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An neither is X38 because by the time its out, 780i SLi will be out.
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First let me correct myself X38 not P38. I can understand why you like The 680i, from what I have seen it is a nice overclocker. I'm just saying that Bearlake offers better future proofing. Now when the 780i comes out it may be the best overclocker out there but it doesn't exist yet. My view, which is only my view, buying the 680i now is a lot like buying early generations if the 775 boards. They were all supposed to be perfect upgrades to the incoming chips and then you find out that this or that isn't quite right and your saying "gee I could have had a V8". Now I wouldn't expect you to upgrade your system if you have a 680i board, unless you had a pressing need. If I was you I would ride that machine into 2008 and get the all smoothed out 780i, since SLI is so important to you. Along with that, get the Penryn of your choice. I was speaking about the individual that needed a board when the chip prices drop. If they don't have a burning desire for SLI, then the P35 is the prudent purchase, because it has the latest chipset. That's all and no more.
 
The following notice appears on Newegg's specs for the DS3:

"Notice: Only DDR2-800 memory supporting JEDEC approved 1.8V operation with timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 is supported on Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets"

So, given that the OP is asking about memory that specs at 2.2V, why are people saying it will work?
 
An neither is X38 because by the time its out, 780i SLi will be out.
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First let me correct myself X38 not P38. I can understand why you like The 680i, from what I have seen it is a nice overclocker. I'm just saying that Bearlake offers better future proofing. Now when the 780i comes out it may be the best overclocker out there but it doesn't exist yet. My view, which is only my view, buying the 680i now is a lot like buying early generations if the 775 boards. They were all supposed to be perfect upgrades to the incoming chips and then you find out that this or that isn't quite right and your saying "gee I could have had a V8". Now I wouldn't expect you to upgrade your system if you have a 680i board, unless you had a pressing need. If I was you I would ride that machine into 2008 and get the all smoothed out 780i, since SLI is so important to you. Along with that, get the Penryn of your choice. I was speaking about the individual that needed a board when the chip prices drop. If they don't have a burning desire for SLI, then the P35 is the prudent purchase, because it has the latest chipset. That's all and no more.

P35 is a bad choice, because DDR3 is worthless and it doesnt have any of the features that the X38 has, such as PCIe 2.0.
680i SLi is NOTHING like the first 775 boards, because it will support Wolfdale and all the other 45nm CPUs.
But why does that matter? I can just buy a Q6600 for 266$ and overclock it to 3.2Ghz on air. Later on, I can just buy extreme cooling and overclock it to 4.2Ghz for the same price as buying a new Yorksfield.
 
No, dude.
From Intel's Own Website
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No, dude.
This is from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Penryn
I just saw this response from you. So I quote Intel that clearly states that all the chips are included in the Penryn family and you come back with a quote from Wiki :?: That is laughable :roll:

Yeh, thats me, mister laughable :roll:

Intel's site is knows to have outdated facts. Whether this is the case or not? I know that that page gets updated regularly and in any case, the naming doesn't actually mean anything to me.
 
Intel's site is knows to have outdated facts. Whether this is the case or not? I know that that page gets updated regularly and in any case, the naming doesn't actually mean anything to me.
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First, Wiki is known to not to be trustworthy in many cases, and if Intel doesn't know what their own naming scheme is then who the hell does :?: It is, after all, their naming scheme. :!: Second, you were the one that felt it necessary to correct me for calling the desktop chips collectively Penryns not the other way around.

P35 is a bad choice, because DDR3 is worthless and it doesnt have any of the features that the X38 has, such as PCIe 2.0.
680i SLi is NOTHING like the first 775 boards, because it will support Wolfdale and all the other 45nm CPUs.
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I already explained to you that there are P35 boards out there that will accept DDR2 now and DDR3 down the road when it becomes cheaper and more effective, assuming that it does. So far I don't believe that pcie2.0 is even an issue as far as any need for the increased bandwidth and I can still plug the PS into the Video card. As far as your claims that the 680i will support Wolfdale and all other Penryns is, to my understanding, not supported by any actual testing. Therefore the claim is just that, a claim and nothing more.

