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ScrewySqrl
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[citation][nom]NeBuN[/nom]it's a shame ...our government needs to be restructured from ground up starting with the so called president...[/citation]
you keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.
The correct word you might suggest isn't Communism, but Kleptocracy might fit. I'd say Corporatocracy, except the Corps are being looted too.
you keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.
The correct word you might suggest isn't Communism, but Kleptocracy might fit. I'd say Corporatocracy, except the Corps are being looted too.
"accidentally" and "by mistake"? Yea, right. Just like there are 2 millions of people in jail for smoking weed, because the government knows that weed is bad for you and being a prison slave isn't...lol
[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]Where did you take the communist part? This is a police state, nothing to do with communism... Look at the UK if you want to know where this leads in 10 years and to George Orwell's 1984 to where it leads in 100+ years. Or, if we are lucky and avoid the worst pitfalls, it will look like Idiocracy!TSA, Patriot act, ICE (self proclamed intarwebz police), warrant less wiretapping, proposed FBI warrant less digital wiretapping etc.I never said that we were at that point. Just keep the possibility in mind. Fear mongering work both ways. Not only GOP/Fox -fear-> Sheeples. It should be educated* citizens -fear-> Government. *not many of those left in the good old US of A.[/citation]
I took the communist part from the people calling the U.S. communist on the first page of comments...
And what exactly is so wrong with the U.K.? I see a bunch of people happy with their health care laws and continually laughing at the U.S. for our refusal to change with the times.
You seem like a raving lunatic with the amount of "facts" you just spouted back to back.
I took the communist part from the people calling the U.S. communist on the first page of comments...
And what exactly is so wrong with the U.K.? I see a bunch of people happy with their health care laws and continually laughing at the U.S. for our refusal to change with the times.
You seem like a raving lunatic with the amount of "facts" you just spouted back to back.
[citation][nom]Sabiancym[/nom]I took the communist part from the people calling the U.S. communist on the first page of comments...And what exactly is so wrong with the U.K.? I see a bunch of people happy with their health care laws and continually laughing at the U.S. for our refusal to change with the times.You seem like a raving lunatic with the amount of "facts" you just spouted back to back.[/citation]
Health care has nothing to do with the police state. The health care system in the US is a joke. Anything thats not a single payers system is subpar.
Did it ever occurred to you that one doesnt have to be a crazy right wing Christian/Fox viewer to not like being filmed 24/7? The UK is a nice place if you like CCTV.
Health care has nothing to do with the police state. The health care system in the US is a joke. Anything thats not a single payers system is subpar.
Did it ever occurred to you that one doesnt have to be a crazy right wing Christian/Fox viewer to not like being filmed 24/7? The UK is a nice place if you like CCTV.
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[citation][nom]cptnjarhead[/nom]The way to control an OUT of control government "police state", is to read the constitution. Know your rights, act on them. Make officials accountable for not enforcing and abiding by the Constitution. Elect constitutional minded officials to office. No matter what religion, color, or sex you are, the Constitution is there to protect your rights and individual freedoms."We the People"[/citation]
Except "to protect the children" and "to combat terrorism" can be added to any law to get around that irritating constitution firewall. Those two phrases are the root passwords to the US.
Except "to protect the children" and "to combat terrorism" can be added to any law to get around that irritating constitution firewall. Those two phrases are the root passwords to the US.
[citation][nom]ScrewySqrl[/nom]you keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.The correct word you might suggest isn't Communism, but Kleptocracy might fit. I'd say Corporatocracy, except the Corps are being looted too.[/citation]
+1 for The Princess Bride reference...
+1 for The Princess Bride reference...
[citation][nom]NezzyMighty[/nom]Dear Toms: It’s discouraging to know that Tom’s decided to report the article, shape the idea of the article, and deliver the idea of the article to revolve around an injustice done to legitimate websites. .... Job well done.[/citation]
Your ignorance is disturbing. The government should get involved in protecting innocently ignorant people like you, but the problem is how they went to do it. You have obviously never been hurt by unintentional slander either. First, the government simply went ahead and took down a massive list of domains without any due process. No warnings, no justification. Second, when they made a mistake by taking down legitimate sites after branding them illegal for several days, they made no compensations to any damages done, and you can’t sue HMS. It’s about accountability for what they’ve done. They must recognize consequences when mistakes are done, for all the government’s power, if left unchecked, corruption is inevitable. If the end justifies the means, how much did they help compared to how much did they hurt? To them, if they don’t care about the repercussions, they can just ignore who they hurt.
