Ubuntu 11.10 Review: Benchmarked Against Windows 7

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[citation][nom]aaab[/nom]I realize this. BD isn't a traditional 8 core and would be interesting to compare how it does on linux. Both linux and windows support way more than 8 cores, which is nothing new.[/citation]
As in Server CPU have been using 8 cores and more for a long long long time.
 
Give a regular person that email, compose texts and facebook all the remaining free time some Ubuntu, and they will install a ready to go system for free. it´s amazing! they will get a full system in minutes and without help from others, I ithink that is ubuntu´s proposal since the beggining. computer working out of the box for the masses, not gamers, not hardcore tweakers for benchmarks or complicated work, it´s just computer for the average human. I think they reached this goal aroung 8.04 (and shipped the damn cd for free to ALL THE WORLD). they deserve respect, and you are reading this from a 99% of the time windows user.
 
It's a very nice alternative if you're not into gaming. Being portable and totally free give it the edge for someone who only needs productivity tools and do a little web surfing. I would totally recommend it to anyone with an entry-level PC over Windows.
 
[citation][nom]rmpumper[/nom]If you did not notice, all of the 3 tested games are OpenGL which is barely supported in Win7. How about we see some DirectX9 10 and 11 games before making silly conclusions? And in any case, who gives a rat's ass about Doom3 - 7 year old awful game?[/citation]
It's called "MICROSOFT Direct X"...
That is why you will not likely see direct x running in Linux. Also, those games were chosen cause there is a Linux version (OpenGL) available. The reason gamers don't build and play on Linux boxes is because it indeed doesn't have direct x AND there needs to be a compatible version. It would be great though if we ALL did a mass exodus and just stopped using windows 100% then all games would be made for Linux and I'm sure a new gaming API would appear for linux and that would be the latest and greatest. (OR OpenGL would advance quickly and become better/more popular than DirectX) ... But that's not gonna happen.
 
[citation][nom]aaab[/nom]Sorry re read my comment, support isn't the correct word I was looking for. I'm going to rephrase 'Would be nice to see how well/poorly linux utilizes more cores vs windows.'[/citation]

Note the SGI Altix UV 1000: up to 2560 cores (ie. 256 x 10-core XEON E7 series), 16TB RAM, runs Suze
Linux Enterprise, RHEL and Windows Server 2008 R2, but Windows support is limited to a max of 256
cores. See:

http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/uv/specs.html
http://www.sgi.com/products/software/microsoft.html

Note it's a single combined system, not a cluster. SGI ported over the scalability features from IRIX
a few years ago which already supported 1024 CPUs. It's taking longer to add the same level of
scalability into Windows, but progress is well beyond a mere 8 cores.

Ian.

 
My biggest problem w/ Unity is that you can't get rid of the status bar. If you have any fullscreen apps, that top status bar stays overlaid on top of them. Damned annoying for MythTV and games...
 
[citation][nom]mapesdhs[/nom]Note the SGI Altix UV 1000: up to 2560 cores (ie. 256 x 10-core XEON E7 series), 16TB RAM, runs SuzeLinux Enterprise, RHEL and Windows Server 2008 R2, but Windows support is limited to a max of 256cores. See: http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/uv/specs.html http://www.sgi.com/products/software/microsoft.htmlNote it's a single combined system, not a cluster. SGI ported over the scalability features from IRIXa few years ago which already supported 1024 CPUs. It's taking longer to add the same level ofscalability into Windows, but progress is well beyond a mere 8 cores.Ian.[/citation]

lol wtf, put your e-peni away. We are talking about desktop hardware/software here. I'm not interested in enterprise hardware/software. I bet you don't have a 10-core XEON CPU in your desktop at home?

8 Cores are relatively new when it comes to the desktop market, the BD 8 core which hasn't stacked up well compared to the sandy-bridge I7 in windows may(or may not) prove differently in linux, specificly in ubuntu with real world benchmarks e.g. games, video encoding etc...
 
