U.S. Gov't Staying Out of Google and China Issue

[rooket]

[citation][nom]seriousazn[/nom]Well...why are we buttraping Iraq when we can't even help China?...I saw redirect our funds to better innovations =/[/citation]

Because of the UK which I am kinda sick to the stomach that we are even allied with that POS country. Iraq supplies oil to the UK, which it does not to the US. We get most of our oil from Alaska and Venezuela. And a little tiny bit from Iran (about 1% as far as I recall).

 

[pug_s]

Voice of America? Isn't that a US government funded media? If we started to quote from them, we are no better than Chinese Media.

 

[twu]

[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]The US government doesn't care about freedom of speech at all, that's just something people think they have in the US. There's no such thing as freedom of speech. There is only what you can say, and what you can't say.[/citation]

I agree, I hope people starts open up their eyes. Look around. it starts slowly taking our freedom away. If a person say; I think I have a bomb or I have a bomb, that person will get lock up. Freedom of speech?

Every country has their own law. Each family has their own rules.Each person believe something different, like religions. We all need to respect each other.
We only can encourage them to change and hope one day they change. But we can not use force. We are no different to barbarian if we use force.

Life is priceless, every revolution causes lives. I consider an evil act when any action causes lives.

 

[DalaiLamar]

Meanwhile, the NSC is stealthily doing sweeps of American's computers.

 

[Kelavarus]

[citation][nom]xxsk8er101xx[/nom]Our economy belongs to China, Our debt belongs to China, Our resources belong to China, and everything made belongs to China. China owns the United States. I said OWNS. All china has to do is squeeze and the United States crumbles.[/citation]

Oh SHIT. All our base are belong to China!

 

[enforcer22]

[citation][nom]twu[/nom]I agree, I hope people starts open up their eyes. Look around. it starts slowly taking our freedom away. If a person say; I think I have a bomb or I have a bomb, that person will get lock up. Freedom of speech?Every country has their own law. Each family has their own rules.Each person believe something different, like religions. We all need to respect each other.We only can encourage them to change and hope one day they change. But we can not use force. We are no different to barbarian if we use force.Life is priceless, every revolution causes lives. I consider an evil act when any action causes lives.[/citation]


I can see you have a full grasp on what freedom of speech means. Telling people you have a bomb is a idiotic example. Of course they are going to get locked up. the idiot has a fukin bomb ffs. they wont lock you up for saying i think i have a bomb unless you actualy have one. threats and talking about what you have thats illegal defanitly going to get you in jail. Its not the failure of freedom of speech you dolt its some ass hats actualy do that its protecting people from the dumb ass that really has a damn bomb.

privacy is the major freedom that was taken away with this patriot bs. purly illegal. the people who put it into inactment should serve major time.

 

[randomizer]

[citation][nom]EnFoRceR22[/nom]they wont lock you up for saying i think i have a bomb unless you actualy have one.[/citation]
Actually they could. That's still possibly considered a thread, depending on which corrupt judge you talk to.

 

[omnimodis78]

[citation][nom]doc70[/nom]fellows, it's all about money. In GM and AIG cases, it's about the money the various senators and congressmen could have lost in funding from the same corporations were they to uphold the same principle (non-interference). In China's case, the money is being held by the Chinese, so go figure.Not quite; selling property does not mean selling the country. The geographical placement of the property is a unique feature and one can not take a piece of US land and move it to China if one decides that they want to withdraw their business at some point. If all the Chinese decide to buy California, that doesn't mean that California becomes Chinese territory. It's not as easy as that. As far as the decision making... you're right.[/citation]
You are wrong about the California matter. Selling property and territory are two very different things. Alaska was purchased from the Russia, the state of Louisiana was purchased from France, etc. The fact that these territories were not originally inside the political borders of said nations is a non-issue, since territories are under the legal jurisdiction of whatever nation owns them, this is why you see American flags in Alaska, amongst other things American.

 

[twu]

[citation][nom]EnFoRceR22[/nom] privacy is the major freedom that was taken away with this patriot bs. purly illegal. the people who put it into inactment should serve major time.[/citation]

I could have posted a better example. I'm glade that you see something better than nothing. Keep looking you will find more.

Capitalism, take a look at the new laws is in place and what was happened in the past year. Look who is being the biggest mafia.

Freedom of choice, within months away this will take away from our health care choice.

For those of you who never lived in a socialism world before, it's difficult for you to see them.

 

[beayn]

[citation][nom]nicodemus_mm[/nom]GM and AIG, among others, were "business matters" and it never even crossed this administration's mind that maybe they should butt out. I guess in that case they stood to gain too much power to just leave it alone.[/citation]

Those companies directly affect the american economy and american jobs so the goverment had to intervene to try to save those jobs and keep the economy from crashing harder than it did. Google pulling out of China doesn't really affect americans.