As for damages, you can think this like in terms of hours to repair to undo anything. For each site that was affected, each individual must contact their providers, hosts, staff, etc.… just to find out what’s going on. For each person they contact, they must also contact others. For each day the “banner” was shown on their website, how many people visited and saw it? How many emails must be sent? How many phone calls? This is no different than when a hacker hacks a website. This is just simply time lost, not including monetary loses or ones reputation due to libel. Have you ever been falsely accused of a crime you didn’t commit? Even if you have not been officially charged, the weight of simply being accused in public carries heavily with you for a long time. This is all about due process and accountability. If none of those was put into consideration, they can blunder, abuse, and take over anything, anyone, anytime.
Your ignorance is disturbing. The government should get involved in protecting innocently ignorant people like you, but the problem is how they went to do it. You have obviously never been hurt by unintentional slander either. First, the government simply went ahead and took down a massive list of domains without any due process. No warnings, no justification. Second, when they made a mistake by taking down legitimate sites after branding them illegal for several days, they made no compensations to any damages done, and you can’t sue HMS. It’s about accountability for what they’ve done. They must recognize consequences when mistakes are done, for all the government’s power, if left unchecked, corruption is inevitable. If the end justifies the means, how much did they help compared to how much did they hurt? To them, if they don’t care about the repercussions, they can just ignore who they hurt.
As for damages, you can think this like in terms of hours to repair to undo anything. For each site that was affected, each individual must contact their providers, hosts, staff, etc.… just to find out what’s going on. For each person they contact, they must also contact others. For each day the “banner” was shown on their website, how many people visited and saw it? How many emails must be sent? How many phone calls? This is no different than when a hacker hacks a website. This is just simply time lost, not including monetary loses or ones reputation due to libel. Have you ever been falsely accused of a crime you didn’t commit? Even if you have not been officially charged, the weight of simply being accused in public carries heavily with you for a long time. This is all about due process and accountability. If none of those was put into consideration, they can blunder, abuse, and take over anything, anyone, anytime.
For the greater good is always, always a question in matters of national interest/security. As much as you may want to ignore the this fact, it will always be present. Cutting taxes, expanding health care, cutting or increasing spending, almost anything the government does will affect some people positively, and other's negatively, that is a fact, and you cannot argue otherwise.
Now you cannot ignore this fact, and pretend like the people we elect for office should not ask them selfs if the means justify the end, or if something is really for the greater good. Because they do, and they do it in a daily basis. Obviously these decisions should not be taken lightly, and the perspective of the decision maker is the only one that will truly justify it. For example if you asked me the same question that someone posted above, about my son being captured by terrorist, I would tell you without a doubt that we should NOT kill the terrorist so that my son may live. That is my perspective, and your's, since my son is not your son, could be very, very different.
So people here saying that we are a police state, communist leaning, and etc, how dare you make these assumptions, while knowing NOTHING of the facts, NOTHING of the people involved, NOTHING of their motivations. STOP passing judgement by association, of people or ideas, STOP watching Fox News, and MSNBC, START reading more and making your own decisions based on FACTS. FACTS.
It is easy for you to bundle up all the people that choose to dedicate their lives for this country, as the "government", because all you have to do is criticize it, you don't have to answer to, or be responsible for anything. The matter of the fact is that people who are employed by the U.S government are just that, people, and like you and me they have believes and morals, some of them were elected by the people, some where not. To the elected officials, who after all are in charge, you own accountability, call, email, do anything you can to let that person know what you, and everyone you know (if thats the case), think of they job that they are doing, and if you nothing changes, guess what? Vote against them. But thats too hard, isn't it? Much easier is to sit on your computer and criticize EVERYONE that works for the government, and the government itself. Forget about the fact that the government is made of people what we the people elect.
Now you cannot ignore this fact, and pretend like the people we elect for office should not ask them selfs if the means justify the end, or if something is really for the greater good. Because they do, and they do it in a daily basis. Obviously these decisions should not be taken lightly, and the perspective of the decision maker is the only one that will truly justify it. For example if you asked me the same question that someone posted above, about my son being captured by terrorist, I would tell you without a doubt that we should NOT kill the terrorist so that my son may live. That is my perspective, and your's, since my son is not your son, could be very, very different.
So people here saying that we are a police state, communist leaning, and etc, how dare you make these assumptions, while knowing NOTHING of the facts, NOTHING of the people involved, NOTHING of their motivations. STOP passing judgement by association, of people or ideas, STOP watching Fox News, and MSNBC, START reading more and making your own decisions based on FACTS. FACTS.