Edit: When the X38 is available then that will be the board to have. Now the board to have is the P35.

But why does that matter? I can just buy a Q6600 for 266$ and overclock it to 3.2Ghz on air. Later on, I can just buy extreme cooling and overclock it to 4.2Ghz for the same price as buying a new Yorksfield.
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That's fine, overclock away. It this point in time only a fool would buy tech that has been superceded. But you are right it really doesn't matter, buy and run whatever makes you happy. But don't try to push your flawed logic on me and expect me to accept it without question.
 
I already explained to you that there are P35 boards out there that will accept DDR2 now and DDR3 down the road when it becomes cheaper and more effective, assuming that it does.
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Wow, thank you for explaining that, I now see the light.
What u dont seem to understand (and im sure ive said this many times already), is that there is no reason to have RAM at a speed of above 1200Mhz, because the FSB cannot be overclocked to above 600Mhz.
So, since the bandwidth of 1200Mhz dual-channel saturates a 600Mhz FSB, if u have DDR3-1333 RAM, u will see worst performance because of the higher latency.
Not to mention that even if the motherboard could do 700Mhz FBS or more, it still means that u would have to throw away ur DDR2.
As far as your claims that the 680i will support Wolfdale and all other Penryns is, to my understanding, not supported by any actual testing. Therefore the claim is just that, a claim and nothing more.
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How dare u accuse me of being wrong? You have no respect.
I say that 680i will support 45nm CPUs, because thats what nVidia says.

Edit: When the X38 is available then that will be the board to have. Now the board to have is the P35.
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Here, I'll you to respond to urself.
"That claim is just that, a claim and nothing more."
If u think that X38 will be better than 780i SLi, then u shouldnt even be giving advice, cause all u have are fact-less opinions.



In this point in time only a fool would buy tech that has been superceded.
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You cant actually be this dumb. You just cant.
Superceded? So im a fool if I buy anything buy the newest technology?
You're saying that if I dont buy wolfdale, then I am a fool because I dont upgrade my CPU every 3 months?
The only difference between Wolfdale and Conroe is higher clock speeds, and slighly better performance per clock cycle. But even if the difference was huge, it would still never compete with my 4.2Ghz Q6600.

You sir, are a complete idiot.
 
it would still never compete with my 4.2Ghz Q6600.

You sir, are a complete idiot.
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hmm 4.2 q6600 id like a link to verify that please. and is that 24/7 cause id also like to see it 24hr prime stable 4 instances. please prove me wrong
 
My new Asus P5K is sweet! It is quite inexpensive ($150 bucks Canadian) and seems solid, supporting 1333FSB and DDR2, plus the new 45nm multi-core CPUs (Intel 05B/05A/06 processors).
I get 2.667GHz easily, and nice low temperatures with all default/stock voltages :)
But it does have only one PCI-E x16...
Which is all that I require 😀
Regards
 
Wow, thank you for explaining that, I now see the light.
What u dont seem to understand (and im sure ive said this many times already), is that there is no reason to have RAM at a speed of above 1200Mhz, because the FSB cannot be overclocked to above 600Mhz.
So, since the bandwidth of 1200Mhz dual-channel saturates a 600Mhz FSB, if u have DDR3-1333 RAM, u will see worst performance because of the higher latency.
Not to mention that even if the motherboard could do 700Mhz FBS or more, it still means that u would have to throw away ur DDR2.
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What did you not understand about using DDR2 with the P35 and waiting to see if the DDR3 became viable and cost effective. It amazes me how you could actually post what I said and then immediately distort it.

How dare u accuse me of being wrong? You have no respect.
I say that 680i will support 45nm CPUs, because thats what nVidia says.
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That's a joke right :?: I didn't accuse you of being wrong, I accused you of making judgments based on the claims of a manufacturer with absolutely nothing to base it on other than their word. By the way I have, in an earlier post, said that the 680i probably does work with Penryn. The question is how well it accomplishes this, and how much grief one might have to go through to make this happen. Really, check my earlier post. This certainly wouldn't be the first time that a manufacturer distorted reality to suit themselves, and I can assure you it wouldn't be the last. I'm not even saying they did, but we don't really know do we?