 

[Marcus Yam]

[citation][nom]pug_s[/nom]Voice of America? Isn't that a US government funded media? If we started to quote from them, we are no better than Chinese Media.[/citation]
The difference in this case is that we at Tom's Hardware are not adopting the opinion the U.S. government -- we're simply reporting on its stance on the matter.

Given that we are relaying the U.S. government's position, would it not be suitable that it comes from the source itself?

 

[gurboura]

People tend to forget that if GM and AIG went under we'd be alot worse shape, not to mention losing tens of thousands of jobs at one time, then constantly losing more jobs from other companies that rely on GM going under. Let's not forget the amount of money that is paid by GM in taxes and other areas.

 

[nebun]

about time the US keeps it's nose out of other people's business

 

[ch42832n]

I think it is better for the gov't stay out of this matter as they can only make it worst. I'm confident that Google can handle it one way or the other.

 

[gmcboot]

[citation][nom]winner4455[/nom]You know, you don't want to go the bad side of a nuclear superpower...[/citation]

Ummm you do realize that we are the worlds largest Nuclear Super power.

 

[gmcboot]

[citation][nom]xxsk8er101xx[/nom]Our economy belongs to China, Our debt belongs to China, Our resources belong to China, and everything made belongs to China. China owns the United States. I said OWNS. All china has to do is squeeze and the United States crumbles.[/citation]

You know, this is so funny that people think that China "owns" the US. Here's a question. What do they do if we don't pay. It's not like they can come and get us. The threat of, the Chinese Military is a joke. Why, because they cannot start a war with the US become neither side would win. Yes they have overwhelming numbers, but we still have a better military man to man AND better equipment. Fact is as soon as they land on any soil owned by the US it would be over for both sides and both sides know it.

Secondarily, if our economy goes in the shitter so does theirs. They are tied so closely to the US that they need us as much as we need them. If they cut us off from their manufacturing.. so what. What do they make that we cannot. Nothing. Not a damn thing. They can just do it cheaper because there are no laws protecting their workers, environment, or anything else. Not only can we feed ourselves, we can feed 40 percent of the rest of the world if it came down to it.

What it truly comes down to is politics and the part of the economy that the average person has not control over. The "virtual" money wall street tosses around to make themselves individually rich and screw 99.9 percent of the rest of the population.

If we want to talk about who is responsible for putting us in this hole with the Chinese. REPUBLICANS. Period. They control the financial purse strings for 8 years of the past decade. All those things happened under the control of George Bush. So before all the right wing nut jobs start screaming about liberals, look at your hero's.. Bush and Cheney, it was under their watch all this happened.

Lastly, for the moment, the US government shouldn't be involved. Why? Because Google is a global company and has the ability to shut down Chinese access to Google in a heartbeat. It will effect their bottom line but they have a choice, be at their mercy and support their policies and make more money, stand up and do the right thing and give them the finger. They have the same choice that ever company that deals with them, make money and swallow your pride and morality or give them the finger and do the right thing. China has no control over anything or any one above and beyond that.

 

[wildwell]

I disagree with China's 'great firewall,' but I agree with the US Govt's position to stay out of it.

 

[c0r3f1ght3r]

duh... cause there's no oil.

 

[Guest]

We don't know what the real cause of this Google vs China drama is. However I don't believe it's because of human rights or censorship at all. China has always been a place politically very repressive. It always takes notoriously tight control over media. If Google did care that much, they should not have entered Chinese market at the first place. After sleeping with Chinese government for years, for them to now suddenly claim their virginity/sainthood/martyrdom/championship for western values is dishonest and laughable. Google's behavior is very childish to say the least.

 

[tester24]

This is because China is buying up US debt, of course the US will not do anything. Hell Obama might as well be bending over taking one in the ass because of China. Hell I would have crumbed then let them own my country. It's like the movie art of war only with economics.

 

[swordknight]

Everyone is waaaay to paranoid here. This is not the matrix. This is not China. The right to threaten to bomb an airport was never guaranteed, the founding fathers built in some exceptions to the first amendment. It is excellent to have a healthy amount of suspicion, but you have to have basic trust for a democracy to function. If you don't trust those who YOU elect, then don't complain. Meanwhile, I'll live out my life "ignorant" of the thousands of purported government conspiracies. Have fun and play nice.

 

[vaughn2k]

Download a pirated copy of song and you will be charged with stealing and burglary.

Hack a national institution and you'll be having a big salary from the government.

And the rest of the world just watch.

 

[Guest]

It is US policy not to screw with the policy of countries without oil.

 

[Dave_69]

Wow, this is shocking. Uncle Sam is usually more than willing to interfere in places he was never meant to be, especially when there's taxes/tariffs to be gleaned.

 

[Dave_69]

@toalan: It's also the US policy to befriend countries with nukes, no matter what maniacal political ideology they may possess (Saudi, anyone?).