It is easy for you to bundle up all the people that choose to dedicate their lives for this country, as the "government", because all you have to do is criticize it, you don't have to answer to, or be responsible for anything. The matter of the fact is that people who are employed by the U.S government are just that, people, and like you and me they have believes and morals, some of them were elected by the people, some where not. To the elected officials, who after all are in charge, you own accountability, call, email, do anything you can to let that person know what you, and everyone you know (if thats the case), think of they job that they are doing, and if you nothing changes, guess what? Vote against them. But thats too hard, isn't it? Much easier is to sit on your computer and criticize EVERYONE that works for the government, and the government itself. Forget about the fact that the government is made of people what we the people elect.
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This is only the beginning... stay tune!
I only hope that this is a mistake that will never occur again,
)... What in the hell i blubber about!
Goodbye democracy ( if you really existed), be prepared for the corporate dominion.. There is nothing about politics, right ,left( this is BS)... is about money, control, power.
These things have never changed over the human history, have changed only the ways to achieve these things. Today we testimony the advent of corporates greed over humans. Just enjoy.
And don't react and think... as always. Don't forget to pray... maybe some miracle happens.Or maybe not!
Ah.. Nebun is not English native (US or whatever). Nebun is Romanian for crazy.
I only hope that this is a mistake that will never occur again,
)... What in the hell i blubber about! Goodbye democracy ( if you really existed), be prepared for the corporate dominion.. There is nothing about politics, right ,left( this is BS)... is about money, control, power.
These things have never changed over the human history, have changed only the ways to achieve these things. Today we testimony the advent of corporates greed over humans. Just enjoy.
And don't react and think... as always. Don't forget to pray... maybe some miracle happens.Or maybe not!
Ah.. Nebun is not English native (US or whatever). Nebun is Romanian for crazy.
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[citation][nom]NezzyMighty[/nom]All who blogged: If you were a parent, you would see the wrong in the ways you have expressed anger in this news post.[/citation]I am a parent and I do not believe the opinions expressed in any of my posts are wrong at all.
[citation][nom]NezzyMighty[/nom]The US took down child pornographic sites. Sure in the meanwhile, took down others by mistake. So what the mistake took down legitimate sites. So what some damage was done. The damage is not permanent. It will be temporary and easily repaired. In a few weeks/months no one will remember or even care whether the legitimate sites went down. Is the sacrifice of 1 website by mistake for a couple of days more relevant than taking down child pornographic sites? Is the sacrifice of 2 websites too many? Is the sacrifice of 100,000 too many?[/citation]Yes, the sacrifice of any legitimate website taken down in the name of protecting the children is wrong on so many levels. If your house had rats, would you burn down the house to get rid of them? Of course not! You do not stop the proliferation of child pornography but shutting down websites that were not engaged in illegal activity. Legitimate websites were shutdown due to incompetence, the type of incompetence that has been demonstrated by your lack of critical thinking. Government has proven over and over again that it can not be trusted to do more than the powers delegated to it in the Constitution.
[citation][nom]NezzyMighty[/nom]Come on people, where is your wisdom? Where are your morals? The protection of the children is more important than some website. What if the government didn’t care, and it was your child?US Government (+1). Thank you for taking down the child pornography, and protecting our children, which is paramount. Job well done.[/citation]Not to be too presumptuous, but your posts eludes to you as being the type of person that actually believes that the Government and our elected officials know what is better for us then we do. Hiding behind the call to protect the children to bolster your argument is a cowardly move and is reprehensible. My wisdom and morals are derived from common sense, a belief in the fellowship of Man, and a desire to ensure that justice is meted to those who deserve to be punished and certainly does not include an all or nothing approach to punishing the innocent along with the guilty. Where are your morals and wisdom derived from?
Seemingly, what you fail to realize, while hiding behind the call to protect the children, is the loss of income and legitimacy of those websites that were wrongly taken down. It is not far fetched to think that some of those websites may lose business and/or revenue as a result of an existing or potential customer mistakenly led to believe that that site was engaged in illegal activity. Where is the justice for those website owners? Where is the compensation for loss of revenue as a result of government failure? Also, something tells me that you did not even consider the larger repercussions of this event.
If you haven't already, read George Orwell's 1984.
The end does not justify the means.
[citation][nom]NezzyMighty[/nom]The US took down child pornographic sites. Sure in the meanwhile, took down others by mistake. So what the mistake took down legitimate sites. So what some damage was done. The damage is not permanent. It will be temporary and easily repaired. In a few weeks/months no one will remember or even care whether the legitimate sites went down. Is the sacrifice of 1 website by mistake for a couple of days more relevant than taking down child pornographic sites? Is the sacrifice of 2 websites too many? Is the sacrifice of 100,000 too many?[/citation]Yes, the sacrifice of any legitimate website taken down in the name of protecting the children is wrong on so many levels. If your house had rats, would you burn down the house to get rid of them? Of course not! You do not stop the proliferation of child pornography but shutting down websites that were not engaged in illegal activity. Legitimate websites were shutdown due to incompetence, the type of incompetence that has been demonstrated by your lack of critical thinking. Government has proven over and over again that it can not be trusted to do more than the powers delegated to it in the Constitution.