Here, I'll you to respond to urself.
"That claim is just that, a claim and nothing more."
If u think that X38 will be better than 780i SLi, then u shouldnt even be giving advice, cause all u have are fact-less opinions.
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Actually, here I was agreeing with you that the X38 should be a better board then the P35. And, as you said, we don't even know if the 780i will be available when the X38 is released. Please check the previous posts again. I will certainly back the 780i when it comes out if it proves to be better than the X38. However this is all conjecture. What I am saying is that the P35 is out now and it is currently my board of choice because it has the latest chipset and from the testing that I have seen so far appears to perform the best, SLI aside.

You cant actually be this dumb. You just cant.
Superceded? So im a fool if I buy anything buy the newest technology?
You're saying that if I dont buy wolfdale, then I am a fool because I dont upgrade my CPU every 3 months?
The only difference between Wolfdale and Conroe is higher clock speeds, and slighly better performance per clock cycle. But even if the difference was huge, it would still never compete with my 4.2Ghz Q6600.
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I knew that you would give me grief over that comment. Let me flush that comment out for you a little bit. Again you should check my previous post when I said if you had a 680i, I would recommend that you ride that into 2008 and get the 780i after it had been all smoothed out and match it with a nice Penryn. Do you remember that? Go back and check, it's right there in black and white. So obviously I don't believe that everyone should throw away what they have in order to get the latest technology no matter how viable their current machine is. I don't even believe that everyone that doesn't buy the latest tech is necessarily a fool. I know I should have written a paragraph instead if a sentence, but this whole thing is getting a bit tedious. I am well aware that there are a lot of considerations when purchasing equipment e.g., how much one can afford, the purpose of the build etc. However given that there are no cost considerations and being concerned with the best equipment available, which is really what this entire discussion has been about, it would be foolish, assuming that you were in the market for new hardware and had the money to spend, to buy old technology after the release of new technology, that has been tested to be better. Additionally when this new Technology was released to be compatible with the upcoming CPUs.
You sir, are a complete idiot.
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Name calling :?:

Weak :!:
 
the next p3x will just have like SLI capabilities right?
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No, dude :lol:

The P35 and X38 chipsets are made by Intel. nVidia makes the SLI chipsets, and they have every reason to keep SLI to themselves because it's a major competitive advantage for their chipsets. Don't expect Intel chipsets to support SLI, since nVidia won't help them. They can probably even prevent them, by legal means, from adding SLI support.
 
The following notice appears on Newegg's specs for the DS3:

"Notice: Only DDR2-800 memory supporting JEDEC approved 1.8V operation with timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 is supported on Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets"

So, given that the OP is asking about memory that specs at 2.2V, why are people saying it will work?
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I've already ordered it and it's due to arrive this friday, should I try it and see if it works or send back straight away? not sure if it would void the warranty to try it.

Thanks anyway.
 
Someone here with far more overclocking experience than I might best answer that for you; someone who claims it will work, for example. You may need to jump through a hoop or two, like boot to BIOS with only one stick installed and up the RAM voltage, or some such before installing the second stick.
 
P965 boards are just fine and a few OC like nobody's business, like the Gigabyte DS3.

@ Track,

It is OK to recommend something but your recommendation does not make it better. 680i > P965 only if you care about SLI. I don't care about SLI and my ASUS P5B-E OC's extremely well and cost half or less than a 680i board.

my .02
 
Someone here with far more overclocking experience than I might best answer that for you; someone who claims it will work, for example. You may need to jump through a hoop or two, like boot to BIOS with only one stick installed and up the RAM voltage, or some such before installing the second stick.
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Ok, here is a link to the article.

Bjorn3d.com - Crucial Ballistix 2GB PC2-8500
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read_pf.php?cID=1107
 
Someone here with far more overclocking experience than I might best answer that for you; someone who claims it will work, for example. You may need to jump through a hoop or two, like boot to BIOS with only one stick installed and up the RAM voltage, or some such before installing the second stick.
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Ok, here is a link to the article.

