a previous post i do believe i posted "don't be an @$$" which means just that... People ask for help or opinions and insight on toms often... I try to answer their inquiries to the best of my knowledge without being a D1Ck... with what I know as fact, and I don't claim to know facts without having the results in front of me... so having all that in mind... "we don't roll like that yo" so yeah, just gimme some facts and don't try to be insulting, because I know the people that post honest facts are 10 times smarter than you, even if they are drunk off their @$$... a smart drunk is 10x smarter than a dumb sober person... ... stop the insults... enjoy the knowledge, because knowledge is what forums are for... honestly.... i really don't like (6th grade terminology) "meanies" hahahah.

 

[locky28]

Right....

NFI to whom or what your on about.

 

[skittle]

ok dummy ive had just about enough of this to last me a life time.

Here it is, very simple, even YOU can understand.

Cool'n'quiet requires OS support to throttle the CPU

Cool'n'quiet doesnt need OS support to throttle the fans because the technology throttles the fans based on temperature of the CPU which is measured by the motherboard. (and therefore doesnt need the OS support)

Dont believe me? enable cool'n'quiet and reinstall windows, run cpuz and see if your cpu throttles by its self. i guarentee that it wont. install the cool'n'quiet software and like magic, your cpu will throttle down when its idle.

 

[nachowarrior]

just an update... it's sad how many negative comments there are... and how many new posts that I've had to defend here on toms forums... or "forumz" if you want it that way.... but honestly, it's ridiculous... forums are for help, not for douche bags to take out their anger on people who want to ask a question.... honestly, why don't you go argue with a teenager in a chat room about who's hotter "paris hilton or Brittany spears" yeah... that's where you should be... because this isn't a place to argue, this is a place to ask for knowledge and fact.... go look at some porn and stop wasting my time... back your opinions up. the more i deal with people like you the more I'm willing to buy military surplus fully automatic rifles... oh wait, sorry... we're supposed to be smarter than other countries and not kill each other... so I'll stick to that whole freedom thing... oh wait, save for you prolly voted for bush and bought vista which kills two basic freedoms... your privacy and your right to free speech... oh wait, so i guess i should buy that rifle and go ahead and shoot you next time i see you... k... now that we're clear on that... (that's kinda confusing cuz bush is pro NRA but put the watch on us citizens )

(((((this post is aimed toward those who do not help, (because it's all too common) and only harm, do not take offense to this if you have positive input))))

(one more note, communist ( and according to the us government) terrorist countries, control the media (in their countries). i'll let you know that I'm not controlled... so I'll say whatever i damn well please, and good for you if you exercise the same rights! (but please, don't be a dick when someone has an issue and don't just assume what some college pot head writes is true....) thanks for the consideration... when posting ANYTHING!

 

[skittle]

your only getting negative comments because your criticizing toms without doing YOUR research. Ironic isnt it?

 

[locky28]

Most of the flaming you've been given has been a result of you just dribbling rubbish like that in your last post instead of just listening. You were given the answer plenty of times, you just cbf taking the time to take it all in.

You should've just Googled/Wikied in the first place instead of expecting us to try and help you by reading through all your mindless crap.

Good day and I hope to god this thread gets locked.