[citation][nom]NezzyMighty[/nom]Come on people, where is your wisdom? Where are your morals? The protection of the children is more important than some website. What if the government didn’t care, and it was your child?US Government (+1). Thank you for taking down the child pornography, and protecting our children, which is paramount. Job well done.[/citation]Not to be too presumptuous, but your posts eludes to you as being the type of person that actually believes that the Government and our elected officials know what is better for us then we do. Hiding behind the call to protect the children to bolster your argument is a cowardly move and is reprehensible. My wisdom and morals are derived from common sense, a belief in the fellowship of Man, and a desire to ensure that justice is meted to those who deserve to be punished and certainly does not include an all or nothing approach to punishing the innocent along with the guilty. Where are your morals and wisdom derived from?
Seemingly, what you fail to realize, while hiding behind the call to protect the children, is the loss of income and legitimacy of those websites that were wrongly taken down. It is not far fetched to think that some of those websites may lose business and/or revenue as a result of an existing or potential customer mistakenly led to believe that that site was engaged in illegal activity. Where is the justice for those website owners? Where is the compensation for loss of revenue as a result of government failure? Also, something tells me that you did not even consider the larger repercussions of this event.
If you haven't already, read George Orwell's 1984.
The end does not justify the means.
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[citation][nom]wribbs[/nom]There is a difference between Communism and Corporatocracy.This is definately some Egyptesq BS. Luckily our is run by our tech-illiterate grandparents so there isn't too much to fear as far as Internet takedowns.[/citation]
the only difference is in the names, other than that they are the same
the only difference is in the names, other than that they are the same
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I think the Department of Homeland Security needs to seize TV shows for being complete crap and killing your brain. That's where it starts. Oh, and they need to make more improvements to Facebook. That, and I still think AOL was the best thing to happen to the Internet, I wish it was still around.
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*sigh*....
The last thing you need is untrained monkeys running around raiding datacenters without knowing anything about the internet.
I hope they have to pay all of the people who were inconvenienced
The last thing you need is untrained monkeys running around raiding datacenters without knowing anything about the internet.
I hope they have to pay all of the people who were inconvenienced
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[citation][nom]chunkymonster[/nom]The last thing Big Brother is going to do is admit to any wrong doing. They are above reproach and prosecution.Another example of government incompetence. Another example of the continued push destroy American style Freedom and implement the International Nanny State. Since the 1960's the Liberals and Elites have slowly engineered America into becoming a 3rd world country. After all, you can not embrace political correctness and multiculturalism without first making America, the last bastion of Freedom and Individualism in the world, the same as every other 3rd rate country without first destroying the foundation of those Freedoms and the mechanism that allows the individual to succeed. Prepare now for the class/cultural war to come![/citation]
You do know liberals (aka liberty for all) are ppl that fight FOR liberty and freedom, right?
And the "elite" are called the rich (aka the REAL republicans).
You might want to get something called a DICTIONARY before pretending you know what the word mean moron.
You do know liberals (aka liberty for all) are ppl that fight FOR liberty and freedom, right?
And the "elite" are called the rich (aka the REAL republicans).
You might want to get something called a DICTIONARY before pretending you know what the word mean moron.
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[citation][nom]NeBuN[/nom]it's a shame ...our government needs to be restructured from ground up starting with the so called president...[/citation]
How do you start from the ground up restructuring but then start at the top with the president. Your statement was idiodic.
How do you start from the ground up restructuring but then start at the top with the president. Your statement was idiodic.
[citation][nom]NeBuN[/nom]try communist, lol....we fight to free other countries yet our own is falling deeper and deeper in the grasp of modern day communism[/citation]
I don't like to say this but in fact.... ppl won't have to worry about MPAA or RIAA in modern day communism and have equal human rights as long as u know what is the bottom line of treason and proof yourself useful. It's all about $$ (a.k.a awkward trust)
well... commu or demo... they are both haven to modern day asian monarchism. I live in place where monarchism rules and working my way out.
I don't like to say this but in fact.... ppl won't have to worry about MPAA or RIAA in modern day communism and have equal human rights as long as u know what is the bottom line of treason and proof yourself useful. It's all about $$ (a.k.a awkward trust)
well... commu or demo... they are both haven to modern day asian monarchism. I live in place where monarchism rules and working my way out.
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