Bjorn3d.com - Crucial Ballistix 2GB PC2-8500
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read_pf.php?cID=1107

My RAM is 6400 not 8500, are you lot mistaken maybe?
When it arrives I'll give it a go then, and try the one stick two stick trick someone mentioned if it fails to boot.

Whats the worst that could happen? Fails to boot right?
 
My RAM is 6400 not 8500, are you lot mistaken maybe?
When it arrives I'll give it a go then, and try the one stick two stick trick someone mentioned if it fails to boot.

Whats the worst that could happen? Fails to boot right?
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You're right, my mistake. They are both 2.2v which was the concern if I read it correctly.
 
P35 > 680i > 975X > P965
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Think it should be more like:

P35 > 965 > 975/680i > 680i/975

975s have a rather large problem in that RAM frequency can't reach more than about 470MHz on half the boards. I had a 680i and it was so flaky it was unreal, the unlinked memory didn't work properly, etc. The P5B deluxe I have now is unbelievable. Could be a touch more NB voltage available, but apart from that, CPU and RAM both overclock to kingdom come and it likes tight timings on the RAM as well.
 
it would still never compete with my 4.2Ghz Q6600.

You sir, are a complete idiot.
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hmm 4.2 q6600 id like a link to verify that please. and is that 24/7 cause id also like to see it 24hr prime stable 4 instances. please prove me wrong

I would like to see that too! Methinks Track is full of sh*t. Sad to think I don't have enough time to correct all the FUD and misinformation he is spreading on the forum.
 
Wow, thank you for explaining that, I now see the light.
What u dont seem to understand (and im sure ive said this many times already), is that there is no reason to have RAM at a speed of above 1200Mhz, because the FSB cannot be overclocked to above 600Mhz.
So, since the bandwidth of 1200Mhz dual-channel saturates a 600Mhz FSB, if u have DDR3-1333 RAM, u will see worst performance because of the higher latency.
Not to mention that even if the motherboard could do 700Mhz FBS or more, it still means that u would have to throw away ur DDR2.
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What did you not understand about using DDR2 with the P35 and waiting to see if the DDR3 became viable and cost effective. It amazes me how you could actually post what I said and then immediately distort it.


Ok, in light of this comment I'm not going to be continuing this discussion because u obviously arent listening to a word I say.

Its not about how expensive DDR3 is, its about the FSB.
The FSB can only go up to 600Mhz, so buying RAM over 1200Mhz is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS on the P35 motherboard because it can only get it's FSB up to 600Mhz.
 
I'm with ya track. The tech just hasnt caught up to the speeds of ddr3, not to mention there is more benefit from tight timings than raw mhz. Anyway, ya'll gotta stop giving him such a hard time over nothing, a simple google find will tell you he's correct.
 
Ok, in light of this comment I'm not going to be continuing this discussion because u obviously arent listening to a word I say.

Its not about how expensive DDR3 is, its about the FSB.
The FSB can only go up to 600Mhz, so buying RAM over 1200Mhz is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS on the P35 motherboard because it can only get it's FSB up to 600Mhz.
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im still waiting for the proof of your 4.2 Quad track

oh and whilst i agree regarding uses of ddr3 atm it is possible to run memory at a higher ratio then 1:1 thus using your memory to its full capacity. by increasing your memory ratio you can increase the bandwidth of the memory and certain programs prefer this over tight timings and running in 1:1 therefore there is a use it just depends on what your going to be using it for.
 
Ok, in light of this comment I'm not going to be continuing this discussion because u obviously arent listening to a word I say.

Its not about how expensive DDR3 is, its about the FSB.
The FSB can only go up to 600Mhz, so buying RAM over 1200Mhz is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS on the P35 motherboard because it can only get it's FSB up to 600Mhz.
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im still waiting for the proof of your 4.2 Quad track


Then you need your eyes checked.

I never said I had a 4.2Ghz, I have no idea what you are talking about.
I said earlier that in theory, it would be better to buy a Q6600 now and overclock it to 3.2Ghz, then instead of buying the 45nm version of the Q6600 later on, buy extreme cooling instead wich will allow u to overclock the Q6600 to 45nm speeds, i.e. around 4.2Ghz.
 
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