TURION 64: TAKE TWO.

[9-inch]

Well, once more the good guys at Tech Report has done an amazing review about Turion Vs Pentium-M. This time, they've made a lot of corrections to their previous article. As many can see here, Pentium-M's performance is NOT astounding as how many Intel twats evangelize.

Earlier this week, we published an article comparing the Pentium M 760 to the Turion 64 ML-44. We have since discovered two problems with the tests, and we've revised the article to fix these issues.
First, due to an unusual confluence of events, the picCOLOR and WorldBench tests on the Pentium M 760 were inadvertently run without SpeedStep power management enabled. These tests have been rerun and the graphs updated with the new scores for the Pentium M. That means the revised article has new results for each of the WorldBench component tests, whether there has been significant change or not. The updates change the margin of victory in some cases, and in one case (the Worldbench Photoshop benchmark) the winning and losing positions swap between the two CPUs. Perhaps most notably, the WorldBench overall score moves from a tie to a three-point win for the Turion 64 ML-44. We have modified our benchmark commentary and the article's conclusions based on these new results.

Second, it was discovered that the MSI motherboard used to test the Turion 64 ML-44 incorrectly configures the upper voltage range for that processor at 1.5V instead of 1.35V. As a result, the "load" power consumption numbers for the Turion 64 were five watts higher than necessary. We've updated that graph, as well.

Read the whole thing here:
http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/9386

 

[dvdpiddy]

amen to that brother see even though intel procs are better on the mobile front and they still can beat the turion wait for next year for socket s1 i think its called the new mobile socket from amd then we could have a good grudge match 😀 and that the mobo was at fualt for higher wattage makes me feel better that the turion was not at fualt

 

[9-inch]

What's more interesting of all this stuff is that AMD is fighting with Intel in the mobile front with nothing, since current Turions aren't designed from day-1 to be mobile processors but still equal (and sometimes surpass) Intel's Pentium-M in power cnsumption and general performance (floating point performance is out of the question) and let's not forget it's a 64-bit chip also 8). The real contender from AMD will be a new core designed from the ground-up for the mobile segment under the Turion brand (or maybe something different).

Here are a few articles that can back up what I've said:

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175803862

We are evolving to what I'd say are a minimum of two brand-new core design points, new microarchitectures from the ground up. One is aimed at mobile computers and the very low-power space. Another is optimized for the high-end server space.

Another article:
http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=3517555B-858E-43B4-879F-8DEE516919E3

The company also intends to blaze a trail in mobile-computing markets by boosting processor efficiency enable seven-hour battery life in notebook computers.

The company's mobile focus includes a commitment to boost processor efficiency in order to extend battery power of notebook computers. This year, the company is "headed toward" enabling four-hour battery life in notebooks. The company expects to enable five hours of battery life next year and six hours or more by 2007, he said.

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...And this one (old news):
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2565

Hester also reaffirmed AMD's decision to produce a mobile-specific microprocessor architecture sometime in the future, much like what Intel did with the Pentium M. AMD is still probably years away from a shipping product, but the design teams are currently in a specification defining stage with regards to the project. So while Turion 64 today is hardly anything more than a rebadged Athlon 64 with a tweaked manufacturing process, there is continued support for Turion 64 to grow to be much different than its desktop counterpart.

 

[dvdpiddy]

like i said socket s1 is the new amd socket for mobill and since socket s1 will have its own architecture then ya it should pwn the intel oh and compare the turion 64 to the p4 m who pwns who now

 

[Heyyou27]

Quit with the anti Intel crap.

 

[Heyyou27]

He gets one AMD processor and pledges loyalty to them

 

[Ycon]

TR does amazing reviews? Theyre just as amazing as you are (not at all).

I hope that 1 day your wish comes true and you finally get an AMD Fanboy forum for you to post even more crap in.

 

[chuckshissle]

This is like intel vs amd round 5,000. Anyways turion is gonna be a good chip.

 

[9-inch]

There is no worst blind person than the one that sees the facts and still argue about it.
keep crying fan boy.

 

[Ycon]

Do you see anyone except of you post dumb fanboy topics all day?

Get a life, or an Intel, both will result in each other.

 

[9-inch]

Do you see anyone except of you post dumb fanboy topics all day?

I know you feel bad about this since you CAN'T post anything regarding Intel since THG do it for you. (Anyone remembered IntelZone) :lol: :lol: :lol:

Get a life, or an Intel, both will result in each other.

I have a life thanks of not having Intel.

 

[Ycon]

Congratulations, you just made less sense than you usually do, Captain obvious.