[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]Sorry but those benchmarks for games are almost pointless. They are old games and the only reason they run on Linux is due to OpenGL. I do wonder though why RAGE was not tested, as its OpenGL. Maybe it didn't work since its a much newer engine using a much newer OGL standard. Or maybe it just didn't show Ubuntu doing very well.Windows is still the king of games since the majority of the games out there are DX based, not OGL.And from my experience with Ubuntu, 11.04, the 64Bit version is not stable enough and its finicky with ATI GPUs. Had to buld a system for a customer and with 64Bit, it would just flicker as well on 32bit with a HD6450. Had to swap to a nVidia GT210 on 32Bit to get it stable. And then to enable multi monitor support, that was another nightmare. You still have to do everything via a shell prompt with the X (X meaning the GUI) disabled to install the drivers. And thats just the start, If it goes well, you are in business, if not you may just reboot to a shell prompt and no GUI. Or at least thats what happened to me. Had to reinstall Ubuntu over it to get the GUI then reinstall nVidias drivers. Luckilly third time was the charm and it worked.Ubuntu has its place, but for the majority of consumers its not the best option as it takes more technical knowledge to operate it efficiently. Windows is for the majority who just need a system to do what they need. Or Android.For now I will stick with Windows 7 and enjoy my games.I would have liked to see this done on an SSD too.I disagree. DX11 is actually faster than DX9, when coded properly. Its been shown. Add in the Tesselation, which DX9 cannot do, and its a great setup. Just wait till the games start doing it more in DX11. It will get better.[/citation]

If there is not any tests of RAGE on GNU/Linux is because there's no RAGE native client for GNU/Linux. It should be released this year.

As for the rest of your comment, if you don't know how to use GNU/Linux don't come here and start bashing at it, because the shell is not needed for configuring a multimonitor setup. Just launch NVIDIA control panel and that's all. AMD/ATI on GNU/Linux is a nightmare, yes, but that's AMD's fault, not the Linux kernel fault.
 
[citation][nom]aaab[/nom]Ok Firstly, why were you using such outdated hardware for these tests? Personally I would like to see how ubuntu does with the latest and greatest. I also think it would be very intersting to see how the bulldozer does in linux. Would be nice to see how well/poorly linux supports more cores.[/citation]
Already answered the first part a few comments up. I like the Bulldozer suggestion though, maybe check out the A8 for mobile, too. I'll see what I can do for 12.04.
 
[citation][nom]kenyee[/nom]My biggest problem w/ Unity is that you can't get rid of the status bar. If you have any fullscreen apps, that top status bar stays overlaid on top of them. Damned annoying for MythTV and games...[/citation]
I honestly don't see why it's necessary at all - 'system tray', anyone? That would have the added benefit of killing the global menu - and then maybe they can put the window controls back where they belong as well. Just sayin'.
 
[citation][nom]Filiprino[/nom]If there is not any tests of RAGE on GNU/Linux is because there's no RAGE native client for GNU/Linux. It should be released this year.As for the rest of your comment, if you don't know how to use GNU/Linux don't come here and start bashing at it, because the shell is not needed for configuring a multimonitor setup. Just launch NVIDIA control panel and that's all. AMD/ATI on GNU/Linux is a nightmare, yes, but that's AMD's fault, not the Linux kernel fault.[/citation]
I haven't tried in awhile, do the proprietary driver control panels make multi-monitor setups easy now?
 
[citation][nom]aaab[/nom]lol wtf, put your e-peni away. We are talking about desktop hardware/software here. I'm not interested in enterprise hardware/software. I bet you don't have a 10-core XEON CPU in your desktop at home? 8 Cores are relatively new when it comes to the desktop market, the BD 8 core which hasn't stacked up well compared to the sandy-bridge I7 in windows may(or may not) prove differently in linux, specificly in ubuntu with real world benchmarks e.g. games, video encoding etc...[/citation]

The implication from the earlier post was that Windows is poor for multi-core scaling. I was merely pointing out in a very
blunt manner that that's not true at all, though at the same time it's also true the scaling under Linux is still ahead. Don't
know what you mean by e-peni, I was merely giving example factual data; I don't care whether data relates to the desktop
world or not, data is just data to me.

I've been offered XEON systems of that type; turned them down, still too costly for me. But I do have a 36-CPU
Onyx3900, 24-CPU Onyx rack, 16-CPU Origin300, quad-CPU Onyx2, two quad-CPU Tezros, 990X PC, numerous
other i3/i5/i7 PCs and a mountain of other SGIs & PCs. Just because you're not familiar with enterprise hw doesn't
mean other people can't comment with reference to them.

I do agree with you though that it would be interesting to see how BD behaves with Liinux, but I doubt the results
would be any better than we've already seen with Windows. I don't regard BD as an 8-core chip anyway, its design
is too much of a compromise for that IMO. AMD can market it as an 8-core if they want, but they just look silly
when it can't even best a 2600K, or even its own old Ph2s or i7 920 for single-threaded.

Ian.

 
/Sigh

No desktop flexibility means Linux Mint = for me, (Lots of good OS's to choose from).

