Tualatin Celeron Overclocking

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Hmm, you "won"...38.50 is about average for the CPU, and the adapter cost $20 new from Upgradwares's U.S. retailer. But at least you didn't get ripped off, unless you're paying high shipping.

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I didn't know any other place to buy the thing from. Ebay was my first option. Well anyway, once I get these items in I'll keep you informed. Thanks Crash.

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
Upgradeware's site has a list of sellers, in the U.S. it's something like Stratton Computer, cost $20 plus $7 shipping. Just keep me updated on your progress, I'm here to help if you need it.

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BTW, eBay is always my LAST option.

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hahaha, yeah I know what ya mean, but I looked for upgradeware's site and I couldn't find it! Oh well, It's just as good, I'm still getting it. Anyways, would you think that a Geforce4 Ti4200 is a good combo with this processor? I'm getting one shipped to me and I thought that the 60-70 dollar difference between that and the 9500 Pro was a bit much, and I figured the Ti mathced more to my processor anyway. What do you think?

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
I'd say that a Ti4200 or 9500 Pro would be a perfect match for such a system. A lot of guys will disagree, but I believe Tom's VGA charts will show an XP1600+ (similar performance to a Celeron 1100@1466) makes fairly good use of such cards.

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Yeah, that's what I figured. Thanks Crash.

BTW, why would they disagree with the video card choice?

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
I hear all kinds of crap, mainly in the video card forum "Your CPU is too weak to push the card to its max" or whatever. Mainly bias, these guys don't want to know that they could have got similar gaming performance with a 9800XT on their "old" system as they do with their brand new system and an 9600 Pro, etc.

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Yes, Something in that range. I use a 9600pro on my Tualeron and am very happy with it.

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
BTW: 9600pro on Tualeron @1600/133FSB:
<A HREF="http://users.eastlink.ca/~southstboys/WImages/3Dmark2001.gif" target="_new">3Dmark2001</A>
<A HREF="http://users.eastlink.ca/~southstboys/WImages/3Dmark2003.gif" target="_new">3Dmark2003</A>
<A HREF="http://users.eastlink.ca/~southstboys/WImages/Aquamark3.gif" target="_new">AquaMark3</A>

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
Looks like I'm gonna have to post my 3dMark2001 score as well :) I'm sure mine will probably be in the 8,000 range.

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
After posting my 9600pro scores I became curious so I dropped in a 9800pro and ran some benchies as well.

3Dmark2001:
9600pro: 9225
9800pro: 10260

3Dmark2003:
9600pro: 3552
9800pro: 5335

Aquamark3 GFX:
9600pro: 2997
9800pro: 3372

Aquamark3 CPU:
9600pro: 4910
9800pro: 4470

Aquamark3:
9600pro: 22,966
9800pro: 24,483

It's weird how the Aquamark CPU score dropped so much with the 9800pro.

I only have 256mb ram in the system ATM, and the benchies were reading/writing to the HD all the time so I bet more memory would change things. I'll try and pick some up soon.

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
Do you think you'd see a big difference with 512MB Ram? I have 512MB PC133 CL2, hoping it'll go to PC150...

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
I think it'll be faster with more memory. The HD access light was lit up solid for most of the benchmarks. Hopefully I can still find some decent SDRAM.

BTW UT2003 benchmarks were exactly the same (+/-1%) on the 9600/9800.

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
BTW what kind of memory are you running? I'm using Kingmax BGA PC150, but the chips are actually 6ns, which is supposedly good for 166mhz (1000/speed in ns = speed in mhz).

<A HREF="http://users.eastlink.ca/~southstboys/WImages/PC150.jpg" target="_new">Click for pic</A>

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
Kingston PC133 CL2

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That's exactly it.

Also, what do you think of the DDR boards for P3s?

BTW, fixed the link. :)

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
That's some good memory - good price as well. It costs me about CDN$75 (US$55) for a 256mb stick of the PC150.

DDR boards for the P3 are crap. The processor FSB becomes the bottleneck, so you don't get any performance gain.

In fact because the VIA DDR chipsets (only PIII DDR chipsets) are so bad, you actually take a performance hit.

Also you can make your links clickable by putting a [url ] in front and a [/url ] at the end (without the spaces).

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
Cool, thanks.

I know the memory was a good deal! :) I got lucky.

So DDR Boards suck huh? Hmm...ok well the computer place I work at has a GIgabyte board with the APollo Pro266 chipset for DDR for sale. Just out of curiousity, is RDRAM any better for PIII? Or is PIII just stuck with SDR....

But what about the Pentium-M isn't that based off the PIII? I'm sure it gets a huge increase from DDR, but that's because the 400MHz FSB right? Is the FSB on it 100MHz with a Quad Data Rate or what?

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I also hope that SDRAM will OC to 150MHz....yet I also hope my CPU will get to 150MHz!

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
It's not only the memory bandwidth on those things that's bad, it's also the PCI bandwidth.

Dual PIIIs with the i820 chipset and RDRAM (don't try and use SDRAM on the i820 - it's buggy) do well - Sandra memory benchies in the ~2000 range, as opposed to our ~1000 SDRAM figures.

Yes, the P-M chipset have a 4x100FSB, so they work well with DDR.

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
Alright, got the Slot T and working at 133FSB at 1466MHz. I get a LOWER score in SiSoft Sandra!

I had:

Arithmetic 5010/2186
Multimedia 14237/16789

and now

Arithmetic 4585/2000
Multimedia 13033/15317

hmmm....now is there a way to get 150FSB? How can I now that my Slot-T is at max at 133 and my BIOS doesn't allow anything past 133?

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
however, I go from 1302 3dMarks to 1354! So there's an improvement! :)

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
The sandra scores don't change much with memory bandwidth - just raw CPU speed. As you've already found out the extra memory bandwidth helps out in real world applications 'tho.

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
I got to 140FSB but the system becomes incredibly unstable. I found out that my BIOS does give me up to 150FSB. At 150FSB I can't get past the BIOS screen even at 2 Volts! I think my system is a little too hot to handle that! Maybe I need a new HSF and Arctic Silver 5? Do you think that would fix it? Or do you think it's even heat related?

DFI TA64-B, Intel Celeron (Tualatin) 1.6GHz, ATI Radeon 7000 🙁, SoundBlaster Live! 5.1, Kingston 512MB PC133 SDRAM, Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache
 
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