 

[luminaris]

Yeah, and AMD has made such a good life for you man. Posting baseless, uneducated, false fiction in these forums when we should all just get along and help each other.

I tell you what, you bring your best AMD machine forward and i'll beat it with my Intel machine. A challenge for such an idiot. Then we'll see who has real machine experience.

 

[Ycon]

He even says hes a computer science student (check his profile).
*lol* He must have went into some ornithology st00ph or summin by accident :lol:

 

[luminaris]

yeah well, I just can't stand it when these little AMD kids post crap all over these forums. Its ruining them big time.

 

[9-inch]

Yeah, and AMD has made such a good life for you man. Posting baseless, uneducated, false fiction in these forums when we should all just get along and help each other.

...And you still can't provide any links or proof to contradict me. :lol:
Untill then, you're just a bullshitter that loves to gives "personal thoughts" on something you like or dislike. :lol:

I tell you what, you bring your best AMD machine forward and i'll beat it with my Intel machine. A challenge for such an idiot. Then we'll see who has real machine experience.

8)

 

[Ycon]

What if we just ignore that prick?

 

[luminaris]

Because they're simply aren't any unbiased articles comparing the two processors that's why. I, unlike you, rely on hands on testing. Besides, let's face it, the AMD fan club, has to find the smallest little things to nitpick Intel with. The general concensus is, they're pretty equal.

 

[luminaris]

Nah, he won't go away. He's just a young kid who likes AMD and he chooses to push AMD in everybody's face. If he saw how this machine I have performs, he certainly would have second thoughts about Intel. And yes, this is a prescott core i'm using and so far, its run circles around any AMD machine I've had on the bench. I haven't even reached its real potential yet, i'm using cheap RAM and air cooling which are drawbacks.

I have a DFI AMD board here. I've ordered an opteron 170 chip that of which i'm gonna drop in it. I'll post specs of these two machines once I get it setup. I can tell you already however, it will be fairly close.

 

[dvdpiddy]

What if we just ignore that prick?

what if we ignore you mr intel plant

 

[K8MAN]

Nah, he won't go away. He's just a young kid who likes AMD and he chooses to push AMD in everybody's face. If he saw how this machine I have performs, he certainly would have second thoughts about Intel. And yes, this is a prescott core i'm using and so far, its run circles around any AMD machine I've had on the bench. I haven't even reached its real potential yet, i'm using cheap RAM and air cooling which are drawbacks.

I have a DFI AMD board here. I've ordered an opteron 170 chip that of which i'm gonna drop in it. I'll post specs of these two machines once I get it setup. I can tell you already however, it will be fairly close.

Just out of curiousity what have you compared it to. I get to play with many Intel machines every day and to be honest in windows there is not much of a difference between any of them and mine @ home or my old AXP to be honest. The differences only show up in benchmarks and CPU limited situations.

 

[endyen]

The thing with laptops is you cant just put together a system according to your needs.
Personally, I think the turion is one of the most underrated chips out thier.
If you try to do an honest comparison, it would be imposible to find setups with close enough features for it to work.
Around home, it is easy to find an uber pentiumM setup. It will come with the best gfx and screen. It will have high end ram, and great onboard sound. It will cost a months wages. For $400 less, you can find a nice little turion unit. It will be less quality accross the board.
If the boss wants to shell out for that "cenrino technology" I'm a happy camper, but if that unit is coming out of my pocket, there just isn't $400. difference.

 

[endyen]

I'm guessing you are using a 5/6 divider, on your crappy memory.
So is that opty the 3rd or 4th chip you were supposed to get for that DFI Amd board? Me thinks it is time that you sh!t or got off the pot. Grab a venice 3200, it's about the same price as your chip. Give it the ram and hsf( Amd ver) that your scotty has.
If it wont clock to 2660, you are doing something wrong. At that speed, you will give your scotty a fair beating, and you will feel the difference in temp, in that room.
That is reality, face it.

 

[K8MAN]

I'm guessing you are using a 5/6 divider, on your crappy memory.
So is that opty the 3rd or 4th chip you were supposed to get for that DFI Amd board? Me thinks it is time that you sh!t or got off the pot. Grab a venice 3200, it's about the same price as your chip. Give it the ram and hsf( Amd ver) that your scotty has.
If it wont clock to 2660, you are doing something wrong. At that speed, you will give your scotty a fair beating, and you will feel the difference in temp, in that room.
That is reality, face it.

Just make sure you get @ least 2 gig's of RAM in there or windows will not have sufficient memory to run properly. My gf's AXP setup multitasks like a champ with 2 gig's of RAM as apposed to the 1 it normally runs with. It makes a big diff on the A64 as well.