/Wave Ubuntu

 
[citation][nom]adamovera[/nom]I haven't tried in awhile, do the proprietary driver control panels make multi-monitor setups easy now?[/citation]

its been a gui with nvidia since
 
[citation][nom]sparau[/nom]its been a gui with nvidia since[/citation]

lol at html tag removal - less than 2007
 
[citation][nom]Hehe[/nom].ALL benchmarks on this kind must be accompanied with accurate profiling and an in-depth study of the fundamental causes of the differences[/citation]

In other words benchmarkers need to make excuses for underwhelming results so the fanboys don't get upset. Prime example being AMD bulldozer: windows scheduler, bad software, not enough threads etc...
 
You do realise that Ubuntu is not the only Linux distribution around? And in terms of speed, it is probably one of the slowest around.
 
It's very logical Windows to have edge on games, since NVidia and AMD make continious specific optimizations on their drivers for certain games. I believe the best invention for Microsoft and the worst idea for the world was DirectX. If there was continious development on OpenGL and OpenGL titles, now porting games would be a matter of months.
 
[citation][nom]mihaimm[/nom]Actually is good enough for 95% of users that work on their computer as opposed to play (stupid) games. And comparing Ubuntu (in general) with OS X is pure crazy.[/citation]

why is it crazy? OS X is also an operating system just as every GNU/Linux distribution or win is. You can definitely compare them.
 
No comparison of the installation process. OK few people install windows themselves - I haven't done it since ME days but then I haven't used windows on my own computer since then!
 
[citation][nom]Linux_G4M3R[/nom]Talking about the results, I think Ubuntu won it's own share of tests versus Windows 7. Unfortunately, I think Ubuntu is one of the worst Linux distros out there to be tested, and it doesn't represent what REAL Linux is.First of all, its kernel is really VERY unoptimized. Windows has a 300Hz tick ratio, whereas Ubuntu is configured with a more "server-alike" 100Hz tick ratio [try to use preemptible Ubuntu kernel with a 300Hz/1000Hz tick ratio (or CK's BFS) to see what's good for gaming and encoding/decoding tasks ;-) ]Secondly, it's known that using compositing affects the performance of gaming with NVidia cards+Linux combo. You can find that evidence in Phoronix (a linux-friendly benchmarking site).Finally, as Ubuntu is a 6-month release distro, and not a "rolling-release" one, some of their packages are already obsolete and might not reflect the performance of newer packages. So, as a suggestion for the next tests, I'd like to see some Linux vs Windows benchmarks with 2 different distros. One of them could be Ubuntu (as the worst-case scenario), the other one could be something more optimized like Arch Linux (I suggest ArchBang), Gentoo, or the more popular PCLinuxOS.Cheers[/citation]

you're right, but the rolling release distros (like archlinux etc.) are not for the general public. you see, they require you to read manuals and howto's and you need to know how to use your brains. Brains is something that most people do not have in possession, and only a small percentage of those who have brains know how to use them. :)

I guess they could have at least waited for the new ubuntu 12.04 release.
 
Last time I tried Gentoo it was a distro for those with a spare computer to use while Gentoo was compiling everything. How long does it take now?
 
INTEL CORE I5 almost tied, but ... What about an ATOM ... As you do with desktop resolutions try several.

LINUX IS BETTER IN OLD COMPUTERS

I use to recommend to the question what new laptop should I buy?; try ubuntu it costs nothing and it will do it as fast as new, and put Unity 2d if you want it faster.

Compare an Atom, perhaps a chromebook, with Chorme OS - SUSE based - Ubuntu and of course MS WOS 7 and let us know. And of course Ubuntu vs MS WOS at ARM processors. FAT32, NTFS ,vs EXT4 BTRFS and ZFS, encrypted /home/Documents vs encrypted /My Documents and at Intel i5 XEN VGA passthrougt virtualization in Linux for MS WOS vs native MS WOS and Ubuntu vs native Ubuntu, and any other virtualization system at MS WOS with MS WOS native vs virtualized and native ubuntu vs virtualized.

And also other Ubuntu desktops as Gnome shell - installed at ubuntu server - KDE - kubuntu-desktop, XFCE, Xubuntu desktop - fast as hell - openbox, fluxbox, razor qt, Pantheon - alpha - & E17.

An of course some directx games - those that work ok from the wine hq database - at wine vs native MS WOS and Xen VGA passthorught virtualization for MS WOS.

But perhaps this for the future Ubuntu Precise Pangolin vs MS WOS 8 article with of course some videos of look and feel for every desktop you test.





 
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